Anyone else get a Catleap?

[felang]

120hz.net my friend. Got in on the first batch of 100. No word currently on when the second batch will go up for sale, but it should likely be in the next two weeks.

Ahh thanks...

 

[Destiny]

Congrats on everyone that got no visible defect displays!

I'm backing up blastingcap on this because he received one of these displays with weird brightness/contrast and gave me some valuable information about these monitors and combined with my own research... all these Catleap, Crossover and Achieva monitors are indeed using A- grade monitors which are rejects from big brands due to LG International Inspection Standards for these displays.

They are using LM270WQ1 same as Apple 27" displays... but the difference is Apple's display panels are A+ Grade and these cheaper Korean ones are A- grade.

The ebay sellers are stating they are A- grades LG Panels and even show what ARE acceptible defects and number of defective visible defects for these A- Grade monitors from the Korean Manufacturers. Higher grade monitors such as A+ and A grade monitors have NO visible defects inlcuding irregular contrast/brightness, no visible pixel defects, etc. A+ and A grades are what are being used in Apple, Dell, HP, Samsung, NEC, ASUS, BenQ, ACER and other major brands here in the USA that would consider A- grade panels as worst and not acceptable for their display products.

The people that are ordering and getting them for $300 - $400 and got no visible dead pixels are taking a gamble and of course are getting lucky because I see about 20% to 30% of people whom received their displays are reporting DOA/Pixel/Contrast defects on other forums.

At that risk rate... I rather wait and do a little more research, and spend $100+ more for a peace of mind and a USA warranty.

 

[Ashenor]

Hmm never heard of these, just seen this thread and the huge one on the OC forum.

I have a GTX 670 to push it, looking for a gaming monitor. Anyone recommend which to get? Anyway outside of Ebay to order one or is that the cheapest route?

Thanks

 

[Destiny]

Hmm never heard of these, just seen this thread and the huge one on the OC forum.

I have a GTX 670 to push it, looking for a gaming monitor. Anyone recommend which to get? Anyway outside of Ebay to order one or is that the cheapest route?

Thanks

Same here... I should get a GTX 670 sometime next week (if it comes back on stock on AMAZON)
Sometimes I see the same monitors pop up on AMAZON and sells out... not sure if its from a third party seller or if its shipped locally from a USA source...

 

[OVerLoRDI]

I'm interested in the high hz possibility of these monitors. I must do some research.

 

[blastingcap]

I'm interested in the high hz possibility of these monitors. I must do some research.

You would have wanted the "B" revision Catleaps that were heavily discussed on OCN or some other forum, but which aren't being made anymore, and even if they were, at 120HZ you are severely overclocking something and it may not last long before burning out. If you are willing to settle for something less, like 85HZ, that would be more reasonable. I also think someone was trying to get a group buy together to get Catleap to make another batch of those B revision monitors... not sure if that ever went anywhere.

 

[Gloomy]

So what's your opinion on one of these for photoshop, after having bought one?

 

[blastingcap]

If you are talking about my 27" Shimian, it's a legit s-IPS panel and not far from an Apple CinemaDisplay panel if we're talking just image quality (and not warranty, lack of 120V plug, lack of onscreen controls, lack of manual controls other than brightness/contrast, backlight bleeding, lack of scaler, and weird boot-up problems as I already detailed in this thread.... though that last one about boot up problem is apparently my BIOS and not the monitor, since nobody else is having that issue). I'm pleased with it so long as the picture isn't dark, 'cause then the backlight bleeding gets ugly. I have not actually done photoshop editing with it yet since I loaned it to my gf while I try to figure out a better long term solution to my having limited desk space and four monitors: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2243625

 

[special33]

are these THAT much better than high end samsungs?

 

[Destiny]

are these THAT much better than high end samsungs?

If you asking for picture and color quality? It depends because Samsung may have added its own calibration and software and these Catleaps are not calibrated and have no built in settings for calibration (need to use your PC).

Also samsung uses A and A+ grade panels... these Korean ones use A- grades...

 

[Zebo]

I've got a 120hz catleap on the way

Which ones exactly are the 120hz ones?

 

[Zebo]

Congrats on everyone that got no visible defect displays!

I'm backing up blastingcap on this because he received one of these displays with weird brightness/contrast and gave me some valuable information about these monitors and combined with my own research... all these Catleap, Crossover and Achieva monitors are indeed using A- grade monitors which are rejects from big brands due to LG International Inspection Standards for these displays.

They are using LM270WQ1 same as Apple 27" displays... but the difference is Apple's display panels are A+ Grade and these cheaper Korean ones are A- grade.

The ebay sellers are stating they are A- grades LG Panels and even show what ARE acceptible defects and number of defective visible defects for these A- Grade monitors from the Korean Manufacturers. Higher grade monitors such as A+ and A grade monitors have NO visible defects inlcuding irregular contrast/brightness, no visible pixel defects, etc. A+ and A grades are what are being used in Apple, Dell, HP, Samsung, NEC, ASUS, BenQ, ACER and other major brands here in the USA that would consider A- grade panels as worst and not acceptable for their display products.

The people that are ordering and getting them for $300 - $400 and got no visible dead pixels are taking a gamble and of course are getting lucky because I see about 20% to 30% of people whom received their displays are reporting DOA/Pixel/Contrast defects on other forums.

At that risk rate... I rather wait and do a little more research, and spend $100+ more for a peace of mind and a USA warranty.

How do you know they are a-? Where are you finding a glossy screened 27" with a US warranty for only $100 more? Most all except apples use a very aggressive ant glare coating afaik which results in semi blurry text/crystallization.

 

[mple]

Only the Catleap's with 2B PCBs are capable of being overclocked to >60hz, but it depends on your set up. Current generation AMD cards are software limited to 82-85hz. GTX 670/680s can hit >120hz.

There are some threads in OCN's display section, but most of the guys who are interested in the 120hz OC models have migrated over to 120hz.net

 

[Destiny]

How do you know they are a-? Where are you finding a glossy screened 27" with a US warranty for only $100 more? Most all except apples use a very aggressive ant glare coating afaik which results in semi blurry text/crystallization.

Its well known in the other forums that they are using A- grade LG Display panels and on some of the Ebay listings the sellers stated that they are A- grade... and also they stated what are the acceptable number of visible defective pixels/defects... which from my research A+ grades have NO visible defective pixels and NO detectable (using professional tools to detect) defects. I'm still researching to find out exactly what defects designate the LG display panels to lower grades... especially when the buyer receives the monitors because there is no real way to find out if the defects are the result of the shipping or if the manufacturer purposely purchased defective displays for assembly.

To clarify, I ment to say $100 or more... the closest I found are the HP 27" that are averaging for $650

 

[Ashenor]

I ended up buying the Shimian Qh270-Lite, says its comes with a 120/240 plug so i should be ok then or do i need to get something else? I paid a bit more for a pixel perfect one, $363 and it already shipped out this morning. So hopefully i have it by the end of the week. If it is as good as it sounds will probably order another one by next week to run dual monitors with.

 

[Face2Face]

Let us know. At $363 for a pixel perfect 27" LED 1440p monitor is truly awesome. I may just have to get one - Keep us in the loop please.

 

[Ashenor]

For sure as soon as i get it i will let you know.

 

[blastingcap]

I ended up buying the Shimian Qh270-Lite, says its comes with a 120/240 plug so i should be ok then or do i need to get something else? I paid a bit more for a pixel perfect one, $363 and it already shipped out this morning. So hopefully i have it by the end of the week. If it is as good as it sounds will probably order another one by next week to run dual monitors with.

The ocean of posters at OC and elsewhere have said pixel perfect is worthless. They don't actually check it for you despite saying they do. It's worth something if they will pay return shipping to fix dead pixels, I guess? Anyway, air delivery usually takes 3-5 business days.

I have that model. You will receive an AC adapter (aka "power brick") that is good for 120 or 240V. But the included detachable cord that runs from the brick to your wall outlet is no good for USA sockets; it ends in an international plug. Luckily you can plug your existing monitor's cord (or PSU cord) into the adapter instead. But now you can't use your existing monitor or PSU. I suppose that's the same situation people find themselves in when buying the Antec Green PSU though (which tells you to re-use your existing PSU's cord, lol): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817371033 Alternatively you can buy an international-to-USA socket adapter (I have one, due to wanting to charge my phone and camera when traveling overseas), but I don't want to burden that cheap Chinese-made adapter 24/7, so I just used my old monitor's plug instead.

 

[Smartazz]

Any idea how long these will be around at such low prices? My monitor is acting strange so I might get one of these if it dies.

 

[Face2Face]

The ocean of posters at OC and elsewhere have said pixel perfect is worthless. They don't actually check it for you despite saying they do. Air delivery usually takes 3-5 business days.

If that is the case, will you be able to return or exchange if it's not pixel perfect?

 

[blastingcap]

I don't know and I have edited my comment about that accordingly. I guess it depends on the seller what their policy on returns/exchanges are. And how they define "perfect" may not be what you define as perfect... like, if they say up to 5 pixels is perfect, is it really perfect? What about backlight bleeding. Nevertheless, if they pay for return shipping for defective panels, that may be worth something. Shipping is quite expensive unless you have a commercial account with discounts.

 

[Ashenor]

I ordered mine from TA_planet, i have not seen anyone say they had a pixel on theres from skimming through the threads that ordered from him.

I might order a normal one from him later in the week since it will be my 2nd monitor i think they were around 319 or so from him shipped i can live with a dead pixel or so on that one.

 

[MrMajestyk]

This guy got his PP 'Lite' from ta_planet with a note inside saying it had been checked. Although he did find 1 imperfection.

http://www.avforums.com/forums/moni...shimian-qh270-lite-unpacking-mini-review.html

PP 'Lite' or Standard Crossover which I think looks better. Decisions.

 

[Ashenor]

Amazing it shipped Monday from Korea I received it at noon today near Detroit. Diablo 3 in 1440p is amazing, and Tera looks unreal.

Zero issues or dead pixels, honestly one of the best purchases I have made.

Here is a crappy pic next to my 23" acer I will get better ones later.

 

[Gigglin]

I have been using a Catleap for over a month now. No issues whatsoever. Tera, Skyrim, BF3 and everything else looks gorgeous. Very vibrant colors. The only issue my panel has is some backlight bleeding in the lower right corner when the screen is black. Besides that there are no dead pixels and such. I am using a color profile that I found in the OC Catleap thread, and it's working out fine.

If I were to buy right now, I would get the Crossover over the catleap for the better stand. Catleap stand is wobbly. Also, games don't look that good if played in non-native resolution (Catleap does not have scaler), so make sure you have a beefy high-end video card if you want to game at 1440p. I am using a 7970 OC, and Skyrim runs at mostly 60fps @ ultra, 2xAA. It uses over 2GB vram with the texture mods according to AB, not sure if it is accurate.