anyone have a 27" Apex TV?

Kaido

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I'm wondering if it's any good...Sam's Club has it for $160 here. It has s-video, component, 2 AV inputs and 1 AV output, a flat screen, and a remote. Looks like a great basic TV. I want one to hook up to my laptop via s-video for watching DVDs. Comments?
 

AnitaPeterson

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I have a 20" APEX, and some friends of ours have a 27"... it's OK but don't expect Trinitron, Tau or Ultravision quality.
 

maddogchen

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Stay away from Apex. They might not be around in the future...


This dynamic has been highlighted by the story of Apex Digital, the American consumer electronics brand, and the Sichuan Changhong Electric Appliance Company, the large Chinese television maker that produced most of the televisions for Apex.

Last month, Changhong said Apex owed it $467.5 million, and as a result, it would post a big loss for 2004. David Ji, Apex's chairman, has been arrested by Chinese authorities and has been charged with fraud. While the substance of the dispute remains unclear, it shows how difficult the electronics business can be.

Apex, which has sold inexpensive sets through Wal-Mart, Circuit City, and other retail outlets, largely pulled out of the low-end television business in the middle of last year, industry executives say. While Apex's troubles may be substantial, the effect on consumers is likely to be modest, and only at the very lowest end of the TV market.

"Apex TV's are sold at grocery stores," said Riddhi Patel, a senior analyst for iSuppli, a research firm in El Segundo, Calif. "Their 20-inch TV is $79, a ridiculously low price. The next price up is $89-$100, so retailers will miss out on those consumers who wanted a $79 TV."

Marietta Schoenherz, the director of public relations at Apex, declined to say if the company was still in the tube television business or to comment on the status of Mr. Ji. Reuters, however, quoted Ms. Schoenherz as saying that Mr. Ji was returning to the United States this week to attend a trade show.

She said the company was in negotiations with Changhong. "We have a business dispute that is being addressed," she said, declining to elaborate. Changhong says its last shipments to Apex were in April 2004.

Apex, which is based in Ontario, Calif., came to prominence several years ago, by using Chinese manufacturing to make DVD players that were far cheaper than Japanese and Korean-made machines. But as others started making DVD players in China, the prices for the devices fell far below $100, forcing Apex to look around for other markets. Two years ago, Apex entered the American television market with sets made by Changhong, one of the largest makers of TV's for China's domestic market.

But the television market has been fiercely competitive, and Apex's strategy of making TV's in China has been a disadvantage. Most tube televisions for the North American market are now made in Mexico because of the cost of shipping.

Moreover, last April, the Commerce Department imposed a tariff of 24.48 percent on sets made by Changhong and imported into the United States, accusing the Chinese company of selling goods below cost, a practice known as dumping. Other Chinese TV makers also have to pay tariffs of 4 percent to 78 percent.

Nancy Dang, an analyst with iSuppli in Shanghai, noted that Changhong exported about two million sets in 2004, the same as in 2003. She added that the company intended to overcome the high tariffs imposed on it by the Commerce Department by shipping televisions to the United States via Turkey, where they will be assembled. Other Chinese manufacturers like Konka and Skyworth, she said, may set up plants in Mexico.

The imposition of the tariffs appears to have caused Apex to pull out of the conventional TV market.

"Apex has caused the collapse in television prices," said Don Benji, president of Benji-26, a Los Angeles electronics distributor.

Mr. Benji added that prices had not risen, even as Apex pulled back, largely because consumers are increasingly buying flat-screen televisions rather than tube models.

"The supply is good, but the demand is not there for tube sets," he said.

TCL, the other large Chinese maker, has not had problems in the United States. It formed a joint venture with the television business of Thomson, which sells TV's under the RCA brand. But most of its sets are made in Mexico and Thailand and not subject to the tariff.

"Less than 10 percent of our TV's come from China," said Dave Arland, a spokesman for TCL-Thomson Electronics. "Anything larger than 27 inches is counterintuitive to make in China due to shipping costs."

Apex, too, has tried to move to higher-price products, like L.C.D. televisions, portable video players, and DVD recorders. But it has yet to make a significant mark in these markets.

Retailers are hardly mourning Apex's troubles. While many carried its products, many also saw the company as the symbol of how products with extremely low prices can lead to a sharp decline in prices and profit margins.

Sears, for example, has sold Apex televisions to help it appear to compete with discounters like Wal-Mart, but it mainly hopes to persuade customers to buy more expensive models when they arrive at the store, said Lauren Jiles-Johnson, a Sears spokeswoman.

"Any retailer without a low price point in their newspaper ad creates the perception that your merchandise is overpriced," she said.

Best Buy, meanwhile, severed its relationship with Apex about a year ago and now buys its low-end televisions directly and sells them under a house brand, Impulse, a spokeswoman said. She declined to say where those sets were made.

The low end of the television market will be shaken again as the government phases in a requirement that all new sets have tuners that can receive digital broadcasts. All sets over 13 inches will need digital tuners by 2007. This digital tuner, mainly meant for high-definition televisions, will add several hundred dollars in cost, at least at first, to sets so small that they cannot display high- definition signals effectively. Still, manufacturers like TCL are expecting a new market to emerge in small digital sets.

"We're expanding our effort in inexpensive small-screen standard- definition digital TV's," Mr. Arland said. Still, he said, "we do not want to be the cheapest guy to bring digital TV to mass-market America."
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kaymin

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My friend bought a 20" apex for like 80 bucks or something. I don't know if he noticed but i did. The quality fo the picture is godawful, especially when you compare it to my 20" Tau. The remote it horrible. You'll prob get cramps pressing those buttons. Just keep in mind you get what you pay for.
 

manly

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I have that exact model. Worst thing about APEX is that the volume is too loud (even at the minimal setting). As kaymin pointed out, the remote is poor. Otherwise, it's been a good TV set.

Do most laptops work well as DVD players hooked up to TVs?
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: manly
I have that exact model. Worst thing about APEX is that the volume is too loud (even at the minimal setting). As kaymin pointed out, the remote is poor. Otherwise, it's been a good TV set.

Do most laptops work well as DVD players hooked up to TVs?

yeah, that's exactly what I'm getting it for. I've hooked my laptop up to a couple of my TVs and DVD quality looks great even through RF input (s-video to composite video cable, hooked to the VCR, which was hooked to the TV via RF). I figure, why not put my tax return to good use

This is going to be my tax return toy. I think I'm getting back around $300, but I don't want to spend it all on a TV. Any other good suggestions in the 20 - 27" range for less than $300 with a flatscreen? I'm going to go by Sams Club sometime this week and check it out.
 

iversonyin

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stay away from it. spend a little bit more on Panasonic. Sony has sharp and crisp picture, but well overpriced.
 

dak125

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I have a 24" incher, it's done me well for 1.5 years or so. It was the perfect dorm room TV and streaming movies from my pc to the TV worked like a charm. Can't beat it.

I will say Apex customer support is a joke. Once that initial warranty is up you're screwed (unless you get an extended one of course).
 

Farbio

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had the 27"er for well over 2 years here. not the greatest picture quality in the world and the remote is a bit annoying, but for the 199 i paid for it 2 years ago, definitely been worth it
 

Bullhonkie

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We've got a 27" flatscreen back from some MSN dollars deal here a few years ago. It's been fine as a basic TV set. Picture quality won't knock your socks off, but we haven't had any problems and it does just what we need it to (display SDTV).
 

waggy

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I would NEVER buy another Apex. I owned a DVD player and had to return it after a year. The exchange broke after 6 months and that return broke after another 6 months. FORGET IT. i will never own one again.
 

RossMAN

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We have a 13" Apex purchased from Amazon.com for $59.99

It's worked just fine, no problems.
 

kami333

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Bought a 27" Apex from CC 2.5years ago for $170 (it was the floor model).

Can't complain for the price, the volume is hard to adjust and flipping through the channels is slow but otherwise I'm happy with it. I think it makes a great dorm tv, something that can be replaced in a couple of years when you actually have money for something nice.
 

PanzerIV

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My first DVD player was a cheapo Apex. It served me fine for the less than a year I had it but I gave it to my dad when I bought a better DVD player. He only had it a few months when one day it literally started smoking and the scent of burning electronics wafted across the room. Needless to say neither of us plan on buying that brand again.
 

dullard

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Apex tempted me as well. That was until I saw the floor models were all physically breaking due to their cheap plastic cases and when all reviews had categories like this:
[*]Excellent (a few TVs),
[*]Very good (most TVs),
[*]Good (a few TVs),
[*]Poor (no TVs), and finally the the bottom
[*]Apex.
Sell your blood plasma one time, and use that extra money to get a much better TV.
 

CraigRT

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it's cheap, but it works
my cousin bought it for his parents
just basic, but good size for the price
 

Shame

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I have one in my bedroom, but I would pass on it for the main TV in the living room.
 

ChinamanatNCSU

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I bought a 27" apex two black fridays ago. My sentiments pretty much just echo everyone else's in the thread. It's nice if you're on a budget, but don't expect much from it. My roommate has a 24" toshiba and the picture quality is much better, but he paid twice as much for it as I did for mine.
 
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