Anyone here don't care about graphics cards and games anymore ?

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poofyhairguy

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Nov 20, 2005
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If anything I care more now than I have since about 1999.

I had a realization a little over a year ago that the mobile market has plateaued and so the excitement in that industry since 2008 that I was wrapped up in was lost. I remembered my old buddy the PC and wanted to get back into that hobby for old times sake, maybe build a PC for fun before that hobby went the way of the dinosaur. What I found was a golden age for PC gaming, thanks to Steam, x86 consoles and their ease of porting, and how easy it is to be a couch gamer (aka what once was the domain of consoles) on the PC. Since then I have bought about 120 games on Steam, I have upgrade my gaming GPU twice, and thanks learning about mining on this forum I have more money tied up in GPUs than I have ever had in my life.

What I am NOT interested in is "cutting" edge video cards- it's seems like a suckers game paying $600+ for a GPU when a year later that amount of power will be in a sub $400 card. I game at 1080p and I will stay that way due to the fact that my "monitor" is a Tv that also plays my movies and tv (so the "freesync/gsync" means nothing to me, at least not until an OLED tv that is the quality I want for TV and movies has freesync). I feel like half the fun of "building a computers" as a hobby is buying the part that is the best on the price/performance curve, and then overclocking it to nearly match what the people who pay the most get. Of course 1080p is probably covered by $200-300 cards, so pretty soon I won't have a reason to continue upgrading no matter the curve.

VR might change my outlook, as that might be a reason to upgrade past what I need for 1080p. But before I am willing to invest in VR one of the headsets needs to "win," I refuse to buy the betamax of virtual reality.
 

Zodiark1593

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The Final Fantasy XII Zodiac Age announcement got me more excited than I felt for gaming in quite awhile. Though announced for PS4, unless there's some exclusivity agreement with that installment, I'd wager a strong chance of it going to Steam as well given Square's past history.
 

swilli89

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Mar 23, 2010
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I went from being an enthusiast to only really caring when upgrade time comes around, which I align with video card releases, but it's been so poor for the last 6-8 years that I've not even really bothered. Being stuck on the 28nm process has been the worst time for providing more GPU horsepower for a long time. That's why the 1080 is so refreshing and whatever Nvidia have up their sleeves for a Titan like variant.

A $700 300mm die based card on a new node thats 20% faster than a 980ti which was already a $600 card? That's refreshing to you? The 1080 should have launched for $500 MAX.
 

Artorius

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Jun 5, 2016
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I'm way more amazed by the technology advancements and architecture changes than the games themselves, coding became funnier than playing. I think I just got old...
 

ZipSpeed

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Aug 13, 2007
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I love following and staying up to the date with trends and advancements, but I no longer play games or buy hardware like I used to. Priorities have shifted in my life and I rather spend the money and time on my kids.

I do want a new shiny card either this year or next. RX480 would be a decent and inexpensive upgrade.
 

Cookie Monster

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May 7, 2005
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I care about the games more then the gpu's these days.

All this rage about how card X gets 10% higher performance then card Y in some game no one wants to play anyway, and anything less then a 970 would be considered un-usably slow. Yet I'm playing with people who seem to be able to play everything they want to just fine with 3+ year old gpu's that weren't even top end when they bought them (i.e. if you were to play them on-line they'd probably thrash you despite your 4k screen and quad SLi).

I've always bought the kit so I could perform better, but it turns out these days past a certain point which includes some pretty old kit it makes very little difference. Everyone else here must be buying just to look at the pretty maxed graphics, but really the difference between mid and maxed settings in most games isn't that great - you got to spend a lot of money for a little more sharpness. Anyway no one actually plays games to look at the pretty graphics (well for more then an hour or two) - how fun a game is has very little to do with being able to run graphics at max not medium.

Overwatch is a case in point - that game is actually fun to play, looks great even on mid settings and runs on lots of old kit. Around the world there are people playing that on kit everyone here would look down on and playing well having lots of fun, while this forum would just argue about how dumbed down games are and how there's no maxxed setting to make it worthwhile having quad Sli. Outside of here people just play the game on it's own merits and on those it's better then pretty well anything else around. On this forum for the last few months all that matters is Aots, but really that's a dull game no one much wants to play. Here lies the difference between geek gpu forums and geek gaming forums. I'd argue the geek gaming lot are having a lot more fun...

Same as me. Well said. Although now Im feeling the itch to upgrade because I recently bought doom (haven't bought a game in years! and the ones I play run great on all sorts of hardware) and may buy total war:warhammer (want to dial up the settings).

But yeah, I kind of find it somewhat amusing these days when many posters argue about X brand over Y for 10% difference in games no one plays, about features that really doesn't really add to anything to gameplay which what gaming is really about. Miss the old days, where games that were pushing the boundaries of graphics were also really good in terms of gameplay e.g. HL2, FEAR etc.
 

ImpulsE69

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Jan 8, 2010
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I play games. I could care less about all the latest whatzits and benchmarks until I am ready to purchase new hardware. And then I only care so much based on cost. At a certain point, all of it is useless information that changes way too fast when 90% of the middle range will work perfectly fine. I understand everyones tolerances are different, but sometimes it seems people would rather complain about 'this' spec vs 'that spec' than actually use them for what they are made for.
 

HeXen

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Dec 13, 2009
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My 970 gtx isn't jack anymore. Seemed like a good card last year minus a couple titles. Now I got games pushing me below 30fps @ 1080p. I can only imagine how VR would be, even on a 1080 gtx, I bet it won't be enough without castrating my graphic settings.
 

agfkfhahddhdn

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Dec 14, 2003
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But yeah, I kind of find it somewhat amusing these days when many posters argue about X brand over Y for 10% difference in games no one plays, about features that really doesn't really add to anything to gameplay

There was a post in another thread where a longtime Nvidia user was considering the RX 480 and asked, in all seriousness, "What's it like to use an AMD card?" I'm still not even sure what kind of answer he was expecting. "Well, AMD has historically had some driver issues, so every morning you have to walk in a counterclockwise circle five times. Make sure the diameter of the circle is at least the height of your mother, otherwise you'll get a lot of screen tearing."

Fanboyism is one of the things that I never miss in the times when I stop following hardware developments closely. Just buy the best parts for your budget, regardless of the brand.
 

sirmo

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Oct 10, 2011
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There was a post in another thread where a longtime Nvidia user was considering the RX 480 and asked, in all seriousness, "What's it like to use an AMD card?" I'm still not even sure what kind of answer he was expecting. "Well, AMD has historically had some driver issues, so every morning you have to walk in a counterclockwise circle five times. Make sure the diameter of the circle is at least the height of your mother, otherwise you'll get a lot of screen tearing."
I've seen those on reddit as well. I've said it before, uninformed people buy Nvidia. Informed people buy Nvidia or AMD.
 

Cookie Monster

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There was a post in another thread where a longtime Nvidia user was considering the RX 480 and asked, in all seriousness, "What's it like to use an AMD card?" I'm still not even sure what kind of answer he was expecting. "Well, AMD has historically had some driver issues, so every morning you have to walk in a counterclockwise circle five times. Make sure the diameter of the circle is at least the height of your mother, otherwise you'll get a lot of screen tearing."

Fanboyism is one of the things that I never miss in the times when I stop following hardware developments closely. Just buy the best parts for your budget, regardless of the brand.

Pretty much this. Well said.
 

poohbear

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Mar 11, 2003
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My 970 gtx isn't jack anymore. Seemed like a good card last year minus a couple titles. Now I got games pushing me below 30fps @ 1080p. I can only imagine how VR would be, even on a 1080 gtx, I bet it won't be enough without castrating my graphic settings.
Really? My GTX 970 is great @ 1440 with my specs. I never use AA as that was marketed for 640×480 back in the day that always stuck with me. Don't have a clue why ppl think it's for higher resolutions, but hey maybe I'm just old school & the marketing from 15 years ago stuck.
 

boozzer

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Jan 12, 2012
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There was a post in another thread where a longtime Nvidia user was considering the RX 480 and asked, in all seriousness, "What's it like to use an AMD card?" I'm still not even sure what kind of answer he was expecting. "Well, AMD has historically had some driver issues, so every morning you have to walk in a counterclockwise circle five times. Make sure the diameter of the circle is at least the height of your mother, otherwise you'll get a lot of screen tearing."

Fanboyism is one of the things that I never miss in the times when I stop following hardware developments closely. Just buy the best parts for your budget, regardless of the brand.
hear, hear.
 

StrangerGuy

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May 9, 2004
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I've seen those on reddit as well. I've said it before, uninformed people buy Nvidia. Informed people buy Nvidia or AMD.

Reddit overflows with dumb. When me and a few pointed out 4690K can already be pushed 3.9GHz MCE on a cheapo non-Z board, they were still blindly following "lol you should OC with a Z-board because it's easy, i7 useless and too expensive for gaming" when their added costs for OCing an i5 is barely cheaper than a 4.4GHz stock 4790K.

BTW I have never encountered any problems with so-called terrible ATI drivers since 2004.
 

agfkfhahddhdn

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BTW I have never encountered any problems with so-called terrible ATI drivers since 2004.

Nor have I, but I've always been lucky with drivers (I installed Vista the week it was released and never had a problem). But it's been so widely reported that I trust it's a real thing. Never had a problem with any of my Nvidia cards, either.

That said, I did have to wait a day after Just Cause 3 launched to get updated Radeon drivers that allowed the game to be played for more than eight minutes. But I'm leaning towards that being a Just Cause 3 issue that happened to be fixed by updated drivers, considering there were issues with that game across all platforms. And even if it was AMD's fault, they fixed it in a day, not a big deal. Better things to do with my life than complain about waiting an extra day to play a game.
 

Zodiark1593

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Oct 21, 2012
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Really? My GTX 970 is great @ 1440 with my specs. I never use AA as that was marketed for 640×480 back in the day that always stuck with me. Don't have a clue why ppl think it's for higher resolutions, but hey maybe I'm just old school & the marketing from 15 years ago stuck.

Nah, aliasing is one of those things where if it's pointed out to you once, you start seeing jaggies everywhere. (IE, can't unsee the aliasing).
 

xthetenth

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Nor have I, but I've always been lucky with drivers (I installed Vista the week it was released and never had a problem). But it's been so widely reported that I trust it's a real thing. Never had a problem with any of my Nvidia cards, either.

That said, I did have to wait a day after Just Cause 3 launched to get updated Radeon drivers that allowed the game to be played for more than eight minutes. But I'm leaning towards that being a Just Cause 3 issue that happened to be fixed by updated drivers, considering there were issues with that game across all platforms. And even if it was AMD's fault, they fixed it in a day, not a big deal. Better things to do with my life than complain about waiting an extra day to play a game.

AMD's been real good with drivers and they actually beat NV out by having launch day drivers for the game I care most about performance in (Total Warhammer). I actually got rid of driver issues by going from a 970 to a 290. The worst I had from the 970 would knock me out of multiplayer games which was intolerable, while the only (already fixed in less time than either big NV problem I had) problem with the 290 was an issue with video playback solved by hitting the F5 key. No muss, no fuss, no wipes in games with thirty minute plus commitments of time. Plus my unholy abomination of a 2560+3440+2560x1440 setup can be set to a proper single screen in case I want to be super cheap and play Vermintide on easy mode.

The nuts thing is I enjoy the technology, I like to hang around, but I absolutely can't stand the run up to a launch. The off season when everyone's posting less and occasionally folks like Madigan and Russian post huge walls of analysis are way more interesting to me then when the hype machine's gearing up, there's an article to support any viewpoint you want and it's not just the grains of salt I'm taking those articles with that threatens to give me hypertension.

I'm just hoping Vega turns out good so I can get a good card under that super sweet Fury X cooler, and it's not as fun when you aren't actively loooking at the new cards.

As far as games, I'm having a great time. Total Warhammer just came out and a friend who only had shooter type games in common with me is loving it so I've got a coop game going strong in that and it's possibly the best TW game already, World of Warships released a premium that fills the one niche I really wanted to have in my garage so I can casually take that out for a spin without getting in an unfun grind mindset, Vermintide came out with some new levels that are cool and good, I've got Pillars of Eternity to go back to when I'm feeling like playing what the nostalgia bits of my brain are telling me the old school RPGs were like (they keep managing to forget how godawful DnD and its derivatives are, and I can't help but try and make actually good characters now). Heck, even somehow grognard gaming's settling into an acceptable price range, and I've got Pike and Shot for playing really interesting 30 years war fights on my surface and Rule the Waves if I want to play bad naval design the turn based strategy game. And of course there's everyone's favorite game that really should be a grog game but isn't, KSP. I've got more games than time, and my bookshelf hates me for it.
 

Golgatha

Lifer
Jul 18, 2003
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Nah, aliasing is one of those things where if it's pointed out to you once, you start seeing jaggies everywhere. (IE, can't unsee the aliasing).

Depends on the resolution and size of the monitor. PPI basically. I like AA at 1080p on my 55in HDTV. Jaggies are easily seen there. My 27in 1440p Gsync...don't see the need for AA at all.
 

Dribble

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Aug 9, 2005
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Nah, aliasing is one of those things where if it's pointed out to you once, you start seeing jaggies everywhere. (IE, can't unsee the aliasing).

These days pretty well all games have FXAA which does a decent job and has next to no performance cost. Aliasing is no longer a major issue even if you don't have a high end gpu.
 

4K_shmoorK

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I think age has a lot to do with it. The sense of wonder and excitement I experienced when playing a game for the first time back when I was 8-14 was wholly different from the way I experience a game now at 22.

That existential state of ecstasy and/or amazement, not only concerning games, but in all stimuli encountered in our daily lives fade with age. We become desensitized to that which we've already experienced and relegate interactions in our minds along with the other menial events on which we have already developed a reaction to. Becomes routine, becomes mundane. We seek other outlets to satisfy our need for something new.

I will always love games, but curiosity fades somewhat if you let it. That's what it is to be human.
 

xthetenth

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I think age has a lot to do with it. The sense of wonder and excitement I experienced when playing a game for the first time back when I was 8-14 was wholly different from the way I experience a game now at 22.

That existential state of ecstasy and/or amazement, not only concerning games, but in all stimuli encountered in our daily lives fade with age. We become desensitized to that which we've already experienced and relegate interactions in our minds along with the other menial events on which we have already developed a reaction to. Becomes routine, becomes mundane. We seek other outlets to satisfy our need for something new.

I will always love games, but curiosity fades somewhat if you let it. That's what it is to be human.

There's also just fewer paradigm shifts, no games that are just a total novelty. There's a whole bunch of games, and each is trying a few new mechanics and some of them are great and start showing up in other games, but when's the last time a new genre got codified?
 

poofyhairguy

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Nov 20, 2005
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There's also just fewer paradigm shifts, no games that are just a total novelty. There's a whole bunch of games, and each is trying a few new mechanics and some of them are great and start showing up in other games, but when's the last time a new genre got codified?

VR?
 

Raising

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Why would I be here if I didn't care about graphic cards ?

There's so many different type of games that if you don't like to play them either take a break or get another hobby..
 
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