If you'll notice, I don't have an Apple desktop or any desktop.
AT obviously has lots of power users and gamers who do use desktops, and there is no comparison, I'll readily agree.
However, once you get away from the "disposable" category of laptops and netbooks, Apple's offerings are competitively priced.
Same with phones, tablets, etc...
I will admit the price premium for Apple laptops is smaller but it still exists. Comparing my ThinkPad x220 to the MBP 13" I got far more for my money from Lenovo for the same price.
I got-
The same cpu
same amount and speed of ram
a better IPS screen
better battery life
a 120gb SSD vs a slow mechanical hard drive in the Mac
So compared to the x220 the MBP 13 certainly carries a price premium.
Apple started the touchpad craze that has absolutely ruined laptops. Trackpoints are 100% more functional.
You didn't think about what you had to give up:
1) An all aluminum chassis, not some flimsy plastic.
2) The ability to run Mac OSX when needed, and not just Windows or Linux.
3) Glass to protect the screen with a scratch-resistant coating.
4) Multitouch trackpad that supports up to 6 simultaneous touches, and can also be used as a graphics tablet complete with pressure sensitivity.
5) Optical drive... or a secondary hard drive bay to expand storage.
6) Fan designed to blow up from the hinge of the screen and not to the sides, so there is no normal way to block the vents while you use the device, thus maximizing air flow and heat dissipation.
Minor cosmetic and design perks, I'd agree, but those all add up to the Mac experience.
You didn't think about what you had to give up:
1) An all aluminum chassis, not some flimsy plastic.
2) The ability to run Mac OSX when needed, and not just Windows or Linux.
3) Glass to protect the screen with a scratch-resistant coating.
4) Multitouch trackpad that supports up to 6 simultaneous touches, and can also be used as a graphics tablet complete with pressure sensitivity.
5) Optical drive... or a secondary hard drive bay to expand storage.
6) Fan designed to blow up from the hinge of the screen and not to the sides, so there is no normal way to block the vents while you use the device, thus maximizing air flow and heat dissipation.
Minor cosmetic and design perks, I'd agree, but those all add up to the Mac experience.
1) A Thinkpad will easily survive abuse that would destroy a Macbook pro so flimsy plastic not found
2) The world runs on Windows and I have yet to see a single task that requires OSX.
3) Glossy screens are never acceptable for a laptop so that's a con not a pro
4) I don't use trackpads, ever, as I am 100% trackpoint or mouse.
5) I haven't used an optical drive on a laptop for years now and have never missed it. besides the thinkpad has a mSATA slot if I need additional storage.
6) The Thinkpad's fans keep it far cooler than the Macbook pro and I fail to see how you would block them in the first place.
I don't know about you but a SSD and better battery life seem a heck of a lot more valuable in a laptop.
1. Right, and so when that aluminum chassis gets scratched you can see is much easier than on black plastic. You also didn't mention how easily the MBP dints. It's aluminum is not as sturdy as a hard plastic that won't dent.
2. Exactly why do you "need" to run OSX? Not to mention you didn't factor in the cost of having to purchase a license for Windows to run on OSX. So it's not a "bonus" to run Windows, it's a cost.
3. Glass = increased reflections when used in brighter environments and the possibility of dust build-up in between the screen and the glass. It's been known to happen, read about it.
4. Optical Drive. That is personal preference. You can get similar windows laptops with drives. This isn't really an advantage of a MBP.
5. Fan = silly.
1) I think we can both agree that without scientific test, this is pretty much unfounded. But according to science, aluminum holds up better than plastic.
i bought a 27" imac last weekend. i dont need it. i saw a friend had one in his house and gave in to peer pressure and bought one myself, windows just isnt cool anymore and to impress people you pretty much have to have apple these days. ill probably get ipad pro next august and am having trouble resisting getting a white ipad 2 at the moment. i would get iphone4s but since it has the same form factor as iphone 4 people cant tell you have a 4s which totally sucks
Wow, I thought people bought a computer to fill a need, not to buy a "cool" brand like a car. If the people around you look down because your using windows it's computer snobbery, maybe you could impress by doing the job asked of you, to the best of your abilities, your Apple "cool" factor will become meaningless in 15 minutes..
not to mention that lots of linux apps just dont work. there will be features in linux software that just dont work the way they are intended to. and documentation is very poorI'm a mix. Android phone, Ipad, windows on desktop for gaming.
Sometimes i install Linux thinking i'll just use windows for gaming only, but that never lasts long.
Not always cause of the reboot into other OS thing, mostly cause Linux apps kinda suck. I dunno what the linux fans keep yapping about how there is alternative apps to everything...there is in a way, but in a generic way. many just have really poor UI's or really ugly ones.
then i think, well fuck i can just do all this in windows. and back i am. despite the AV's and whatnot, W7 still boots up just as fast it seems.
Only thing i hate about Android, is the over saturation of apps. There is a lot of crappy apps and you have to manually sift through them to find the good ones. IOS isnt near as bad in that regard, usually the first app of something i try, it does what i expect and want. On android its cross my fingers and hope this app is decent.
2) The world runs on Windows and I have yet to see a single task that requires OSX.
Just a little comment from a 15+ year user of Windows. I've been using OSX Lion on my MBA for the last three weeks and I have to say I actually prefer web browsing from OSX. For starters the integration with the trackpad is just fantastic. I can fling through and slide back and forth through pages so much faster and smoothly than I ever could through IE even with my really nice Logitech Revolution mouse. The trackpads on these things are just fantastic.
I also like not having to worry about the endless amounts of spyware and other crap that you have to watch out for nonstop on a windows box without having a pile of defender apps and various other things. I just have a lot less browser hangups and crashes under Safari.
I find myself spending more and more time under the OSX partition for casual use. Business wise I still need Windows for a lot of stuff for work. But for web browsing I think I actually prefer OSX.
I use Macbook touchpads and even a magic trackpad at my friends' pretty regularly. They all make me want to throw the machine across the room. Touching and gesturing on anything that's not the actual screen is stupid, inefficient, and deeply counterintuitive.People who haven't used an Apple touchpad just don't comprehend how slick it is
I take it you can't see its a troll post.
I use Macbook touchpads and even a magic trackpad at my friends' pretty regularly. They all make me want to throw the machine across the room. Touching and gesturing on anything that's not the actual screen is stupid, inefficient, and deeply counterintuitive.
I use Macbook touchpads and even a magic trackpad at my friends' pretty regularly. They all make me want to throw the machine across the room. Touching and gesturing on anything that's not the actual screen is stupid, inefficient, and deeply counterintuitive.
1) I think we can both agree that without scientific test, this is pretty much unfounded. But according to science, aluminum holds up better than plastic.
2) Developing for iOS requires OSX. Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
3) I think there is quite a number of people who would disagree with you there... depending on the situations.
4) Then I guess you don't know what you are missing out on. Then again, I have used Windows laptops for so long now, and I can agree with you that on a Windows laptop, trackpoint and mouse are much better.
5) The optical drive can be removed and a high capacity hard drive or SSD can be put in its place as backup storage. I think it's more convenient that way. One less thing to carry in the bag. But I guess it's your preference.
6) Try putting it on the bed or on a pillow and see if the vent is still not blocked...
As soon as Asus will sell me the TF2, yes.You use a touchscreen notebook?
Mouse use *in itself* isn't super-obvious, but in the context of any window + cursor system, it absolutely is. And of course, it's not just dominant because of that, but because it's infinitely more precise *and* more broad, and has the tactility that the trackpad horribly lacks. (Yes, I always use haptic on my phone.) Even the trackpoint -- though it's not as fast as a mouse -- is superior for precision and tactility.Yea, but moving that mouse around to manipulate a cursor, hell, that right there is hardwired into chimps it is so intuitive.