brianmanahan
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Yep, going backwards yet more.
It's all good though, another step closer to Revolution.
wait, i thought you wanted higher taxes?
Yep, going backwards yet more.
It's all good though, another step closer to Revolution.
Yep, took a hit. House Republicans esteem for the middle class strikes again.
And surprise surprise, the usual crowd is hellbent on pining GOP fail on Obama, regardless of how stupid it makes them look.
After reading through the thread . . does anyone know the historical reason for caping SS earnings at ~$113k? I mean if Obama wanted more revenue from the rich, why not remove the cap but keep the rate at 4% for everyone? Don't you think that would have generated more net revenue yet kept the campaign promise of not hurting the middle class?
That is the lapse of the payroll tax exemption, and you can thank the House Republicans for that, not the President. Nice try blaming him, though.
Yep, took a hit. House Republicans esteem for the middle class strikes again.
And surprise surprise, the usual crowd is hellbent on pining GOP fail on Obama, regardless of how stupid it makes them look.
Neither side, short of a few, were willing to extend this.
Oh really? The Senate passed a SS payroll tax cut? Link please, I hadn't seen that.
Oh really? The Senate passed a SS payroll tax cut? Link please, I hadn't seen that.
It was part of Obama's stated negotiating position that was dropped as they went on. It was never part of the Republicans' position.
If you want to argue that Obama including it was part of a stealth way to get rid of it later...well...ok. There's no way anyone can prove or disprove that.
From a rational examination of each side's position as stated however it is clear that the Republicans didn't want it. Why is admitting this such a problem?
Obama is the leader of the Democratic party, correct?
Just be honest, for once. Neither party really wanted that tax cut, which affects all the proles.
That's real bipartisanship. They finally agreed on something.
Obama is the leader of the Democratic party, correct?
Just be honest, for once. Neither party really wanted that tax cut, which affects all the proles.
That's real bipartisanship. They finally agreed on something.
It was part of Obama's stated negotiating position that was dropped as they went on. It was never part of the Republicans' position.
If you want to argue that Obama including it was part of a stealth way to get rid of it later...well...ok. There's no way anyone can prove or disprove that.
From a rational examination of each side's position as stated however it is clear that the Republicans didn't want it. Why is admitting this such a problem?
Just so I'm clear, your argument is that if something is in your initial bargaining position and you later give it up to reach a compromise that it means you never wanted it to begin with and that it is the same as never wanting it in the first place?
That is baffling. Once again, some things are just objective reality.
My argument is that Mr. Obama, as the head of the Democratic party, could have insisted on the SS tax cut if he was really interested in keeping it.
He could have instructed his lackeys in Congress and the Senate to draft a budget according to his wishes and then put it up for a vote.
Stop covering, it makes you look like a partisan hack. Neither side cared about the middle. I can freely admit my side didn't give a damn. What does that say about you? I think we all know the answer.
He couldn't just have whatever he wanted, it was a long, drawn-out process where it wasn't clear they could cut any kind of deal until the very last minute.
I saw political posturing on both sides, so Obama or anyone else in the negotiations could have pushed to have this tax break remain in place. Yet no one ever mentioned extending the tax break.
I knew they would come to an agreement that magically saved our rears whilst kicking the can down the road.
This is not correct. Extending this tax break was in Obama's initial offer.
Obama Administration Not Sticking Up For Payroll Tax Cut
Your friends at Huffington Post seem to think administration wasn't intent getting the SS tax cut extended.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/26/payroll-tax-cut-obama-administration_n_2194356.html