Anyone else sick of HDR?

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Badly done HDR.

HDR shouldn't completely destroy pictures.

Properly done HDR enhances pictures because you can see all the details in pictures that have wildly different exposure requirements. Badly done ones will just look like shit.

This.

Um, what? HDR is great. Low lighting can actually be captured well, rather than washed out darkness from filtering down well-lit scenes, or having to deal with half of it being covered by the graininess of the sensors trying to compete against noise. They can people uber-pale, and plants uber-green, in Downton Abbey, thanks to having much more information when recorded to post-process than otherwise. I can take useable photos, in moderate light, of the poor treatment of a PC, before I go digging into it, and I'm no photographer.

What's not to like?

If someone takes a photograph and makes it look like crap, that's hardly the fault of technology getting better, any more than The Loudness War is.

I see blank white spaces. Maybe they're supposed to be pictures?

I think that's his point. It's overused and abused, much like autotune, where artistically deficient people are applying it excessively.

Sure, a bit of dynamic range compression is often good, kinda like how a lot of pictures would benefit from a small tweak, like a slight boost in contrast or saturation.
 

_Rick_

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The very problem with HDR is that you only ever need to use it, if your composition is shitty.

And with the picture scorpi0 posted, I was hoping that the HDR version would bring back the lost detail in the clipped highlights. Instead it boosted brightness and saturation of the darker stuff, completely ruining the picture.

Know the limitations of the photographic medium, and work with it. HDR is just a gimmick, like selective coloring, digital sepia filters, and whatever else is the current fad.
First you need to know what makes a good photo, from a motif and composition point of view, then you have to find/create such scenes, and the you can start to worry about lighting. A good photog will set up some flash lights to bring out the detail in darker parts of the picture, if it's needed. HDR filters are very much to blame, since they always destroy a picture. Hand-crafted HDR on the other hand (using all the sensor data to get some detail in highlight and shadows) can help to make a better picture.

As for the point of HDR in games: That's kind of inverting the issue, because you can have high in-engine luminance, but your screen has shitty low dynamic range in most cases (and provides just a tiny window into the game world), so by using bloom effects, you can simulate the transition from dark to bright environments, for example. Essentially, you're simulating the reaction of the retina to new lighting effects on-screen. It's a bit rubbish, but if done well it can create a more believable environment, since indoor/outdoor transitions are more believable. It's a much more relevant feature than in photography, where wide-range lighting is going to break your image, no matter what you do.

And it's not the camera even, that's the problem, but rather the medium you use to visualize the image, that's ultimately going to get you. So be aware, that you're photographing for print, or the screen, and just give up on shots where the contrast is too high. They'll look shitty whatever you do.
 

Exterous

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Jun 20, 2006
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The problem with HDR is that too many go overboard in its use and things look weird as a result

Seriously. I was looking at some Real Estate photos and overdone HDR images of the backyard seem to be the new hot item. Oddly enough one of them still had shitty, grainy crooked pictures of the interior
 

CountZero

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The very problem with HDR is that you only ever need to use it, if your composition is shitty.

And with the picture scorpi0 posted, I was hoping that the HDR version would bring back the lost detail in the clipped highlights. Instead it boosted brightness and saturation of the darker stuff, completely ruining the picture.

Know the limitations of the photographic medium, and work with it. HDR is just a gimmick, like selective coloring, digital sepia filters, and whatever else is the current fad.
First you need to know what makes a good photo, from a motif and composition point of view, then you have to find/create such scenes, and the you can start to worry about lighting. A good photog will set up some flash lights to bring out the detail in darker parts of the picture, if it's needed. HDR filters are very much to blame, since they always destroy a picture. Hand-crafted HDR on the other hand (using all the sensor data to get some detail in highlight and shadows) can help to make a better picture.

As for the point of HDR in games: That's kind of inverting the issue, because you can have high in-engine luminance, but your screen has shitty low dynamic range in most cases (and provides just a tiny window into the game world), so by using bloom effects, you can simulate the transition from dark to bright environments, for example. Essentially, you're simulating the reaction of the retina to new lighting effects on-screen. It's a bit rubbish, but if done well it can create a more believable environment, since indoor/outdoor transitions are more believable. It's a much more relevant feature than in photography, where wide-range lighting is going to break your image, no matter what you do.

And it's not the camera even, that's the problem, but rather the medium you use to visualize the image, that's ultimately going to get you. So be aware, that you're photographing for print, or the screen, and just give up on shots where the contrast is too high. They'll look shitty whatever you do.

BS, HDR allows you to pull together a composition you could not otherwise pull together. It is grossly overused and abused but at the end of the day if the photographer likes the results that's all that matters.

Declaring that any composition that uses HDR is inherently shitty is completely close minded. Might as well claim Ansel Adams use of black and white makes him a hack because he couldn't compose in color. Or that use of ND or graduated filters aren't real photography.

You may not like it and people may use it when it isn't technically needed but claiming it is always bad is ignorant.
 

SSSnail

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Oh, you mean instagram?

HDR - allowing shit photos to look interesting and ”artistic” since inception.
 

Platypus

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it's heavily overused and abused, so much so that a picture not looking like a fucking thomas kinkade painting is the exception, not the rule.
 

SMOGZINN

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You know what I"m really sick of? Top 10 anythings. Really, are we incapable of reading anything that is not put in a small list of numbered things for us anymore?
 

foghorn67

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The problem with HDR is, it's chasing something that isn't possible but totally possible.
Bear with me.

Digital cameras have limited dynamic range. The answer is to boost shadows and scale back the highlights. Or combine multiple exposures and bring out the best of both shadows and high detail in one image.
This has side effects that can be pleasing to some and appalling to others. Edge enhancements, smoothing and halo effects are among the effects.

To avoid this, some people hack their sensors (Magic Lantern) to expand dynamic range by many stops, some spend hours in post process to exact the same detail and info that can be perceived by a human eye.

But...here is the kicker.....the human eye has limited dynamic range....the same as most cameras.
However, behind eyes are the fastest optical data buses and the fastest images processors in the world. I don't know how powerful, but maybe Canon Digic 5 x eleventy billion? Sounds scientific.
When folks try to reel in a HDR image to human perception, it kind of doesn't work.
That's why, it's our perception.
 

_Rick_

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Apr 20, 2012
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You know what I"m really sick of? Top 10 anythings. Really, are we incapable of reading anything that is not put in a small list of numbered things for us anymore?

But how do we turn it into a gallery then, so we can maximize page views and adviews? That's not how the internet works!?
 

zCypher

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lol @ HDR hate. It can be botched and overdone, just like anything else. It has nothing to do with Instagram though. Instagram has a few filters, usually they ruin a pic. Occasionally there's one or two that are alright. None have Anything to do with HDR.

HDR is just a better tonal range. In post processing you can achieve similar effects with a single exposure by changing highlights, shadows, clarity, lights and darks, etc etc. But HDR (using multiple exposures instead of one) allows you to merge the good details in the dark tones with the good details of the light tones, without having to choose one or the other. So in the ideal circumstances you have two, three or more identical shots of varying exposures to get the best detail across the tonal range. It is up to the individual whether they use the additional detail to overdo effects available in certain software or not.

Simply merging the exposures, properly done, gives you a better picture, unless you wanted less tonal range. Period. The rest with all the exaggerated BS is nothing more than going overboard with effects, which is not really HDR, but, just going overboard with effects. I'm willing to bet many pics you have enjoyed have been HDR and you didn't even realize it.
 

yhelothar

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I find myself having better results manually selecting highlights from a lower exposure photos and inserting them in than working with photoshop's filter.

Photoshop's filter tends to give things the soft, oversaturated, glowy, and edgy look.
 
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