Anyone gaming on a 1070ti at 4k?

[crazzy.heartz]

Well, I moved from 27" 1440p which I've been on for last several years, so intimately familiar with how it looks vs my 40" 4k screen. Still have the 1440p unit in my 2nd rig with the 1070. On the 40" screen, an apple looks like an apple with all its fine details and textures. On the 27" screen, an apple looks like a cherry, not as immersive, everything shrunk down in size, textures too indistinct. Never moving back to less than 30" regardless of FPS, Hz or otherwise.

Completely agree with your logic and have been contemplating the same myself, for the next Monitor+GPU purchase. I presume that's a 40" 4K TV that you're utilizing as a PC monitor. Is that so?

I'm too looking to purchase something similar, as in a large screen with pixels that don't look too big, and 40/43" 4K TV seems to fit the bill perfectly. Only thing i'm concerned about is flickering. Most models use PWM to dim the backlit and employ a 120 or 240 Hz flicker frequency for the same. Have you noticed anything of sort /off putting in your experience?

 

[amenx]

Completely agree with your logic and have been contemplating the same myself, for the next Monitor+GPU purchase. I presume that's a 40" 4K TV that you're utilizing as a PC monitor. Is that so?

I'm too looking to purchase something similar, as in a large screen with pixels that don't look too big, and 40/43" 4K TV seems to fit the bill perfectly. Only thing i'm concerned about is flickering. Most models use PWM to dim the backlit and employ a 120 or 240 Hz flicker frequency for the same. Have you noticed anything of sort /off putting in your experience?

No flickering at all and very smooth experience on mine which is a Samsung 40" Ku7000. It is basically the same panel as the 40KU6400 only with smart features. There is a big thread on this TV used as a PC monitor @ overclockers.com. Most users seem impressed and is what prompted me to buy mine. Several newer models have appeared since but am not in the loop as to performance, improvements, features, etc, but are often discussed in that thread and compared. 40" imo is the sweet spot for TVs as monitors. Any bigger may be too unwieldy or impractical. Have mine wall mounted about an inch above my desktop.

 

[crazzy.heartz]

No flickering at all and very smooth experience on mine which is a Samsung 40" Ku7000. It is basically the same panel as the 40KU6400 only with smart features. There is a big thread on this TV used as a PC monitor @ overclockers.com. Most users seem impressed and is what prompted me to buy mine. Several newer models have appeared since but am not in the loop as to performance, improvements, features, etc, but are often discussed in that thread and compared. 40" imo is the sweet spot for TVs as monitors. Any bigger may be too unwieldy or impractical. Have mine wall mounted about an inch above my desktop.

I've been eyeing their 2018 series Samsung NU 7100 (they've just released it's 2019 version RU 7100 as well ) Both appear to be using a similar panel. Not much different than your TV, except new panels have dropped Wide Color Gamut found on Ku7000. Samsung's 8000 series features AMD Freesync but that's out of my budget; so is an RTX 2080. I reckon a Vega 56 with it's 8GB HBM or the upcoming Navi refresh could enable Ultra Textures which would enable me to game at 30fps min with AA/Blur/SSAO/etc filters switched off @4K.

Appreciate you sharing that discussion thread. Browsing through the same, it appears that PWM thing appears to differ on a person to person basis. One user reported getting headaches from using the 40" Samsung as a monitor and is now looking to purchase a Sony (X720E) that's flicker free. An inferior panel, compared to Samsung's but that PWM conundrum.. I also have a 32" 1080p Samsung LCD and I didn't experience any headaches using that as a monitor.

 

[PrincessFrosty]

My 1080 Ti gets a constant 60fps for 4K in 95% of the games I've tried. A few recent games can't sustain that and are more like 40-50fps, but even there I can often get 60fps by turning down a few graphical settings that cause a big performance hit for little visual improvement. A few other games drop to the 30s in some areas regardless of the graphical settings, and are either CPU limited or just poorly optimized (Dishonored 2 comes to mind).

I've read this about Dishonered 2 in a few places, and also that SLI support is sketchy as well. My experience being late to the game, in that I only started playing it a month ago is that I get a rock solid 60fps with all the settings maxed at 4k including TXAA which surprised me quite a lot. When was the last time you played it, out of interest? I can't help but feel it's been majorly improved in patches since launch.

I'm genuinely surprised to see a 1080Ti struggling, my upgrade decision about whether to trade up to a 1080Ti or add a 2nd 1080 in SLI has been kinda vindicated by this and a few other games. One thing is for sure, it's an incredibly good looking game, not just in terms of graphics but also art direction and style, it has this amazing painterly look.

 

[mohit9206]

1070ti is fine for 4K gaming. Because you don't need to play on anything more than High at 4K so 4K 60 is doable. Unless one has OCD and must play at highest settings.

 

[mopardude87]

I'm too looking to purchase something similar, as in a large screen with pixels that don't look too big, and 40/43" 4K TV seems to fit the bill perfectly.

Yeah my 40'' has a slighter higher ppi then my 27'' 1440p so it feels like a real upgrade overall. Anything bigger and well it starts to be more of a downgrade. I can see why 8k may be a thing sooner rather then later for the bigger screens. Even my buddy who owns a 65'' 4k as a gaming monitor had a look at my set up and was like it looked better then his.

Given my current mounting of this screen and my 4 feet or so i sit away from this thing,it's been rather perfect. My bed being back about 5 feet away the experience is miles better then huddling close to a 27'' 1440p. I went from having 65'' inches of room from one wall where my setup sat to the far right side of my bed with the 27'' setup and rearranged it where i got 85'' inches of room for the 40''. I have opened up my room tremendously from the previous set up. Was to much having the 40'' in my face on my desk with the previous set up anyways.

Edit: Yeah i like being lazy sometimes and just lay in my bed and watch some Hulu or Netflix or Youtube. Now having a remote for this smart t.v just allows me to be a bit more lazier. Oh if only my popcorn can make itself and come to me on its own! Having back issues it was a chore to lean forward and deal with the keyboard set up from the bed. Don't miss it for a damn second.

 

[amenx]

^ thats one of the reasons I went 4k 40". Virtually all my gaming is with a controller and that allows me to sit back more comfortably in my chair. I cant do that with 27", it becomes too distant and small.

 

[mopardude87]

^ thats one of the reasons I went 4k 40". Virtually all my gaming is with a controller and that allows me to sit back more comfortably in my chair. I cant do that with 27", it becomes too distant and small.

I did a little controller gaming playing Rocket League and from my chair on the 27'' it felt kind of weird. From the bed the screen was a bit to small. I could maybe go back to it now. I could just sit on the bed and just enjoy it as it was meant to be. Having a small screen a few feet away from you with the controller took me back to the NES days though lol. Not sure if i miss those days.

 

[CP5670]

I've read this about Dishonered 2 in a few places, and also that SLI support is sketchy as well. My experience being late to the game, in that I only started playing it a month ago is that I get a rock solid 60fps with all the settings maxed at 4k including TXAA which surprised me quite a lot. When was the last time you played it, out of interest? I can't help but feel it's been majorly improved in patches since launch.

I'm genuinely surprised to see a 1080Ti struggling, my upgrade decision about whether to trade up to a 1080Ti or add a 2nd 1080 in SLI has been kinda vindicated by this and a few other games. One thing is for sure, it's an incredibly good looking game, not just in terms of graphics but also art direction and style, it has this amazing painterly look.

I played it earlier this year, which I think was after all the patches. It's only certain maps that have poor performance, not the whole game. I remember Clockwork Mansion and Aramis Stilton's Manor frequently tanking the framerate if you looked in certain directions or opened the time travel gem, probably due to all the hidden geometry in those maps. I think it gets CPU limited, and probably by single-threaded performance so not sure how much a newer CPU would improve it. Perhaps not coincidentally, those are some of the best and most creative maps I've seen in any game. As you said, the game looks fantastic, more because of its artistic style and level design than anything else. The other maps generally ran at a flat 60fps.

 

[crazzy.heartz]

Having a remote for this smart t.v just allows me to be a bit more lazier. Oh if only my popcorn can make itself and come to me on its own! Having back issues it was a chore to lean forward and deal with the keyboard set up from the bed. Don't miss it for a damn second.

Remote is one of the Biggest advantages IMO.

I always have 2 or more input streams hooked up to my Monitor / TV and switching them via remote is the easiest.

Also, split screen co-op with family/friends is lot more enjoyable on a Bigger Screen.

I'm feeling more confident now switching to a 4k TV with 1070/Ti/RX 56/64 calibre graphics card.

A little off topic here, but - short walk & then Yoga + Stretching works wonders to alleviate back pain.. only catch is you've got to do it everyday. I too have had it for a looong time..

 

[mopardude87]

Remote is one of the Biggest advantages IMO.

I always have 2 or more input streams hooked up to my Monitor / TV and switching them via remote is the easiest.

A little off topic here, but - short walk & then Yoga + Stretching works wonders to alleviate back pain.. only catch is you've got to do it everyday. I too have had it for a looong time..

This Samsung is amazing cause if i press the home button a small menu type deal pops over my desktop and i can launch apps without having to deal with the inputs. When i am done i just hit exit and i am right back at the desktop. I can also for example launch Netflix, shut the tv off and when i turn it back on it just resumes its last activities which was whatever was on last. Its so far the coolest smart tv i have ever seen in that regard. I have seen other smart/Roku tvs not even do this.

The back issues are from a worn disc from a slip and fall, just seems like so little i can do before i run into issues with it. There was times i went for a short walk to the mail box and by the time i was halfway back i was arched over like a hunchback in pain crawling almost . Even standing still in front of a sink doing some dishes i end up with some discomfort.Hoping next weeks dr appointment has some results in alleviating some of this. It's gotten better but i hear something like this can last years.

 

[Furious_Styles]

This Samsung is amazing cause if i press the home button a small menu type deal pops over my desktop and i can launch apps without having to deal with the inputs. When i am done i just hit exit and i am right back at the desktop. I can also for example launch Netflix, shut the tv off and when i turn it back on it just resumes its last activities which was whatever was on last. Its so far the coolest smart tv i have ever seen in that regard. I have seen other smart/Roku tvs not even do this.

The back issues are from a worn disc from a slip and fall, just seems like so little i can do before i run into issues with it. There was times i went for a short walk to the mail box and by the time i was halfway back i was arched over like a hunchback in pain crawling almost . Even standing still in front of a sink doing some dishes i end up with some discomfort.Hoping next weeks dr appointment has some results in alleviating some of this. It's gotten better but i hear something like this can last years.

Sorry to hear that. From my experince here is my advice:
1) Watch out for the opiates/addictive pills.
2) Surgery only when absolutely necessary.
3) PT is a must.
4) Rest and time are important but it should not take years to recover.

 

[mopardude87]

Sorry to hear that. From my experince here is my advice:
1) Watch out for the opiates/addictive pills.
2) Surgery only when absolutely necessary.
3) PT is a must.
4) Rest and time are important but it should not take years to recover.

Yeah when i first was dealing with it,i was given some SUPER strong muscle relaxers and some Hydro and well i certainly welcomed either the Hydro or death cause of how bad the pain was.The muscle relaxers were so strong i am sure it would have knocked down a elephant.I never took those again lol. I keep hearing different things about the recovery time but resting is one thing i have been good at.

Sorry mods for the off topic but these kind people are offering advice i much welcome.

 

[Furious_Styles]

Yeah when i first was dealing with it,i was given some SUPER strong muscle relaxers and some Hydro and well i certainly welcomed either the Hydro or death cause of how bad the pain was.The muscle relaxers were so strong i am sure it would have knocked down a elephant.I never took those again lol. I keep hearing different things about the recovery time but resting is one thing i have been good at.

Sorry mods for the off topic but these kind people are offering advice i much welcome.

Yeah just PM me if you have any questions, I'd be happy to help any way I can.

 

[crazzy.heartz]

Sorry mods for the off topic but these kind people are offering advice i much welcome.

I apologize for deviating the discussion off course but I've suffered through back issues for 10+ years myself.

Back pain is a deadlock. Sitting / standing still / lying in bed for prolonged period triggers/aggravates it (if very overweight / past injury) and since one is in so much pain, there's nothing else to do but to Sit/ lie down.. & the vicious cycle continues.

Only way to keep it at bay is to walk everyday, if possible (once you are able). Corrective steps would vary in accordance to vertebra in question but, next thing would be to incorporate Yoga/stretching movements into your daily routine (under the guidance of an able chiropractor), preferably after a short walk that warms up the whole body.

Always keep your emphasis on these two (walk & Stretch) , vs pain killers/anti inflammatory meds. You can gradually add more walk time / incorporate more complex movements as your back heals.

Also, when in pain, drink a cup of warm milk with a pinch of Turmeric (Curcuma longa) powder. It's a ginger like root that you can grind to a fine powder, along few black pepper seeds. Better than meds IMO..

 

[mopardude87]

Also, when in pain, drink a cup of warm milk with a pinch of Turmeric (Curcuma longa) powder. It's a ginger like root that you can grind to a fine powder, along few black pepper seeds. Better than meds IMO..

Thank you for the suggestion. The pain hasn't been so terrible enough lately to take any sort of pills not that i have any left anyways. I try and avoid the meds anyways cause of how sensitive i can sometimes be to medication. It's been more major discomfort then pain that has me on limitations. More annoyed about the changes to the quality of life then anything else.

Yeah just PM me if you have any questions, I'd be happy to help any way I can.

Thank you very much.

 

[abufrejoval]

In the recent past I have had: GTX 980ti, 1070 (desktop and mobile), 1060, 1080ti and RTX 2080ti.
I actually used to run ATI and Nvidia side-by-side, but the last ATI, an R290X, screamed into oblivion using 250 Watts at THD.

Monitors were 1920x1200, 1920x1080 and then came 4k...

To make a long story short: Everything below the RTX 2080ti disappointed. Plenty of the cards advertised 4k, all of them could do 2D at 4K (and so can various Atoms, even my $99 Jetson Nano, albeit at 30FPS), but when it comes to moving gaming from 1920x1080 to 4k, only the RTX 2080ti delivered in full.

What I mean by "in full":
The GTX 980ti turned out to be pretty much the exact same performance as the GTX 1070... at half the power consumption. But even the GTX 1060, a slightly overclocked but completely "overcooled" MSI (actually phyiscally bigger than even the RTX2080ti, but has the unique advantage of being "unheard") can do 1920x1080 at ultra settings in every game I've ever run.

So all these intermediate GPUs, above the (good) GTX1060 (which performs at a very similar level as a "bad"/mini 1070) are fine-to-overkill for that standard THD resolution at any quality setting.

Just like they all, including the GTX 1080ti, which I specifically bought in preparation for the 4k upgrade, fail, when you quadruple the graphics workload. Unfortunately that's exactly what happens when you go to 4k: Four times as many pixels.

The pain I felt with the newly purchased GTX 1080ti on the even newer 43" 4K screen after launching my favorite game, is something that I won't forget. I didn't matter that it performed just fine at 3K... At 43" you can see the difference!

So from that point on, unless you go with the RTX 2080ti (or better), you'll have to tune and compromise. There will be games, that work with a 1070, a 1080, 2060 or whatnot even at 4k. There will be settings that will get these games to work at 4k or you can leave everything at epic/ultra but reduce the resolution. If you are happy to try or your 4k monitor is really too small to show the difference, you may be satisfied.

I replaced various 24" monitors with a single 43" screen and I sit close enough to tell the difference. Unfortunately I also happened to play ARK Survival Evolved, which just loves to eat hardware, much more than many other titles I tried.

So I went and bought the big beast, tax deductible because it use it for machine learning. It may be outrageously priced, a beast, unfair or whatever. But it does deliver on 4k what the 1060 delivered at THD: Acceptable performance without tuning those settings.

I then rotated all these other GPUs among the many members of my family and made them all happier.

That screen is practially guaranteed to be the cheapest part of 4K you purchased.

Remember that when 8K comes around...

 

[mopardude87]

So from that point on, unless you go with the RTX 2080ti (or better), you'll have to tune and compromise. There will be games, that work with a 1070, a 1080, 2060 or whatnot even at 4k. There will be settings that will get these games to work at 4k or you can leave everything at epic/ultra but reduce the resolution.

Yeah i had to drop BF1 from maxed out with a constant 60+ at 1440p to shutting off ambient occlusion,low effects and lightning and its not looking nearly as nice as it did at 1440p. But i did move from a 27'' to a 40'' so i did make a real upgrade.Yeah i do plan on a next gen upgrade but i don't think a ball park 50-60% fps difference warrants a $1000+ price tag currently.If i upgrade i plan to make it count.

I play more W101 and Overwatch then anything and both are fine maxed out.

 

[Massive79]

I think 1070ti on 4k gaming is on the bottom standard line level. If you must play in 4k, I think it would be wise to upgrade at least to 1080Ti or 2080 for enjoying game and other stuff to the max.
Since I think even the current VGA only doing average if played in 4k, you're in high budget zone bro

 

[mopardude87]

I think 1070ti on 4k gaming is on the bottom standard line level. If you must play in 4k, I think it would be wise to upgrade at least to 1080Ti or 2080 for enjoying game and other stuff to the max.
Since I think even the current VGA only doing average if played in 4k, you're in high budget zone bro

Yeah its been a while, i am on a 1080ti and i am gaming on a freesync 1080p panel now.