Do you know for a fact that each panel is individually tested for defects?Yes they are A- either because of backlight bleed, bad pixels or color acuracy. If a customer buys one that is pixel perfect than it will definitely have one or both of the other two problems. I know some people would have a problem with the bleed just not the vast majority. The increased sharpness from the 2560x1440 resolution makes me forget about the minor defects though. Even old games look good now. I played a few games of Rise of Nations and it looks pretty good to me at high resolution. I don't think I can go back to 1080P now as it would seem blurry.
You should only get your news from the MSM. Seedy internet news channels are verboten.Someone in the USA Military stationed in So. Korea said these monitors are only sold in seedy electronics markets that also sell fake ipods?
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1675393&highlight=Microcenter&page=156
He also stated that no legit electronics stores in Korea would even carry/sell these monitors...
Anyone try this Auria EQ276Wlocally from Microcenter? $399.99+tax
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0384780
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1694047
Might go take a look at local MC and maybe have a piece of mind (warranty, service, return).
I have a YAMAKASI 2703 LED ($298 + free shipping) in my eBay cart.
So the argument is that you should reject the product because of where it's sold?
I believe that is a type of logical fallacy?
When you can't attack the merits of the thing itself, you attack other things that aren't directly related to the thing itself. Like killing a messenger when he carries a bad message.
not really sure why this matters
they work as advertised, all risks are known before purchasing, i couldn't care less where they are sold from in SK
Not that I don't trust his opinion(after all, I don't even know him), but I put more weight on the many, many happy people who have actually bought and own these monitors. I just bought a catleap on ebay and am looking forward to getting it. This was one of the harder decisions I have made about my computer purchases. I value my money and spend considerable time researching items before pulling the trigger. In the end this purchase required a leap of faith, but there is no way I would spend $1k or more on a comparable name brand monitor, so it was this or some name brand of lesser resolution.
-S
Do you know for a fact that each panel is individually tested for defects?
I would imagine a statistical sampling QC method is used which allows both good panels to be downgraded and bad panels to be certified A+. This would certainly explain the odd bad Apple, etc monitor.
Saying that you MUST have one or another defect, as logical as it sounds, might simply be wrong.
You should only get your news from the MSM. Seedy internet news channels are verboten.
Anyone try this Auria EQ276Wlocally from Microcenter? $399.99+tax
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0384780
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1694047
Might go take a look at local MC and maybe have a piece of mind (warranty, service, return).
I have a YAMAKASI 2703 LED ($298 + free shipping) in my eBay cart.
Proof?I know for a fact that they do check every A+ panel... which is why they are much more expensive in most cases... not every process is 100% full proof and defects can occur during factory assembly and due to shipping mishandling.
Really? I don't 100% trust everyone on other threads/forums stating that they got "perfect A- panels" either especially if they are new posters... which is why I'm still on the fence about these A- panels and I'm still trying to find more information and research about them.
Proof?
The above two excerpts seem to demand it.
That is my point. It IS possible for someone to receive an excellent panel.My employee is a former QC for Pegatron, ASUS, and Acer (They all make their own monitors too)... Pegatron is a contract manufacturer for Apple products including the macbooks, iPads, and iPhones.
Here is what she can disclose to me without violating the NDA of her former employers:
Each company has different criteria (Handbook) for acceptence of the batch of LG Panels - it could be no defects/dots and or must meet a particular brightness/contrast ratio, etc: It is either REJECT or ACCEPT: Apple - For example when the Panel batches arrive to factory for assembly they FIRST do a statistical sample of each batch. If the samples meets the Criteria guideline then they accept the batch, if not they reject the entire batch. Then during assembly before packaging they QC every panel to see if it meets the criteria, if not they pull that monitor from the line for their engineers to inspect and have it replace with a panel that meets the criteria. If more than 3 panels during final QC fails the criteria they stop that whole line to inspect that batch. All rejected panels are sent back to LG for replacement. Also all display panel batches are accepted by factory on consignment so they always return rejects found later in return for Accepted passed panels later. Apple does check every panel before it leaves for market.
The REJECTED batches may actually have A+ or A panels in there, but it is rare due to the manufacturing process for that batch.
What may be rejected by Apple, may be accepted by other brands/factories... Other brands may accept higher/lower brightness and or different contrast ratios or accept a bearable amount of defects (like backlight bleeding) - but they all have one thing in common, 1 dark/dead pixel deams the entire monitor as defective. But this is how Apple and big brands gets the pick of the best panels (A+) and leave little A+ panels for everyone else whom may inspect every panel in the rejected batch to find these flawless panels.
Major brands that have their products sold at major retailers would not accept batches with visible defects/etc because their distribution partners would not want customers returning/rma... the industry standard is 5% or lower. Which explains why you don't see Catleaps or other Korean brands in major retailers.
The Catleaps and other Korean factories are willing to accept LG panel batches with max 5 or less dead/defective pixels/dots - and the sellers have said some blacklight bleed is okay = these may be Apple rejected batches due to their initial statistical inspection and it doesn't necessarily indicates that entire batch of LG panels share the same rejected characteristics, may be a majority of them are perfect panels with no or little defects - which explain why some customers receive monitors with little or no issues. For the price people are willing to take the gamble or accept minor stuff and its suitable for their needs such as gaming...
I am still trying to find out and researching the criteria for the grading of panels. Which is why I'm hoping for a factory/brand representative that is trolling these forums can share this insight...
That is my point. It IS possible for someone to receive an excellent panel.
Why did you defend what "SHAQ" said, " If a customer buys one that is pixel perfect than it will definitely have one or both of the other two problems".
LG manufactures the panels and almost certainly samples randomly to determine both a trend in quality, with this info probably feeding back to process control and to assign grades to batches. Right there you will have lower graded batches having both some higher and lower quality panels.There have been quite a few people on other forums reporting pixel perfect was a waste of money and they still got bad pixels elsewhere or heavy backlight bleeding... the defects may not be detectable with human eye and may require prefessional tools.
However, once Apple or Dell Rejects that batch, it goes back to LG and they may ship that batch to other Brands such as HP, ASUS, or ACER that may have different criteria restrictions for their Panel requirements - which may further pull more quality panels from the batches. Most display panels in the retail market are "A" Grade... from past experience retailers/distributors no longer want to carry "A-" grades or lower... there are companies in the secondary market buying binned or lower grade panels for repair or selling as refurbished.
Rejection of the batch still doesn't give it a "Panel Grade" designation. It doesn't say B or A or A- for the sake of argument.
For all I know LG designates the grade after inspection when the batches get returned and sells it for a lower price to other display manufacturers. The binned panels don't simply get tossed all the time, LG may try to repair or use spare parts to creat more panels or simply Grade them and sell them cheaper with that "Grade (A-)" designation... Someone I know in the industry mentioned LG International Inspection Standards = which gives a reason why these monitors we are seeing given the A- Grade.
Again... Once I find out and research more about the grades I will report back here...
Keep in mind though, that monitor isnt IPS, so even though your not getting an A- screen, the viewing angles and colors wont be as nice.
I know for a fact that they do check every A+ panel... which is why they are much more expensive in most cases... not every process is 100% full proof and defects can occur during factory assembly and due to shipping mishandling.
Really? I don't 100% trust everyone on other threads/forums stating that they got "perfect A- panels" either especially if they are new posters... which is why I'm still on the fence about these A- panels and I'm still trying to find more information and research about them.
I will post pics of mine best I can in the next few days if my opinion helps at all
if not ill ust get your tags again in bf3
SLU has one and posted good things about it
If 3 of your 'monitors' have the same issue, perhaps it's not the monitors but a funky cable or issue with your video card ports?
im not sure what that actually means, so i can't answer
AFAIK there is no scaler on the basic ones
I will check later today
If you change the resolution to say, 1920x1200, does the monitor stretch that image over the entire screen, or is the image displayed at the correct pixel size with a black border around it?
Appreciated.
Its a usefull feature, especially when gaming. As gaming graphic fidelity increases and any given gpu starts to show it's age, it nice to scale back the resolution to improve performance (instead of scaling back graphical effects). But if the monitor does not have 1:1 scaling, and ends up stretching the lower resolution over the entire screen, the image looks awful.
My Catleap handles non-native resolution input ok, but the only time I've ever fed it non-native resolution is in the BIOS screen. If you are talking about scaling in Windows, your graphics card will handle any kind of scaling you want. If you are talking about sending an actual 1920x1200 signal to your monitor (not sure why you would to be honest) then I doubt it will show anything at all. I'm not even sure how you would send a 1920x1200 signal to this monitor come to think of it... not in Windows anyways.
For what it's worth, I can use 1080p on the monitor in windows, and though it looks kinda fuzzy, it works. It is stretched to the edges of the screen by default, although I can set Nvidia control panel to do 1 to 1 imaging instead.