Anyone else hoarding incandescent bulbs?

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Dirigible

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What's a 'halogen' bulb with regards to indoor lighting? I've only ever heard that term with cars; and it's still an incandescent (filament) bulb. The gas inside just allows it to be smaller and brighter...but since all the light is being produced by a glowing filament, I was under the impression that amount of watts used per lumen would about the same.

Hence the (as far I knew) lack of indoor use- no constraint to 12v or small size, so regular bulbs make more sense.

The ones to which I refer look like normal old incandescent bulbs. Illuminate like normal old incandescent bulbs. Slightly less energy used for same light.

Once I realized I could still buy what was basically the same as what was outlawed, I was happy.

Example:
http://www.usa.philips.com/c/energy...t60-medium-base-dimmable-046677209698/prd/en/
 

lxskllr

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I dunno if you can say that they're free in winter. I've thought along the same lines, but can you say that a hot filament is really the best way to produce heat?

I guess wattage and heat produced would have to be linked inexorably (assuming the electricity isn't doing other 'work'), but pure electricity isn't the only way to produce heat, obviously.

All energy makes heat in the end. This could be argued numerous ways, and everyone will come up with a different answer. Is it better than gas? How about oil? "I use wood, that doesn't cost me anything"... The point is they advertise as SAVE $$$$! SAVE the environment! Switch to CFL! and that's patently bullshit. Much of the energy use is diverted elsewhere. It's being offloaded to people that don't give a shit about anything other than money so the consumer can save a few cents on the electric bill. Their lack of giving a shit floats pollution over here, and uses more resources, raising energy costs for everyone in the long view. Pay now, or pay later, but everyone will pay.
 

UnklSnappy

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Nope, no hoarding incandescent bulbs here. The few I have left are all in exterior fixtures.
I have about 75% Home Depot CFL and 25% Phillips LED in the house.
 

HamburgerBoy

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No, although I do prefer incandescents. Thinking about it, out of the 100-odd lightbulbs in my mom's house (outside of her room which I rarely enter), I don't think that one has burned out in the last ~5 years. Actually, I don't think the 15-odd lightbulbs in my basement have died since we moved in 11 years ago. Although my lava lamp's bulb did die, so there's that. I have a feeling that a bunch are going to suddenly die now.
 

meob

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They're "free" to operate in the winter if you live in a cooler area, and at 10¢ per kwh, the "savings" is almost non-existent unless you're naturally wasteful. In that case, the economic, environmental, and patriotic solution is to change your behavior. Buying bulbs that use more energy to make, and ship doesn't save anything.

depends on the cost of gas vs electric in your area on whether or not they're "free". most places it's cheaper to heat with gas than electricity, though at least the energy goes into making you more comfortable. incandescents are brutal in the summer though, unless you like sitting in the dark or have tons of natural light.

and how much more energy to cfls take to produce? I've had the same 2 24w CFLs in my bedroom for at least 5 years. I can't imagine the increased manufacturing costs of CFLs being remotely close to the energy saved from having 3/4ths less electricity and heat the ac had to remove for the thousands of hours these lights have been on.
 

ShawnD1

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The government forced the change, and mandated the phase out of incandescents. CFLs are a false economy. They divert the cost to other locations on the planet, and the energy savings is overstated. They make more sense in public/municipal facilities than they do in the house.

My living room is lit up with 4 bulbs that run from about 5:30pm to 11pm every day. Regular old bulbs would consume 400W.
5.5h * 0.4kw * 30 days = 66kwh
Power is about $0.10/kwh after fees and shit, so that would cost about $6.60 per month to run the living room lights with old bulbs. The CFL bulbs are 1/4 that, so about $1.65 per month. Saving $4.95 per month pays for itself very quickly, and that's just 1 room.

My bathroom is a better story. The fluorescent bulbs are equivalent to 200W regular per bulb, but you can't put 200W bulbs in a regular socket due to it being a fire hazard. Trying to get proper illumination with incandescent bulbs would require the bathroom to be rewired to allow for 4 bulbs instead of 2, but then that creates a problem where running a hair dryer would trip the breaker. This is why my condo's bathroom only has 2 light sockets.
This was taken into account in my parents' house, which was built in the 70s. The big bathroom does have 4 lights, but the power socket is for razors only. The small bathroom has 2 lights, but it has a regular socket that a hair dryer plugs into.
I'm curious to see how LED bulbs turn out. Can you imagine a 50W LED bulb? My bathroom would be as bright as the sun.

I recently bought a work light that has 2 500W halogen bulbs. Instead of heating the room with a heater, I can just turn that sucker on. It heats the room and it makes the room look like a nice sunny day.
 
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Imp

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I just hope the price on LEDs come down significantly. I changed my bedroom lights to LED because I spend a lot of time in there. Too expensive to change over the whole house.

LEDs are semi-affordable now at $15 for non-dimmable models. Home Depot has 60W equivalents (use 12.5W -ish for 800 lumens) for $15-ish. They are rated to last 20,000 to 25,000 hours, which is double CFLs. Considering that the life of a CFL is supposedly more affected by how many times you turn the bulb on and off than LEDs, there's another plus. Most models are 2700k, which is warm like incandescents rather than the whiter 4100k of usual CFLs.

We haven't used incandescents for probably a decade in my hourse, so I don't even remember what the life from them looks like. I can't remember anything special. All of our CFLs are 2700k, so a warm/yellow light. The only 4100ks we have, I bought to use for my monitor backlight.
 

ShawnD1

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Considering that the life of a CFL is supposedly more affected by how many times you turn the bulb on and off than LEDs, there's another plus. Most models are 2700k, which is warm like incandescents rather than the whiter 4100k of usual CFLs.
At least 99% of fluorescent bulbs are 2700k. I had to go on a hunt to find 4100k, and I think Home Depot is the only store on the planet that sells 6500k (perfect for bathrooms). I have 1 bulb that is 3000k. I have no idea where that bulb came from, and I've never seen one sold in a store.
 

Dude111

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MeowKat said:
Anyone else hoarding incandescent bulbs?
Anyone who isnt SHOULD BE as they are slowly being replaced with pieces of garbage!! (Like everything is)
 

LTC8K6

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Once again, incandescent bulbs are not banned.

Inefficient incandescent bulbs are being banned.

You will have several incandescent options available to you.
 

disappoint

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The energy savings are overstated? What do you mean? A 13W CFL outputs 800 lumens, which is the same amount as a 60W incandescent. You can complain about color temperature/CRI, mercury content, bulb life, and other factors all you want, but that's an objective 78% energy savings, no two ways about it.

What will really bake your noodle is trying to calculate....something.

Allow me to explain. Most of the mercury in the oceans and hence environment, comes from electrical powerplants. If you lower the electricity consumed, you lower the mercury in the environment, but CFL production increases the mercury in the environment. You see where I'm going with this? You see the ironing?
 

Thebobo

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Same "tubes give a warmer sound" crowd?

I thoink a lot of incandescent folks are like that becuase its become a political issue. My party does not like so I will not as well. Just like Global warming etc...
 

Dirigible

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Same "tubes give a warmer sound" crowd?

I thoink a lot of incandescent folks are like that becuase its become a political issue. My party does not like so I will not as well. Just like Global warming etc...

I'm registered Green Party.

I hate cfls and refuse to use them.

 

Squisher

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Since there are no CFL or LED bulbs recommended for use in fully enclosed fixtures, what are we supposed to do?
 

Rakehellion

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I cant stand CFLs in certain rooms, especially my bedroom. They produce too many shadows IMO, unlike incandescents which are so strong that refracted light is able to illuminate shadows better.

Ever heard of a lamp shade?
 

MrColin

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I prefer CFL and LED because incandescent bulbs just don't last, the better efficiency is just a bonus.
 

FelixDeCat

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Once again, incandescent bulbs are not banned.

Inefficient incandescent bulbs are being banned.

You will have several incandescent options available to you.



Way to split hairs. Im not dead but Im going to die. So I will make a will. The best and brightest filament bulbs are not completely gone - yet - but they will by next year.
 
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