The same amount when you see the difference in how much the "Presidential approval rating" diminishes
I wonder how many people out there who don't follow a single shred of news will be shocked by their first paycheck of the year in the next day or so...
It just tells me that you're once again attempting to employ a false equivalency. If you're in a negotiation and then attempt to implement the thing you just agreed not to implement, you are negotiating in bad faith. I do not view Obama not choosing to negotiate in bad faith over this to be evidence that his inclusion of a payroll tax cut in his initial offer was part of a convoluted ruse to introduce something he didn't want.
Not choosing to indulge evidence free flights of fancy is exactly that and nothing more. People accuse others of partisanship when they don't have a good argument of their own.
Ahh, so now you want to hold someone who wanted it but not badly enough to be equal to people who actively didn't want it at all. Makes total sense.
You seem pretty angry.
Better than your attitude of "the Republicans made him do it!"
So to you, evidently, he's only a little guilty of screwing the middle class?
Considering he dropped it to move closer to the republicans' position, of course. That's what negotiations do.
I think he is guilty of not pursuing good economic policy aggressively enough. We need more stimulus, and that was a good way of doing it. To act like he is equally guilty as those who are actively opposing good economic policy and stimulus is silliness.
And I think you trying to whitewash reality is silliness.
Both parties screwed the working class. Period.
I'm sorry, but repeating false equivalences doesn't make them any more right.
I give up. You're worse than Helen Keller. I bet I could piss off the top of a skyscraper and convince you its raining.
And I could pour water on you or piss on you and you would doggedly insist they were the same thing.
You insulted me by repeating my insult. Brilliant.
No I didn't, lol.
You were calling me naive by being able to fool me into thinking piss was rain. I was calling you stupid and obstinate for insisting that two things were equivalent despite them obviously not being so. I used pee as well to help highlight the difference.
The fact that you weren't able to figure that out explains a lot as to why you're having so much trouble with the rest of this thread.
The fact that you tried to insult my intelligence after getting that wrong is really the icing on the cake. Brilliant, indeed.
Still doesn't change the fact that your boy screwed over every working person, just like the Republicans.
I am lucky in that I recieved a 3% raise. But my paycheck is smaller due to funding an FSA this year.