Anyone here suffering from rotten "Chinese" drywall?

[waggy]

Originally posted by: mchammer187

Originally posted by: krylon

Originally posted by: mchammer187
I mean if you hire someone to do work for you and they do a shitty job is it their fault or yours because ultimately the vast majority of these products are branded by US companies.

Lets say I hire you to paint my house.

If you do a shitty job than you aren't getting paid until its painted correctly. Its my job to make sure everything is done as quoted before you get paid in full.

Lets say they forgot to paint a room (glaring error) but I just ok'ed it and paid.

Later I complain. I'm fucked now.


US company

Outsource product -> Chinese company builds product -> US company puts their logo on it and sells it.

I think the company that hires them should be the ones that checks the quality.

you have any idea how much it would cost to have the stuff checked? how would you do it? who would do it?

 

[mchammer187]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: mchammer187

Originally posted by: krylon

Originally posted by: mchammer187
I mean if you hire someone to do work for you and they do a shitty job is it their fault or yours because ultimately the vast majority of these products are branded by US companies.

Lets say I hire you to paint my house.

If you do a shitty job than you aren't getting paid until its painted correctly. Its my job to make sure everything is done as quoted before you get paid in full.

Lets say they forgot to paint a room (glaring error) but I just ok'ed it and paid.

Later I complain. I'm fucked now.


US company

Outsource product -> Chinese company builds product -> US company puts their logo on it and sells it.

I think the company that hires them should be the ones that checks the quality.

you have any idea how much it would cost to have the stuff checked? how would you do it? who would do it?

Well you are the one that advocated having the chinese company doing the testing.


Either they are testing it and we are taking their word for it

or we are doing the testing ourselves?

I'll take the latter

The other option is not test it at all but if we are gonna do that than don't be surprised about what is done to cut corners.




China = Shitty subcontractor

Its your job to make sure you are not getting fucked over when you are dealing with them.

 

[sourceninja]

Most contracts if asked to buy higher quality materials would probably just charge more for the same crap. Half the time they are paying a crew of illegals less then a legal wage anyway.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: mchammer187

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: mchammer187

Originally posted by: krylon

Originally posted by: mchammer187
I mean if you hire someone to do work for you and they do a shitty job is it their fault or yours because ultimately the vast majority of these products are branded by US companies.

Lets say I hire you to paint my house.

If you do a shitty job than you aren't getting paid until its painted correctly. Its my job to make sure everything is done as quoted before you get paid in full.

Lets say they forgot to paint a room (glaring error) but I just ok'ed it and paid.

Later I complain. I'm fucked now.


US company

Outsource product -> Chinese company builds product -> US company puts their logo on it and sells it.

I think the company that hires them should be the ones that checks the quality.

you have any idea how much it would cost to have the stuff checked? how would you do it? who would do it?

Well you are the one that advocated having the chinese company doing the testing.


Either they are testing it and we are taking their word for it

or we are doing the testing ourselves?

I'll take the latter

The other option is not test it at all but if we are gonna do that than don't be surprised about what is done to cut corners.

i would rather have them check it then US business.

if they do it and raise the price then we still have the choice of buying. if its gets s hipped here then the contractor/store does it then it raises the price of EVERYTHING

 

[AndrewR]

Builders slapped up homes in the quickest possible time with the cheapest materials and labor they could find. Sheeple bought the new properties without much examination of the builders' backgrounds or work quality because they were blinded by potential profits or by the lure of their "dream homes" (in the CNN article). Lo and behold, there were problems with the homes, including shoddy materials?

Say it ain't so...

 

[mchammer187]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: mchammer187

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: mchammer187

Originally posted by: krylon

Originally posted by: mchammer187
I mean if you hire someone to do work for you and they do a shitty job is it their fault or yours because ultimately the vast majority of these products are branded by US companies.

Lets say I hire you to paint my house.

If you do a shitty job than you aren't getting paid until its painted correctly. Its my job to make sure everything is done as quoted before you get paid in full.

Lets say they forgot to paint a room (glaring error) but I just ok'ed it and paid.

Later I complain. I'm fucked now.


US company

Outsource product -> Chinese company builds product -> US company puts their logo on it and sells it.

I think the company that hires them should be the ones that checks the quality.

you have any idea how much it would cost to have the stuff checked? how would you do it? who would do it?

Well you are the one that advocated having the chinese company doing the testing.


Either they are testing it and we are taking their word for it

or we are doing the testing ourselves?

I'll take the latter

The other option is not test it at all but if we are gonna do that than don't be surprised about what is done to cut corners.

i would rather have them check it then US business.

if they do it and raise the price then we still have the choice of buying. if its gets s hipped here then the contractor/store does it then it raises the price of EVERYTHING

You could have it inspected in China by US employees or at least an independent testing company.

All I'm saying is its not in their best interest to state that their products don't pass certification and have to redo and entire shipment. It is up to us to look after our best interests.

Until the world as a whole starts demanding quality instead of price china will always be #1 and they will be able to find work from someone else looking for the best deal.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: waggy
i would rather have them check it then US business.

if they do it and raise the price then we still have the choice of buying. if its gets s hipped here then the contractor/store does it then it raises the price of EVERYTHING

Since the Chinese have such a great reputation for honesty...I disagree.

I've seen way too many "Certified" Chinese bolts not be able to pass the minimum requirements that they are "certified" to meet.
I'd be more inclined to pay the small cost to have the US Government inspect and test things than I would a Chinese company...who may be owned by the same corporation that's selling the defective/contaminated products.

Then again, I'd be inclined to support a total boycott of all Chinese products, especially those that don't meet US standards.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: waggy

when it comes to building supplies such as drywall the cheapest is not going to be best. no question on it. unless the company is trying to go out of business anyway.

there is a reason why this drywall is $4 and most is around $8

logic fail.

 

[Modelworks]

Hard to believe they can screw up drywall. Water +paper + gypsum + lime.

 

[Newbian]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Hard to believe they can screw up drywall. Water +paper + gypsum + lime + lead.

That's their secret recipe.

 

[Chryso]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: mchammer187

Originally posted by: krylon

Originally posted by: mchammer187
I mean if you hire someone to do work for you and they do a shitty job is it their fault or yours because ultimately the vast majority of these products are branded by US companies.

Lets say I hire you to paint my house.

If you do a shitty job than you aren't getting paid until its painted correctly. Its my job to make sure everything is done as quoted before you get paid in full.

Lets say they forgot to paint a room (glaring error) but I just ok'ed it and paid.

Later I complain. I'm fucked now.


US company

Outsource product -> Chinese company builds product -> US company puts their logo on it and sells it.

I think the company that hires them should be the ones that checks the quality.

you have any idea how much it would cost to have the stuff checked? how would you do it? who would do it?

Why does it matter how much it costs? That cost will just be passed along anyway.

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Hard to believe they can screw up drywall. Water +paper + gypsum + lime.

In the US, some wallboard is made using the ash from coal fired power plants. Much of the problematic chinese drywall is manufactured using essentially the same process. One key difference is that the US plants use scubbed ash and the Chinese do not. This is the heart of one of the theories behind the problems...

 

[Vette73]

FYI for thos that do wood working and/or building. Chinese plywood is also junk. But just about all the hardwood faced ply at Homedepot/lowes is from over seas now.

Only buy ply that is made in Canada or the US.

 

[rh71]

I blame the Chinese first for the money-first mentality over anything else but then I also blame the people who want things done cheaply. If you can actually help it, don't go the cheapest route possible. There's a reason they keep making them...

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: rh71
I blame the Chinese first for the money-first mentality over anything else but then I also blame the people who want things done cheaply. If you can actually help it, don't go the cheapest route possible. There's a reason they keep making them...

The drywall was not bought because it was cheap, in this case, but because the demand stripped all other supply.
Even large home builders that usually don;t use stuff that does not have some type of history got caught up in this as well.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: rh71
I blame the Chinese first for the money-first mentality over anything else but then I also blame the people who want things done cheaply. If you can actually help it, don't go the cheapest route possible. There's a reason they keep making them...

You blame the Chinese for an American mentality?

 

[HannibalX]

Originally posted by: zerogear
I think there needs to be an embargo on China-made products until they improve their quality/testing

This can be accomplished by consumers without government intervention - but, it won't happen because most Americans love cheap junk from China - the success of Walmart is proof.

I'm always amazed when people's first answer to any question is government action.

 

[Colt45]

I have a hard time understanding how it's cheaper to ship it then it is to make it here... It's not exactly light, or expensive. or complicated to make.

 

[ObiDon]

Originally posted by: Colt45
I have a hard time understanding how it's cheaper to ship it then it is to make it here... It's not exactly light, or expensive. or complicated to make.

labor. i refer you to my 05/06/2009 12:03 PM posting above.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: ObiDon

Originally posted by: Colt45
I have a hard time understanding how it's cheaper to ship it then it is to make it here... It's not exactly light, or expensive. or complicated to make.

labor. i refer you to my 05/06/2009 12:03 PM posting above.

QFT we are paying unskilled / trade labor far too much money....

The auto unions are going to self destruct within 5 years I bet.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Can I interest anyone in some cheap drywall? I got a really good deal in Louisiana.

 

[yhelothar]

I chat with a guy that lives in china, and he says that over 50% of the businesses there are illegitimate. Government officials there take bribes like a ghetto mexican cop. Supposedly, that's how the melamine scandal came to be too, only except it was publicized in the news enough that china had no choice but to prosecute.

 

[duragezic]

Originally posted by: iFX

Originally posted by: zerogear
I think there needs to be an embargo on China-made products until they improve their quality/testing

This can be accomplished by consumers without government intervention - but, it won't happen because most Americans love cheap junk from China - the success of Walmart is proof.

I'm always amazed when people's first answer to any question is government action.

I found it interesting last weekend at Walmart when I was looking to get an oven pan/cookie sheet thing. They had 3-4 different kinds. I wanted a quality one so I check out the Oneida (most expensive). Made in China. Farberware? Made in China. Mainstays (common budget household items found at Walmart) that was half the price of the expensive ones? Made in USA.

I'd like to have bought the USA one even if it was more $$ but it was a cheap quality one so I had to go with Made in China!

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
FYI for thos that do wood working and/or building. Chinese plywood is also junk. But just about all the hardwood faced ply at Homedepot/lowes is from over seas now.

Only buy ply that is made in Canada or the US.

I bought some birch veneer plywood to build a desk recently. Went to Home Depot and saw that it was $35 when I had previously paid $45+ for it. I picked through EVERY SINGLE PIECE and couldn't find four pieces that were worth buying. I went to Lowe's, and theirs was a lot better (and also more expensive).

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: astroidea
I chat with a guy that lives in china, and he says that over 50% of the businesses there are illegitimate. Government officials there take bribes like a ghetto mexican cop. Supposedly, that's how the melamine scandal came to be too, only except it was publicized in the news enough that china had no choice but to prosecute.

not just that. if a western business goes there the folks they work with to build the manufacturing facility make a shadow factory to knock off their stuff right away