Anyone own a Mac?

Mark.hall

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I really want to buy a Mac but I am skeptical to how good it actually is. Is it just clever marketing or are they special in some way?

If anyone could share some advice, that would be amazing! Thanks
 

TheStu

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They have the best trackpads in the industry, and one of the best keyboards. The retina models are fantastic, and having used both OSes extensively, it's my opinion that OS X is a MUCH better laptop OS than Windows is. But that's just me.

They hold their value well if you like to flip your devices frequently, and the customer support is pretty good. It all depends on your needs. Are you just going to install Windows on it and call it a day? Get a thinkpad or something like that.

What are you going to do with the laptop?
 

Mark.hall

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They have the best trackpads in the industry, and one of the best keyboards. The retina models are fantastic, and having used both OSes extensively, it's my opinion that OS X is a MUCH better laptop OS than Windows is. But that's just me.

They hold their value well if you like to flip your devices frequently, and the customer support is pretty good. It all depends on your needs. Are you just going to install Windows on it and call it a day? Get a thinkpad or something like that.

What are you going to do with the laptop?


Thanks for the advice! I just do the usual things, mainly web browsing, connecting different devices to the laptop and picture editing. I do want something with a lot of storage capacity as I have a lot of documents and pictures and my old laptop literally has no space left. I would install windows, yeah.

Do you think that Macs are only worth buying if you want to do technical stuff on them?
 

TheStu

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Thanks for the advice! I just do the usual things, mainly web browsing, connecting different devices to the laptop and picture editing. I do want something with a lot of storage capacity as I have a lot of documents and pictures and my old laptop literally has no space left. I would install windows, yeah.

Do you think that Macs are only worth buying if you want to do technical stuff on them?

No, I think that Macs are primarily worth buying if you are actually going to use them as a Mac. As Windows machines they're fine, but it makes more sense to get an actual Windows machine in that case. Macs lose most of their advantages (and pick up some annoying disadvantages) when they are run in Windows.
 

terpsy

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I got to spend a couple of days borrowing a friends new Alienware 14. The 1920x1080 IPS screen and the keyboard + trackpad were AWESOME. For the work I needed to do, simply amazing. Yes, it is thicker than a MacBook, but you are not getting the same range of uses. On the Alienware, of you need, you can game and have a true desktop replacement. The MacBook will always be crippled compared to it. I am not a huge fan of Retina, what the hell do I care for such a high resolution with a crappy graphics solution to try and feed it. Plus, it will use scaling for everything. Just my opinion. When I get the ability to replace the Alienware I had to part with for my daughter, I will be buying another one. I have worked with Macs on and off for the past 12 years. A GOOD Windows based laptop will always perform better and be more flexible than a MAC.
 

T_Yamamoto

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Macs hold their value well, but are very limited.

You could always get an external drive for storage

Also, Terpsy, Macs aren't meant to game on, and I would prefer a retina screen over a regular 1080p one. Intel's iGPU graphics have improved in the last couple of generations. (You can't really compare a gaming laptop to a Mac)

Side note, gaming laptops have the battery life of a .. er... chinese battery and are heavy. Compared to a mac that has great battery life and are relatively light. It all depends on what the user wants.

The only thing special is that they're cutting edge. Also the name, Apple, sells itself. People will pay top dollar for a used mac, when it comes to sell one.
 

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The Mac kool-aid is 90% marketing fluff. Ignore all the "mac vs pc" advertisements, they're both running the same hardware from the same manufacturers on the inside.

That other 10% is in the software/OS end. If you like OSX better, great. For standard "computer stuff" whichever one you're more comfortable with will suit your needs just fine. There are specific high end programs that are only available for Mac (Final Cut Pro, etc) if you're doing serious video editing that some people prefer over the multiplatform alternatives such as Adobe CS. All that "Macs are better for artists" hooplah is just that, marketing spin.

Yes, the retina displays are nice, but for most people that alone isnt worth the considerable price markup. Some people feel the need or the desire to buy into the branding and the image associated with Macs, i'm of the opinion that a computer should be bought to actually use as a computer, not as a social accessory.

That being said, will a Mac do what you said you wanted to do? Yes. Will it do it any better than an equivalently specced PC? No. Whether or not all that "hooplah" appeals to you to be worth the price or you simply like OSX better than Windows is up to you.
 

Subyman

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The Mac kool-aid is 90% marketing fluff. Ignore all the "mac vs pc" advertisements, they're both running the same hardware from the same manufacturers on the inside.

That other 10% is in the software/OS end. If you like OSX better, great. For standard "computer stuff" whichever one you're more comfortable with will suit your needs just fine. There are specific high end programs that are only available for Mac (Final Cut Pro, etc) if you're doing serious video editing that some people prefer over the multiplatform alternatives such as Adobe CS. All that "Macs are better for artists" hooplah is just that, marketing spin.

Yes, the retina displays are nice, but for most people that alone isnt worth the considerable price markup. Some people feel the need or the desire to buy into the branding and the image associated with Macs, i'm of the opinion that a computer should be bought to actually use as a computer, not as a social accessory.

That being said, will a Mac do what you said you wanted to do? Yes. Will it do it any better than an equivalently specced PC? No. Whether or not all that "hooplah" appeals to you to be worth the price or you simply like OSX better than Windows is up to you.

I'd say you are going a bit too far with the hardware. Sure, if you only look at the spec sheet and individual components, there isn't any magic going on. They use the same core computer parts. However, the build quality is like nothing else on the market. I've owned countless laptops ranging from Asus, Toshiba, Dell, HP, and Acer. There is no comparison to the build quality of a MacBook. Some of the really high end Ultrabooks are getting close, but they still aren't there.

IMO, I'd go with the new Haswell MacBook Air. That battery life is insane. If you are using it to surf the web, do some light photo editing, and such then they wonderful machines. You may find iPhoto is all you need, which is packed in for free.

HOWEVER, since you only want to install Windows and never use OSX, I'd say shop around a bit. Personally, I'd still buy a MacBook to use as a Windows machine. Go to best buy, they have them so you can get a feel for them.
 

Mark.hall

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I'd say you are going a bit too far with the hardware. Sure, if you only look at the spec sheet and individual components, there isn't any magic going on. They use the same core computer parts. However, the build quality is like nothing else on the market. I've owned countless laptops ranging from Asus, Toshiba, Dell, HP, and Acer. There is no comparison to the build quality of a MacBook. Some of the really high end Ultrabooks are getting close, but they still aren't there.

IMO, I'd go with the new Haswell MacBook Air. That battery life is insane. If you are using it to surf the web, do some light photo editing, and such then they wonderful machines. You may find iPhoto is all you need, which is packed in for free.

HOWEVER, since you only want to install Windows and never use OSX, I'd say shop around a bit. Personally, I'd still buy a MacBook to use as a Windows machine. Go to best buy, they have them so you can get a feel for them.


Thanks for the info! I guess that it does just depend on personal preference at the end of the day. I think I'll spend some time exploring OSX to see how I like it and the decide on the laptop that I want to buy.

Having had a MacBook, could you tell me how they are in terms of breakage etc? Are they durable?

Thank you!
 

Mark.hall

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The Mac kool-aid is 90% marketing fluff. Ignore all the "mac vs pc" advertisements, they're both running the same hardware from the same manufacturers on the inside.

That other 10% is in the software/OS end. If you like OSX better, great. For standard "computer stuff" whichever one you're more comfortable with will suit your needs just fine. There are specific high end programs that are only available for Mac (Final Cut Pro, etc) if you're doing serious video editing that some people prefer over the multiplatform alternatives such as Adobe CS. All that "Macs are better for artists" hooplah is just that, marketing spin.

Yes, the retina displays are nice, but for most people that alone isnt worth the considerable price markup. Some people feel the need or the desire to buy into the branding and the image associated with Macs, i'm of the opinion that a computer should be bought to actually use as a computer, not as a social accessory.

That being said, will a Mac do what you said you wanted to do? Yes. Will it do it any better than an equivalently specced PC? No. Whether or not all that "hooplah" appeals to you to be worth the price or you simply like OSX better than Windows is up to you.

Thanks for your views! I think I probably do belong to that category of people who feel the need to buy into the branding...guilty. But it's a combination of things at the end...the compact design of a Mac, the long life of the battery, the fact that you can add your pictures to facebook with a click of a button. The fact that there will be no Word is a major disadvantage for me though, as I ofter need to type up or open Word Docs.

I appreciate all the help and views though! Thanks!
 

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The Mac kool-aid is 90% marketing fluff. Ignore all the "mac vs pc" advertisements, they're both running the same hardware from the same manufacturers on the inside.

While it's true that they are all running Intel chips and Intel compatible hardware now, I do have to give it up to Apple for being at the forefront as far as including cutting edge hardware into their machines. Hardware such as higher resolution (Retina) displays, thunderbolt port, 802.11ac WIFI, etc. show up on Macs first. So kudos to Apple for continuing to push the envelop.

With that said, I still can't find myself buying a Mac. A big part of it is OSX vs Windows. Perhaps I'm just too used to Windows and just know where everything is. For example, I was trying to find out what the WIFI connection speed was on a Macbook the other day and just could not find it.

I just purchased a new Sony Vaio Duo 13 myself. Certainly the Macbook Air could have been a consideration, but it never was for me. I can live without the insane battery life, the thunderbolt port, and the 802.11AC WIFI. I was also looking for a convertible ultrabook, which the MBA isn't.
 

TheStu

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The proprietor of this fine website has an intriguing account of his month-with-a-mac:

http://www.anandtech.com/print/1500/

http://www.anandtech.com/print/1594/

Might be worth your while to check those out.

Those are both from quite some time ago. Windows and Windows PCs have come quite a long ways in that time, which is why I generally just recommend that people buy a PC if they are only going to run Windows anyway.

I really like OS X, and I don't think that learning its differences are too terribly hard so long as you accept that there will be differences. And I think that there are good benefits to OS X over Windows 7/8, especially on a laptop, but at the end of the day, if you're just going to run Windows, buy a PC.
 

Oyeve

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I have a mid-2009 mac book pro. I upped it to 8gb ram, installed a 1 TB HD, installed parallels 8 and run mountain lion, windows xp, windows 7 pro and windows 8. I use it as my "everything" work/travel/testing machine. Obviously I dont game on it but this baby does all I need and then some. If you are like me get a similar set up. I am an IT manager (and known apple hater) but this combo cant be beat.

Oh, and I have Final Cut Pro 2.x on it and muck around with amateur music stuff
 

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I'm a long-time Mac user, but regularly try Windows PCs and follow the market to keep tabs.

In my experience, Apple simply has the best overall design balance for laptops. MacBooks are battery life champions, especially if you look at Haswell-based models (the 13-inch MacBook Air can realistically achieve 12 hours). Build quality is tops. And the company actually knows how to design a good trackpad and keyboard; even today, many PC vendors still screw those up.

You'll definitely find gems on the Windows side -- see the second-gen Acer Aspire S7, higher-end Lenovo ThinkPads, Samsung's ATIV Book 9 and the Sony VAIO Pro 11/13. Still, it's odd how many PC manufacturers have no qualms with shipping laptops that have at least one fundamental flaw, whether it's dodgy build quality, a poor battery or jittery trackpad software. Having better specs on paper (which is rarer these days) doesn't matter if the design is unpleasant to use.
 

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" Still, it's odd how many PC manufacturers have no qualms with shipping laptops that have at least one fundamental flaw, whether it's dodgy build quality, a poor battery or jittery trackpad software. Having better specs on paper (which is rarer these days) doesn't matter if the design is unpleasant to use. "

I have always wondered about this fact. For instance Lenovo shipping an otherwise decent laptop with a really crappy screen. Maybe they have gotten a little better very recently, but like have they ever heard of IPS? Sheesh!

Long time Windows user, but I now have Mac mini and would definitely get a mac of my preference even if the main plan was to run Windows. Which, I run 98% of the time with the mini. Just fine.
 

TheStu

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" Still, it's odd how many PC manufacturers have no qualms with shipping laptops that have at least one fundamental flaw, whether it's dodgy build quality, a poor battery or jittery trackpad software. Having better specs on paper (which is rarer these days) doesn't matter if the design is unpleasant to use. "

I have always wondered about this fact. For instance Lenovo shipping an otherwise decent laptop with a really crappy screen. Maybe they have gotten a little better very recently, but like have they ever heard of IPS? Sheesh!

Long time Windows user, but I now have Mac mini and would definitely get a mac of my preference even if the main plan was to run Windows. Which, I run 98% of the time with the mini. Just fine.

On a desktop, running Windows on a Mac is totally fine. But like I said before, on a laptop, you lose a lot of the advantages when you run Windows. Historically, you take about a 40-50% battery hit, the trackpad isn't as great anymore, and on the Retina models, there is no scaling (Windows 8.1 is better I have heard, but it's not the same as OS X).
 

linster

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In my experience, Apple simply has the best overall design balance for laptops. MacBooks are battery life champions, especially if you look at Haswell-based models (the 13-inch MacBook Air can realistically achieve 12 hours). Build quality is tops. And the company actually knows how to design a good trackpad and keyboard; even today, many PC vendors still screw those up.

You'll definitely find gems on the Windows side -- see the second-gen Acer Aspire S7, higher-end Lenovo ThinkPads, Samsung's ATIV Book 9 and the Sony VAIO Pro 11/13. Still, it's odd how many PC manufacturers have no qualms with shipping laptops that have at least one fundamental flaw, whether it's dodgy build quality, a poor battery or jittery trackpad software. Having better specs on paper (which is rarer these days) doesn't matter if the design is unpleasant to use.

It's just a matter of price and profit margins. Many of these flawed PCs are in the "budget" laptops category and as such, there are compromises that manufacturers make to reach certain price points. There is no such thing as a budget Macbook. Macs have always sold a relatively high price no matter how popular or unpopular Macs are.
 

boomhower

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After years of Windoews usage from a variety of notebook manufacturers I went Mac a few months ago. By far the most noticible difference outside of software was build quality. It's in a completely different league, granted at a completely difference price as well. The trackpad is the best thing I've ever used bar none. Biggest downside is the screen as the resolution is far below what you can get with a Windows machine, though I bought pre-Retina.

OS wise, it's personal preference. For me, I'll never go back. Bought my wife a Windows 8 desktop and after messing with that abomination of an OS I'll never by another for myself. I loved Windows 7 but they made a big mistake with 8.
 
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Is it clever marketing? Yes.

Are they special in some way? Yes.

The hardware is excellent. Most of the "apple tax" is the same premium you'd pay for a Lenovo or Vaio of similar quality. (Machined unibody construction, better than average monitors, chiclet keyboards way better than most - similar to Lenovo's, imho, and the trackpads are to die for.)

If you're honest about feature parity, and not just comparing a $2000 MBP to a $700 gaming luggable with a 17" display and a desktop CPU, then the "Apple Tax" is a couple hundred bucks, tops. Which may be worth it if you prefer the OS.

Which brings us to the OS.

OS X is... different. *shrug* It has its roots in BSD, and the terminal is POSIX-compliant. The "competition" in that sense are Thinkpads running Linux&#8224;, not Dells running Windows.

Since most environments now are mixed batches of Windows/Linux with a few Macs thrown in for the iPad-fetishists in management, Macs make a lot of sense from an administration standpoint, since they're more or less mediocre at connecting to everything, but can still do it out of the box.

The only catch is that there's no free iSCSI initiator for OS X, you gotta pay money.

&#8224;Whether or not you like OS X / Finder as an equivalent of KDE or GNOME is a subjective exercise for the reader.
 

cmdrdredd

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I own 4 macs and work on them daily but I hate every single one of them. The only thing going for them is the looks and honestly if you are only running windows I wouldn't bother spending the cash on a Mac.


That's my jaded opinion because when windows or a pc has a problem I can fix it in my sleep, when one of my macs crashes or has some issue it is a pain in the ass.

I only use mechanical keyboards cause I think all rubber membrane keyboards are terrible. So I will also say I hate apple's keyboards too.
 
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Rakehellion

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I own 4 macs and work on them daily but I hate every single one of them. The only thing going for them is the looks and honestly if you are only running windows I wouldn't bother spending the cash on a Mac.


That's my jaded opinion because when windows or a pc has a problem I can fix it in my sleep, when one of my macs crashes or has some issue it is a pain in the ass.

I only use mechanical keyboards cause I think all rubber membrane keyboards are terrible. So I will also say I hate apple's keyboards too.

Why do you own them if you hate them?
How can you use them daily and not know how to fix them?
 

Centauri

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The fact that there will be no Word is a major disadvantage for me though, as I ofter need to type up or open Word Docs.

...how little research have you actually done? Word has been on the Mac for nearly 30 years.

I honestly wonder if you're just trolling.
 
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