Anyone else liking the new 2017 Jaguar F-PACE?

richardycc

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looks pretty nice and starts at around $40k, a nicely equipped one and if you don't go crazy with every options can be had for around $52k MSRP. so it is obtainable for an average Joe like myself.
 

tsupersonic

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Looks ok, but I doubt your average Joe would be buying this. It's a Jag, therefore I would never own one long term. I'd much rather have a German/Japan alternative.
 

exar333

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Considered it last year when I order my Macan. Without driving it, its a bit hard to compare, but I have a few thoughts:

  • One of the best luxury/performance SUVs when configured <55k USD
  • REALLY nice performance options in the ~70k range vs. Macan S or Turbo
  • Went with the Macan due to it having air suspension option (which is amazing)
  • Jaguar reliability is a question mark (?)
  • Looks relatively nice, although have yet to see it in-person
 

A5

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looks pretty nice and starts at around $40k, a nicely equipped one and if you don't go crazy with every options can be had for around $52k MSRP. so it is obtainable for an average Joe like myself.

$52k is not "average joe" territory.
 

Mandres

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It's awfully expensive for a unibody, crossover-type SUV. I guess Jag is trying to take a page from Porsche's book but I don't see much reason for this (or the Cayenne) to even exist.
 

Topweasel

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$52k is not "average joe" territory.

It is for a reasonably sized SUV. It's part of the reason for the CUV craze. SUV's of any sort cost way more than they used too. 50k 6-7 years ago as an equipped Escalade cost. Now it's an ok Explorer built on the Taurus platform.

A fricken Tahoe starts at 47k.


It might still be "crossover" but as RWD based crossover, its closer to an SUV and it's size, it's about as SUV you can get in a crossover. So yeah if people are still buying these things like crazy (and they are) then 50k is apparently an average joe price.
 

Topweasel

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It's awfully expensive for a unibody, crossover-type SUV. I guess Jag is trying to take a page from Porsche's book but I don't see much reason for this (or the Cayenne) to even exist.

Easy the Cayenne made Porche from regular sports car manufacturer and almost exotic, to almost Ferrari like in fandom. Why? Because they created a car that catered to the Rich who couldn't drive very well and rich soccer mom's which allowed them to fund all their fun stuff.

Jag and Aston Martin should have been pumping out SUV's for more than a decade instead of a year and a half after gas prices dropped so low everyone and their mother has been buying them like crazy.
 

JulesMaximus

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Considered it last year when I order my Macan. Without driving it, its a bit hard to compare, but I have a few thoughts:

  • One of the best luxury/performance SUVs when configured <55k USD
  • REALLY nice performance options in the ~70k range vs. Macan S or Turbo
  • Went with the Macan due to it having air suspension option (which is amazing)
  • Jaguar reliability is a question mark (?)
  • Looks relatively nice, although have yet to see it in-person

How do you like the size of the Macan? I'd like my wife to drive one of these but I think it may be a bit too small for her.
 

exar333

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How do you like the size of the Macan? I'd like my wife to drive one of these but I think it may be a bit too small for her.

It's great, similar in size to a 3-series or the like for seating, but with more cargo options. Driving it is great, and I really recommend the air suspension for the low mode (handles great), standard ride height And 'off-road' with over 9'' of ground clearance. With torque vectoring, it handles like a great car and feels fantastic. Turns and handles confidently and cruises very nicely, and is extremely quiet. I'ts really my wife's car, but it's our only car for the next year as we live downtown and don't need (or want) the hassle of multiple vehicles. Absolutely love it. I would want bigger if I had 2-3 kids and I used it all the time, but for us (2) and regular/occasional passengers, it's ideal.
 

JulesMaximus

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It's great, similar in size to a 3-series or the like for seating, but with more cargo options. Driving it is great, and I really recommend the air suspension for the low mode (handles great), standard ride height And 'off-road' with over 9'' of ground clearance. With torque vectoring, it handles like a great car and feels fantastic. Turns and handles confidently and cruises very nicely, and is extremely quiet. I'ts really my wife's car, but it's our only car for the next year as we live downtown and don't need (or want) the hassle of multiple vehicles. Absolutely love it. I would want bigger if I had 2-3 kids and I used it all the time, but for us (2) and regular/occasional passengers, it's ideal.

My wife does the carpool to school for 3 teenage boys so we need something a little larger I think.
 

JulesMaximus

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There's always the Cayenne or Audi Q7 or MB GLS

Man, those are some expensive sleds though, especially once you start ticking the options boxes. We're still leaning toward the Lexus GX460 but I would like to drive the X5 before we pull the trigger.
 

PhoKingGuy

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Man, those are some expensive sleds though, especially once you start ticking the options boxes. We're still leaning toward the Lexus GX460 but I would like to drive the X5 before we pull the trigger.

One of my friends leased a Prius in SD and the salesguy at the time joked about how you could easily get 10-15k off MSRP on a landcruiser if you just asked.....if that somehow now enters the picture.
 

SearchMaster

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One of my friends leased a Prius in SD and the salesguy at the time joked about how you could easily get 10-15k off MSRP on a landcruiser if you just asked.....if that somehow now enters the picture.

"At the time" - meaning when gas was >$3.50/gal?
 

nk215

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Man, those are some expensive sleds though, especially once you start ticking the options boxes. We're still leaning toward the Lexus GX460 but I would like to drive the X5 before we pull the trigger.

I have the Cayenne S and my brother-in-law has the Lexus. There's no comparison between the 2. The Lexus drives like a boat in comparison.

The reason for a Macan is mostly because of the PDK transmission. Cayenne won't have that transmission for a while due to the fact that it can't handle the tow load of 5000 lbs.
 

JulesMaximus

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I have the Cayenne S and my brother-in-law has the Lexus. There's no comparison between the 2. The Lexus drives like a boat in comparison.

The reason for a Macan is mostly because of the PDK transmission. Cayenne won't have that transmission for a while due to the fact that it can't handle the tow load of 5000 lbs.

I drove the Lexus and thought it drove quite nicely. It is comfortable, smooth, quiet and it can actually go off-road.

I'd like to check out the Porsche but am concerned about reliability and maintenance costs. Getting my wife to go test drive one is like pulling teeth and no matter how much I like it the vehicle is ultimately going to be her car so she's the one who has to like it. They option up astronomically too and if you're looking at the S model those start at almost $20k more than the Lexus and if she's writing checks for $800-1000 every time she takes it in for maintenance she's going to complain.

Anyway, I'll add it to the short list of vehicles to at least test drive before we make a decision. I've driven the Mercedes-Benz GLE350 but still need to drive the X5 and now the Cayenne. Might see if she wants to drive the Mercedes too. I liked the Merc but wasn't blown away by it. She sat in it but hasn't driven one.
 

nk215

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I drove the Lexus and thought it drove quite nicely. It is comfortable, smooth, quiet and it can actually go off-road.

I'd like to check out the Porsche but am concerned about reliability and maintenance costs. Getting my wife to go test drive one is like pulling teeth and no matter how much I like it the vehicle is ultimately going to be her car so she's the one who has to like it. They option up astronomically too and if you're looking at the S model those start at almost $20k more than the Lexus and if she's writing checks for $800-1000 every time she takes it in for maintenance she's going to complain.

Anyway, I'll add it to the short list of vehicles to at least test drive before we make a decision. I've driven the Mercedes-Benz GLE350 but still need to drive the X5 and now the Cayenne. Might see if she wants to drive the Mercedes too. I liked the Merc but wasn't blown away by it. She sat in it but hasn't driven one.

Cayenne S is expensive for sure. It's also expensive to maintain. The base V6 cayenne is basically a VW so don't get that.

If the wife drives the car mostly then I would recommend a Lexus. The drive is significantly softer, quieter. The steering wheel is lighter also. I drove my wife Lexus (450h) for a few days and didn't care much for it. It's super nice but has no character. The wife loves it more than the loaded Cayenne S she drove previously (now handed down to me as my DD). With 3 kids, the RX could be a good candidate.

You should try the Macan just for laughs and giggles. It's a sport car in a SUV skin.

German vehicles are more expensive to up keep since parts are expensive, labor are expensive and many critical components are made of plastic. Rollers, water pump propellers fuel vent valves and fuel pumps are basically need to be replaced at around 80K-100K miles.
 

jdoggg12

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$52k is not "average joe" territory.

As someone looking to buy his first full size truck, tell that to all the F150, RAM, and Silverado owners that opted for just about anything more than base options... Moderately equipped full size trucks are easily creeping into the 50-60k range.
 

jdoggg12

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I'd like to check out the Porsche but am concerned about reliability and maintenance costs. Getting my wife to go test drive one is like pulling teeth and no matter how much I like it the vehicle is ultimately going to be her car so she's the one who has to like it. They option up astronomically too and if you're looking at the S model those start at almost $20k more than the Lexus and if she's writing checks for $800-1000 every time she takes it in for maintenance she's going to complain.
When my dad sold his "late life crisis" car, an E55, he replaced his wife's car with a Cayenne Turbo. It's crazy fast for an SUV but has also been very reliable, so far. It rides kind of like a BMW 7 series. I don't think there's THAT much difference in the ride/reliability between that and the S model
 

SSSnail

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Yeah, inflation is full on in the car industry, wages just haven't caught up to the average Joe yet, but he doesn't knew that either. Average loan is about $30k and almost 6 years term, but gotta have that sweet ride, amirite?

10 years car loan isn't far away, just like other countries... I hate to bring politics into this, but it's designed that way.

Speaking of which, the wife wants a new ride, lol.
 

richardycc

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my wife wants a new ride too. she got a 12 Acura RDX now, the logical choice is another RDX, and I can get one fully loaded with AWD and the Advance package for under $42k. A similarly equipped MB GLC or this F-PACE is probably another $8-10k more. decision, decision, decision....
 

exar333

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I drove the Lexus and thought it drove quite nicely. It is comfortable, smooth, quiet and it can actually go off-road.

I'd like to check out the Porsche but am concerned about reliability and maintenance costs. Getting my wife to go test drive one is like pulling teeth and no matter how much I like it the vehicle is ultimately going to be her car so she's the one who has to like it. They option up astronomically too and if you're looking at the S model those start at almost $20k more than the Lexus and if she's writing checks for $800-1000 every time she takes it in for maintenance she's going to complain.

Anyway, I'll add it to the short list of vehicles to at least test drive before we make a decision. I've driven the Mercedes-Benz GLE350 but still need to drive the X5 and now the Cayenne. Might see if she wants to drive the Mercedes too. I liked the Merc but wasn't blown away by it. She sat in it but hasn't driven one.

Considering Lexus and Porsche have been #1 and #2 in many reliability measures recently should make you a little more comfortable. Maintenance can get $$ at the dealer though, especially in SoCal. From the Macan Forum, there appears to be widely-different charges for oil changes, just for an example. I paid ~$160 for mine at the dealer recently (needed to do some recall work too, so it was more convenient) but that's not terrible considering it was ~$120 in parts ($8 quarts of oil + filter) and about $40 in labor for the change. Heard some folks in SoCal say it could be $200 or $450, depending on the dealer. Ouch!

The Cayenne does drive really well, but I do miss the PDK from the Macan. It is amazing.

I do want to test drive the F-Pace. Would like to see the diff between the standard and R-spec versions (IIRC).
 

fleshconsumed

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$52k is not "average joe" territory.
As someone looking to buy his first full size truck, tell that to all the F150, RAM, and Silverado owners that opted for just about anything more than base options... Moderately equipped full size trucks are easily creeping into the 50-60k range.

People notice those trucks on the road because they're big, but percentage wise they're a small fraction of all cars on the road. 50K, which is median US income is definitely not your average joe territory. IIRC a buddy of mine got a used 2014 Silverado in 2015, only a year old at that point with less than 20K miles for mid 20's. He let someone else eat the depreciation and got himself a nice truck for cheap. I think this happens a lot to luxury/expensive vehicles. A certain contingent of population buys them new and dumps them when they get bored because they have money to do so. From my admittedly limited experience the people who buy expensive cars don't keep them for more than 3-5 years. Heck, look at richardycc post just above, his wife has perfectly good '12 RDX now and she wants a new RDX/MB/F-Pace already. I mean good for them if they can afford it, but average Joe Schmoes don't buy these cars new.
 
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