Anyone else enjoy the Repubs squirming on Obamacare replacement?

[MrSquished]

According to this article:
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/24/politics/house-health-care-vote/index.html?iid=hp-toplead-dom
The Freedom Caucus never got on board and each time the bill was modified for them more moderates jumped ship. Thus the dissent was on both the far right and the moderate republicans.

"the votes simply were not there to pass the bill and the leadership and the White House were headed for a lopsided defeat."

It sounds like there were very few left supporting it when the vote was pulled.

It seems like the more conservative side of the Republican party was pissed the new bill wouldn't screw enough people over to satisfy them.

My god if I didn't have enough contempt for the Republican party already.

 

[Vic]

What do you mean, I don't believe in God?
I talk to Him everyday.
What do you mean, I don't support your system?
I go to court when I have to.
What do you mean, I can't get to work on time?
I got nothing better to do.
And, what do you mean, I don't pay my bills?
Why do you think I'm broke? Huh?

If there's a new way,
I'll be the first in line.
But it better work this time.

What do you mean, I hurt your feelings?
I didn't know you had any feelings.
What do you mean, I ain't kind?
Just not to your kind.
What do you mean, I couldn't be the President
Of the United States of America?
Tell me something, it's still We the People, right?

If there's a new way
I'll be the first in line
But it better work this time.

 

[RaistlinZ]

In the meanwhile-

 

[JSt0rm]

best movie.

 

[chowderhead]

Republican voters have been played. They are morons for supporting this deplorable party. Years and years of saying they would repeal every word of Obamacare. 60 times they voted to repeal during the Obama administration and yet not one single vote on repeal and Trumpcare. Years and years of riling against abortions but nothing done and no laws changed. Moron voters, the Republican politicians only care about tax cuts for their rich buddies and shafting the middle class and the poor.

 

[Balt]

Republican establishment cannot give us anything, they do not have the votes.
If they have any desire to help the American people it'll be a bipartisan bill with Dems.

Any cooperation with the Dems is likely to lead to the House Republican leadership getting tossed out, thanks to the Freedom Caucus. While Dems might cooperate on legislation, I don't think they'll help Ryan remain Speaker when he gets challenged.

It all played out before with Boehner, though he left 'voluntarily' as part of a deal.

 

[cytg111]

That is perhaps the most describing gif of all this.. crying and laughing at the same time.

 

[boomerang]

Republican establishment cannot give us anything, they do not have the votes.
If they have any desire to help the American people it'll be a bipartisan bill with Dems.

So, there are alterations to 0bamacare that need to be done?

I'm sincerely puzzled that the stance of so many is that it's a cause for celebration that Republicans could not make changes to 0bamacare. No Democrats wished to be involved in the process so the only conclusion I can draw is that they feel the current legislation is perfect as is. Why do you feel that Democrats would now want to "help the American people" when they weren't interested prior? Republicans have shown us they can't get anything done to reform healthcare and Democrats have shown us that they are not interested in reforming it.

It looks to me like 0bamacare is firmly in place and will succeed or fail of it's own accord. I personally believe that it is on the road to failure but my interest is minimal. I can't control what Congress does. Whatever happens we will have to deal with it. I just think that believing that either party is willing to stick their necks out on something this huge is a naive position. Dem's got shellacked from coast to coast in part because of 0bamacare. Republicans would be taking a huge risk in changing it as would Dem's at this point. Republicans put forth an effort and whether it was sincere or not we'll never know. They never had the votes so it should not have gone as far as it did.

Don't misunderstand my position because I am not condoning the behavior but just fully realize that I am little more than a source of funds to political types. They want to keep me just content enough to keep electing them.

 

[sdifox]

So, there are alterations to 0bamacare that need to be done?

I'm sincerely puzzled that the stance of so many is that it's a cause for celebration that Republicans could not make changes to 0bamacare. No Democrats wished to be involved in the process so the only conclusion I can draw is that they feel the current legislation is perfect as is. Why do you feel that Democrats would now want to "help the American people" when they weren't interested prior? Republicans have shown us they can't get anything done to reform healthcare and Democrats have shown us that they are not interested in reforming it.

It looks to me like 0bamacare is firmly in place and will succeed or fail of it's own accord. I personally believe that it is on the road to failure but my interest is minimal. I can't control what Congress does. Whatever happens we will have to deal with it. I just think that believing that either party is willing to stick their necks out on something this huge is a naive position. Dem's got shellacked from coast to coast in part because of 0bamacare. Republicans would be taking a huge risk in changing it as would Dem's at this point. Republicans put forth an effort and whether it was sincere or not we'll never know. They never had the votes so it should not have gone as far as it did.

Don't misunderstand my position because I am not condoning the behavior but just fully realize that I am little more than a source of funds to political types. They want to keep me just content enough to keep electing them.

Explain how the proposed changes would make it better. For the people that is.

 

[K1052]

No Democrats wished to be involved in the process so the only conclusion I can draw is that they feel the current legislation is perfect as is. Why do you feel that Democrats would now want to "help the American people" when they weren't interested prior?

Many democrats have called for improvements to the ACA, particularly in the area of premium affordability for the people who have been dramatically impacted (a small but important group). That none of them climbed aboard the repeal train over the last 7 years is not evidence of their disinterest. Nor is their lack of support for this chimera of a bill that somehow managed to hurt more Americans than even a straight repeal.

There should now be some interest in a bipartisan fix of the actual problems instead of just trying to blame the Dems. HFC and other libertarian conservatives be damned since they are useless to the process of actually governing. Simply trying to blame Dem leaders not going to fly with voters if there are increasing problems brought on by neglect or administrative kneecapping.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

nm I'm wrong

 

[fskimospy]

Explain how the proposed changes would make it better. For the people that is.

It's amazing how brainwashed people must be when they think opposition to bad changes means endorsement of no changes.

 

[Jhhnn]

So, there are alterations to 0bamacare that need to be done?

I'm sincerely puzzled that the stance of so many is that it's a cause for celebration that Republicans could not make changes to 0bamacare. No Democrats wished to be involved in the process so the only conclusion I can draw is that they feel the current legislation is perfect as is. Why do you feel that Democrats would now want to "help the American people" when they weren't interested prior? Republicans have shown us they can't get anything done to reform healthcare and Democrats have shown us that they are not interested in reforming it.

It looks to me like 0bamacare is firmly in place and will succeed or fail of it's own accord. I personally believe that it is on the road to failure but my interest is minimal. I can't control what Congress does. Whatever happens we will have to deal with it. I just think that believing that either party is willing to stick their necks out on something this huge is a naive position. Dem's got shellacked from coast to coast in part because of 0bamacare. Republicans would be taking a huge risk in changing it as would Dem's at this point. Republicans put forth an effort and whether it was sincere or not we'll never know. They never had the votes so it should not have gone as far as it did.

Don't misunderstand my position because I am not condoning the behavior but just fully realize that I am little more than a source of funds to political types. They want to keep me just content enough to keep electing them.

Post-truth, huh?

Repubs don't want universal or near universal coverage because it necessarily includes redistribution of billionaire funds down the economic food chain. Their entire ideology is geared towards the opposite. That's not true of Dems, as witnessed by the existence of the ACA.

Sooo... You can prance & dance thru the smokescreen Repubs generate or you can proceed from knowing that truth.

 

[cytg111]

Heh, repubs "uniting" to repeal obamacare reminded me of something funny:
On a wall somehwere sprayed out with grafitti.. "Anarchists unite, this way ->".. with a subtle overdrawn text from another auther saying "dont tell me what to do bitch".
There is no 'greater good' with these people, there is only 'how do I, ME, gain'?
This brings me back to a post of mine
"Testing our leaders";
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/testing-our-leaders.2501846/

 

[Commodus]

So, there are alterations to 0bamacare that need to be done?

I'm sincerely puzzled that the stance of so many is that it's a cause for celebration that Republicans could not make changes to 0bamacare. No Democrats wished to be involved in the process so the only conclusion I can draw is that they feel the current legislation is perfect as is. Why do you feel that Democrats would now want to "help the American people" when they weren't interested prior? Republicans have shown us they can't get anything done to reform healthcare and Democrats have shown us that they are not interested in reforming it.

It looks to me like 0bamacare is firmly in place and will succeed or fail of it's own accord. I personally believe that it is on the road to failure but my interest is minimal. I can't control what Congress does. Whatever happens we will have to deal with it. I just think that believing that either party is willing to stick their necks out on something this huge is a naive position. Dem's got shellacked from coast to coast in part because of 0bamacare. Republicans would be taking a huge risk in changing it as would Dem's at this point. Republicans put forth an effort and whether it was sincere or not we'll never know. They never had the votes so it should not have gone as far as it did.

Don't misunderstand my position because I am not condoning the behavior but just fully realize that I am little more than a source of funds to political types. They want to keep me just content enough to keep electing them.

Won't repeat what others have said, but it's fairly simple:

AHCA would have stripped roughly 24 million Americans of health care. It was entirely likely that people were going to die as a direct result of this bill. And surprise, surprise, it punished low income families while rewarding wealthy ones. Obamacare is far from perfect, but many people would rather live with that than a bill so openly contemptuous and spiteful as the AHCA.

 

[boomerang]

Explain how the proposed changes would make it better. For the people that is.

That wasn't the nature of my post. But I will say that the proposed changes were flawed in that it was to be tackled in three phases, with no way to guarantee the remaining two would ever be passed. However, with legislation as far reaching and complex as 0bamacare, to try and change it in one fell swoop appears to me to be impossible. The legislation contained nothing to control or reduce costs and because of that it deserved to fail which it did.

I'll also say that with the track record the CBO has had regarding health care legislation, why anyone would have any faith in their projections is beyond me. But having said that, I do fully understand that it is a partisan issue. Whatever team likes the projections, for whatever reasons, worships the CBO like they are Gods. In that moment anyway.

Obamacare insured some people that weren't. That's good. The bad, and it's really bad, is that those that were needed to get on board to support others can't afford to contribute. It irks me when I continually hear from people that are so very enamored of lower monthly premiums (subsidized by taxpayers too) on plans that have enormous deductibles and copay's that render the coverage virtually worthless in the majority of instances. But I get that too. Concentrate on the good while ignoring the bad. If someone's mind can operate in that manner they probably go through life happier than many and there is something to be said for that.

Here's my bottom line and it applies to many, many things going on in the country. We can't keep borrowing money from other nations to keep providing free shit to not just our citizens, but citizens of other countries too. The math will not eventually catch up with us, it already has, we are pretending at this point that it hasn't. What's really reprehensible about the whole setup is that it's all being done to not just garner votes, but power. Our political system has not for a long time been based on making the nation and it's people better off. It's about power and what that gets the people who make the rules. It's truly a shame too that we have so many that can't comprehend that free shit actually has a price tag attached to it.

0bamacare will implode. It's just a matter of time. Some people like to watch the world burn. I know I'll be watching because I've reached a point in my life where I have recognized that I have no power. We'll all be watching but what will be interesting is seeing how different people deal with it. It's coming, we can't stop it and we'll all have to deal with it in our own way.

 

[boomerang]

It was entirely likely that people were going to die as a direct result of this bill.

You're a simpleton. Why do you keep displaying it in such a public manner? That's rhetorical because I already know that you think you're the smartest of the smart. How could you not when you've been told so your whole life?

This is Dem playbook basics on display. Every fucking time they get presented with something that could wrench control from their hands we hear that people are going to die. You are an imbecile to keep falling for this. The Democratic Party counts on you and they have very successfully taken control of the institutions in the U.S. to keep churning out mindless people like yourself. What a success story that has turned out to be eh? Idiots pulling levers in voting booths.

Enjoy your free shit. While it lasts.

 

[Jaskalas]

So, there are alterations to 0bamacare that need to be done?

I am for Medicare for all, and until that is law of the land I will champion for it and against any other system.
It's a simple matter of people want / need healthcare, and there is only one entity large enough to soak costs.
Any system placing the burden on companies or individuals is destined for both failure and letting people suffer.

I'm sincerely puzzled that the stance of so many is that it's a cause for celebration that Republicans could not make changes to 0bamacare.

Republicans are seen as genuinely wanting to move costs back down to individuals. AKA, "saving" the system by letting people suffer. That might inform you as to why people are happy to see their effort(s) fail. Freedom caucus's idea of healthcare is "FYGM" and "DIAF". They are an outright objection to any idea that people get healthcare, which is contrary to how people actually feel on the matter.

The miraculous thing is Trump was SO stupid as to think he could work with them.
That's impressive even by characterized standards for him.

Why do you feel that Democrats would now want to "help the American people" when they weren't interested prior?

They are interested in strengthening the system, not attacking or destroying it. Progressive values should lead them to single payer.
Even if few of them are inclined towards it, it is for us to push them into it. They are the most likely group to accept what I want.

It looks to me like 0bamacare is firmly in place and will succeed or fail of it's own accord.

Generally, yes. And it is going to fail because it's far too expensive on both companies and people.
It mandated healthcare without addressing costs. Single payer does both. It is the only answer to affirm that people get healthcare.

 

[IronWing]

Here's my bottom line and it applies to many, many things going on in the country. We can't keep borrowing money from other nations to keep providing free shit to not just our citizens, but citizens of other countries too. The math will not eventually catch up with us, it already has, we are pretending at this point that it hasn't.

True. We need to raise taxes to pay for the programs we want. The plan that just died did the opposite. It was totally irresponsible.

 

[Commodus]

You're a simpleton. Why do you keep displaying it in such a public manner? That's rhetorical because I already know that you think you're the smartest of the smart. How could you not when you've been told so your whole life?

This is Dem playbook basics on display. Every fucking time they get presented with something that could wrench control from their hands we hear that people are going to die. You are an imbecile to keep falling for this. The Democratic Party counts on you and they have very successfully taken control of the institutions in the U.S. to keep churning out mindless people like yourself. What a success story that has turned out to be eh? Idiots pulling levers in voting booths.

Enjoy your free shit. While it lasts.

No, it's called having real-world examples of how withdrawing ACA and implementing AHCA would hurt and potentially even kill people. For instance: I have one friend who practically depends on ACA for medication. She was struggling badly before ACA, and was guaranteed to struggle if ACA was removed. Another example: one online friend couldn't have afforded cancer treatment before ACA. She's literally still alive because of that law.

Did you really think that stripping 24 million people of health care coverage wasn't going to have a dire effect on the ability of some people to get treatments they need to live a normal life, or in some cases survive? It's not about losing control of health care, it's about basic logic and compassion.

 

[pcgeek11]

What are they going to do when the ACA collapses?

 

[Thebobo]

I want the same health care that congress has. If its good enough for them then it should be available for all americans.

 

[IronWing]

What are they going to do when the ACA collapses?

Fiddle.

 

[fskimospy]

What are they going to do when the ACA collapses?

First, the ACA won't collapse. Basically no nonpartisan projections say that. That's a right wing echo chamber myth.

Second, if it were in danger of collapse then Republicans better do something about it to make it stronger. They are in charge.

 

[K1052]

What are they going to do when the ACA collapses?

Not that I agree with the premise but should it happen through neglect or administrative action my suspicion is that voters will blame the people in power, as usual.