Anyone here do any deep sea fishing? Update: I'm back!!!

JulesMaximus

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I'm going out on a boat next month for 2 days off the coast of San Diego/Mexico with some friends. I have a cheap spool rod/reel setup for ocean fishing but this probably isn't ideal for the type of fish we will be catching (Albacore, Bluefin, Yellowfin, Dorado, and Yellowtail).

They rent equipment but I wouldn't be opposed to buying my own in the $200-300 range for rod/reel combo. My friend and his brother are experienced at this and have some gear and have told me that a two speed reel from Daiwa, Shimano, AVET or Penn would be fine.

I know virtually nothing about this. I've been out on half day boats and caught sea bass but this is completely different. The trip is already booked so I'm going for sure.

Anyway, recommend me some gear AT fishermen! :biggrin:

Trip Report:

Well, I got back from our trip yesterday (I say our because I went with a few friends). We left Friday night out of H&M Landing on the Legend, 30 anglers and I think 6 crew. We motored out to the bait dock and filled up with bait and then spent the rest of the night motoring out to the fishing grounds off the coast of northern Mexico. About 40-50 nautical miles from San Diego. We fished Saturday from dawn till dusk and again Sunday from dawn until around 1PM when we stowed the rods and headed back to San Diego. We arrived around 6PM.

The boat caught 199 yellowfin tuna, 55 yellowtail and 3 dorado between 30 anglers. I caught 2 yellowfin, one of the guys with us caught 10 yellowfin and 2 yellowtail, everyone else in our group was around 2 fish per person. Fish were around 15-20lb each. We split up the fish at the end of the day yesterday so I have 4 1 gallon bags full of yellowfin tuna. I probably have a good 15 lbs of tuna. I gave some to my boss (because I'm a kiss ass and he is an avid fisherman and LOVES fresh fish) I'm going to cook some up tomorrow night and the rest is going in the freezer in vacuum sealed bags.

This is me holding one of the fish I caught.


Couple things, you definitely want two rods and reels. Set one up for bait fishing and one up for jigs. Makes it easier to transition from one to the other. The boat had 4 trolling rods out while we were moving and those caught fish nearly every time the boat was on the move sometimes 2 or 3 at a time. Also, I went too heavy on the line. 25-30lb test would have been all that was needed.

Flourocarbon leaders work great! If you aren't using it, you will not catch as many fish as guys who are. Fish can see regular line but they can't see flourocarbon. Some guys were using Spectra (braided line) but it isn't necessary. The crew kept people moving around the boat following their line and going over/under other anglers to keep tangles to a minimum.

We had nothing but anchovies for bait and I was hooking them wrong at first and killing them. You need to hook anchovies through the bone that runs down along the back of the gills.

You pay for beer, soda, water and for the crew to clean your fish for you. $3/beer, $2/soda and water, and $5/fish to clean and bag them. Most guys were doubling the tab for a tip so if your bill was $80 give them $160. Tips are split equally among the crew, they work hard and they deserve it.

This is where we slept at night. There were 18 bunks per side and the middle bunks were open to the other side. I was lucky and got a top bunk all the way forward so there was a bulkhead blocking part about 1/4 of the forward part of the bunk (reassuring so that I wouldn't roll out of it and drop 5' to the floor below in the middle of the night). A lot of snoring and farting goes on here at night.


This is not a sport for women or the faint of heart. I will say this though, nobody blinked twice at anyone ordering a beer at 9 in the morning. :biggrin:

The chef was great, he cooked up hearty, fattening food for us and we lined up at mealtime and ate it up like we were starving and we loved it. We had breakfast burritos the first morning, I watched him make them three at a time. He took 3-4 hash brown patties and tossed them on the grill and broke them up, then he tossed on a pile of bacon that had to be at least 15 pieces, about 10 links of sausage and on top of that he broke about 10 eggs. He cooked that pile of food for about 5 minutes, chopping and mixing and then threw 3 giant tortillas on the grill to warm and scooped some of the egg/bacon/sausage/hashbrown mix on top, a scoop of salsa and a handful of cheese and wrapped it up. It was amazing!

Bobbing around on a 75' boat in the Pacific ocean for 2 days with no sight of land can definitely get to you though. There were times when I just wanted to go home to my own bed but you are stuck there. No internet, no phones, no connectivity to anyone but the people you are on the boat with. Everyone is equal and everyone is there for one thing, to catch fish. It was enlightening actually. Most of the guys who do this have done it before and they are hardcore and know what they're doing. Still, everyone is pretty friendly and willing to help other guys out as long as you aren't a dick or constantly making the same mistakes, we didn't have anyone like this on our trip. We had a guy from Western Outdoor News on our boat and he is doing a story on the trip. He gave out some free stuff (the hat I'm wearing in the pic above was one of the freebies) and was going straight from this trip to another boat with an hour between... he must not be married.

Speaking of land, on the 4 hour ride back to San Diego this was my first sighting of land in nearly 2 days.


We had perfect weather too. Mid 70s during the day, high 60s at night, swells 2-3' with winds 10 knots at most. You couldn't ask for better weather. Still, the boat is moving all the time so if you're prone to sea sickness (I am not) you'll probably want to take something for it before you set foot on a boat like this. I got very little sleep the night we left but the second night I slept like a baby.

All you see during the day is the boat, your mates and water and sky in all directions as far as the eye can see. At night you only see the moon and stars and the black water. There were a handful of fishing boats dotting the horizon at night but they were miles off and tiny.

I am sore, I still feel like I'm on a boat at times (like the house is moving) but I've almost got my land legs back but I would definitely do this again. It was a great time.
 
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purbeast0

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i've never done anything that hardcore but would love to. i've done the same type of 1/2 day thing you are talking about as well.

if it were me i'd just rent the gear. at your price range you would probably be buying pretty low end gear if looking to spend only $200. and the last thing you want when you have one of those big ass fish on your line is to have gear problems and lose the fish or part of your equipment.

i'm doing a charter trip next week in north carolina but only for the day not sleeping out like you are.

one of my bucket list items is to take one of the cage diving trips down to mexico from san diego to swim in the cage with great whites.
 

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I went on a 12hr trip in the Gulf out of Galveston. What I remember the most is how loose my pants fit after as they day was ending. No joke wear a belt. You'll lose some weight.
 

BoomerD

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I've done a bit of what you're about to do. If this is going to be your only trip of its kind...rent the equipment. If you even think you might do it more than once...buy your equipment.

Not sure what to recommend any more. Daiwa has discontinued the TD25 and 50 reels I used to like...but there are a few on their site that LOOK very nice.

http://www.daiwa.com/reel/detail.aspx?id=507

http://www.daiwa.com/reel/detail.aspx?id=694

great bait-casting reels.

Of course, there's always the old stand-by favorite...Penn.

From their inexpensive level-wind reels to their international series, Penn reels are very tough to beat for the types of fishing they're designed for.

As for rods...I had two custom-built rods made by a guy in the SF Bay area. Not cheap...but well worth the cost. He's no longer making rods as his eyesight apparently is gone.

Don't scrimp on your tackle...cheap stuff is cheap for a reason.

Bass Pro is one alternative for (slightly) cheaper tackle...but being in San Diego, you should have a myriad of good shops that will carry what you need.
 

JulesMaximus

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I've done a bit of what you're about to do. If this is going to be your only trip of its kind...rent the equipment. If you even think you might do it more than once...buy your equipment.

Not sure what to recommend any more. Daiwa has discontinued the TD25 and 50 reels I used to like...but there are a few on their site that LOOK very nice.

http://www.daiwa.com/reel/detail.aspx?id=507

http://www.daiwa.com/reel/detail.aspx?id=694

great bait-casting reels.

Of course, there's always the old stand-by favorite...Penn.

From their inexpensive level-wind reels to their international series, Penn reels are very tough to beat for the types of fishing they're designed for.

As for rods...I had two custom-built rods made by a guy in the SF Bay area. Not cheap...but well worth the cost. He's no longer making rods as his eyesight apparently is gone.

Don't scrimp on your tackle...cheap stuff is cheap for a reason.

Bass Pro is one alternative for (slightly) cheaper tackle...but being in San Diego, you should have a myriad of good shops that will carry what you need.

I'm sure I'll do this more than once. I love the ocean and I love eating fish and there is nothing like the fresh fish you can catch off the coast here. My friends are avid fishermen and they've invited me to go with them a few times.

I'm going to swing by Turners Outdoorsman on the way home tonight and see what they recommend.
 

JulesMaximus

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A beginner may want to gain experience before purchasing costly equipment.

I've gone ocean fishing a few times. Never deep water fishing for the type of fish we're going after though. I don't really know much about gear so that is why I'm asking. Not looking to spend thousands of dollars at the moment but I'll drop a couple hundred bucks.
 

BoomerD

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I've gone ocean fishing a few times. Never deep water fishing for the type of fish we're going after though. I don't really know much about gear so that is why I'm asking. Not looking to spend thousands of dollars at the moment but I'll drop a couple hundred bucks.

IMO, a good reel will run you at least a couple hundred bucks...and another couple of hundred for a decent rod...and IMO, you need at least two set-ups for a trip like you're taking.

When my garage was burgled in 98...the cocksuckers stole all my fishing gear...fresh and salt.
Because I had good documentation on MOST of what I had, my insurance company didn't bat an eye at giving me more than $5000 to cover the loss...and that did NOT cover all of it.
 

Micrornd

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Rent on this trip, buy for the next.
Gear will vary depending on where and how far out you fish.
By renting this time you can see what works and has a good lifespan vs price.
Pay attention to the rigging and line used too.
Rented stuff has to hold up to abuse with little maintainence, it may not be pretty but is usually dependable, which is what you want.
 

BoomerD

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Rent on this trip, buy for the next.
Gear will vary depending on where and how far out you fish.
By renting this time you can see what works and has a good lifespan vs price.
Pay attention to the rigging and line used too.
Rented stuff has to hold up to abuse with little maintainence, it may not be pretty but is usually dependable, which is what you want.

When I first started going out on rockfish and salmon charters, I always rented their equipment. Like you say, not always pretty...but it's functional.

The bigger charter boats SHOULD have an equipment locker full of rental equipment...or else the charter company should have it available at the docks. What kind of equipment to rent will depend on what kind of fish the boat is going after.
IMO, it's preferable to have a nice bait casting rig as well as something like a Penn level wind.(BTW, don't depend on a level-wind reel to properly wind the line...they often fuck that up...learn to use your hand.)
 

JulesMaximus

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The setup I have now is a Penn Senator on a 6' (roughly) rod. The line on it is old so I'm going to have new line put on the reel and have them tune it up. The friends I'm going with are avid fishermen so they are going to hook me up with some extra gear.

These are guys I've known for more than 20 years and good friends. Should be a fun trip. The boat is a 75' boat and they are taking 30 of us out leaving at 8PM on a Friday and returning to San Diego at 6PM on Sunday.

I did stop by Turners and Boomer is right. A decent 2 speed reel is around $300 plus another couple hundred for a decent rod.
 

Jeeebus

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Figure out of the charter allows braid or not. If you're fishing at some depth, it is fantastic. More line on the reel and more sensitivity to bites. Some charter boats don't like it because it can cut mono line.

You can spend some time on tackledirect.com, cabelas.com, or Bass Pro website, look at the reviews. Can definitely spend as much or little as you want. I'm a big fan of Star rods (Bass Pro has a house brand made by Star). For the reel, there's traditional or level drag systems - best bet might be to head to a big store and figure it out.
 

Ferzerp

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Usually if you have a deep sea charter, they provide bait/gear/etc....

Quality gear is pricy. The stuff I use for flat/shallow reef fishing (pretty light gear) was about $300 each for rod and reel.
 

DrPizza

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Just a thought - I glanced on the sand diego craigslist site & saw a decent variety of used poles/reel combos. Was just looking at what appeared to be a decent Penn for $100. Not much of a difference between used and rented, except that you get to keep it when you're done. I'd make sure I serviced it before taking it out - lubed up the gears, etc.
 

purbeast0

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The setup I have now is a Penn Senator on a 6' (roughly) rod. The line on it is old so I'm going to have new line put on the reel and have them tune it up. The friends I'm going with are avid fishermen so they are going to hook me up with some extra gear.

These are guys I've known for more than 20 years and good friends. Should be a fun trip. The boat is a 75' boat and they are taking 30 of us out leaving at 8PM on a Friday and returning to San Diego at 6PM on Sunday.

I did stop by Turners and Boomer is right. A decent 2 speed reel is around $300 plus another couple hundred for a decent rod.

if you don't mind me asking, how much does something like that cost? i'm going to be out in san diego for like 5-6 days in november and my buddy who lives out there wants to do some kind of fishing, but we're thinking just a day trip because the whole reason for us to be out there is for his son's baptism, which is in the middle of our trip over a weekend. but if there was a full day trip or 2 day trip, maybe we'll look into it.

i'm going out on this trip next week, but only for 3/4 day.

http://fugitivecharters.com/
 

smackababy

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I haven't done deep sea fishing (like for a week or two at a time), but I've done the 20 or 30 miles off coast thing and it was a blast. Even though I was quite sea sick the first time, I still had a ton of fun.

My dad spent some time on a red snapper boat, and he had some great stories.


I need to go fishing more often. =(
 

OBLAMA2009

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we deep sea fished for marlin in hawaii. we didnt catch anything. the boat crew put out about ten lines and drove the boat around at top speed for four hours. fish dont swim that fast, there was no way they were even giving them a chance to bite. it was totally retarded, i wished they would just turn the boat off and chum for sharks or dolphins so we could at least see something, plus the engine noise was irritating for hours on end. they could have saved gas too
 

alkemyst

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No gear is really needed for most trips. However; not all charters are equal even though they may be in the same price brackets. Always read reviews.
 

JulesMaximus

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if you don't mind me asking, how much does something like that cost? i'm going to be out in san diego for like 5-6 days in november and my buddy who lives out there wants to do some kind of fishing, but we're thinking just a day trip because the whole reason for us to be out there is for his son's baptism, which is in the middle of our trip over a weekend. but if there was a full day trip or 2 day trip, maybe we'll look into it.

i'm going out on this trip next week, but only for 3/4 day.

http://fugitivecharters.com/

$550 per person, 30 people maximum for the boat we're going out on. The company rates very well in the reviews I've read and there are a few of them.

http://www.hmlanding.com/index.html
 
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smackababy

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we deep sea fished for marlin in hawaii. we didnt catch anything. the boat crew put out about ten lines and drove the boat around at top speed for four hours. fish dont swim that fast, there was no way they were even giving them a chance to bite. it was totally retarded, i wished they would just turn the boat off and chum for sharks or dolphins so we could at least see something, plus the engine noise was irritating for hours on end. they could have saved gas too

Do you realize marlin can swim about 50MPH right? Trolling with a skipping lure is pretty much the best way to catch a big one.
 

SSSnail

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How often are you doing this? If not, just rent. Once you've done this at least once, then you'll know what you want, or need, to buy.

The last time I did this, half us us were drunk and the other half were puking over the railing.
 

roguerower

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Jules, no reason to go out and buy yourself a rig. If you really want to you can pick up a decent rig & reel for about $400 but it won't be capable of handling any of those fish if they're in excess of about 30#.

Makes more sense to rent this time and see what you want.
 

JulesMaximus

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Jules, no reason to go out and buy yourself a rig. If you really want to you can pick up a decent rig & reel for about $400 but it won't be capable of handling any of those fish if they're in excess of about 30#.

Makes more sense to rent this time and see what you want.

That's the plan at this point. I'm going to have my Penn serviced and new line put on it and just rent a second rod and reel from the charter company... either that or borrow some gear from my friends.
 

Oyeve

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I've caught decent sized deepwater fish with my own equipment. My fav is my Shakespeare BWC 1120 66 and spinfisher 8500ss.
 

Ferzerp

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I just reread the thread. The reel you have in a reasonable range as far as scale. Without knowing the rod, just that it is 6' isn't going to help much, but I can't imagine you have that on a small rod.
 
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