Anyone psyched for VS 2010?

[Kirby]

I believe it's being launched Monday (4/12). The biggest things I'm looking forward to are multi-monitor support and integrated parallel programming support. I'm downloading the RC now.

Now I just have to wait for C++0x...:hmm:

 

[Crusty]

Multi-monitor support is huge IMO.

I'm certainly looking forward to all the new Thread safe generic data structures being introducted in .NET 4.0. Will certainly make life easier in some regards!

 

[Tencntraze]

I'm definitely looking forward to this, including using TFS2010 Basic for personal projects. Have the RC installed now for both, but it's hard to bring myself to start using something full-time for projects when I don't have a specific feature that I *need*. Come Monday, will use VS2010 for everything I can. The text seems more readable to me too; I enjoy the benefits of the IDE being rewritten in WPF.

 

[OogyWaWa]

YES! code contracts, dual screen support, pLINQ, new intellisense the list goes on...

not so sure about the new interface yet, but i'm sure it'll be good.

 

[Markbnj]

Yep . I work on a small team doing media management apps, and we get to roll to VS2010/Silverlight 4.0 next week. Really looking forward to it.

 

[Rangoric]

YES! code contracts, dual screen support, pLINQ, new intellisense the list goes on...

not so sure about the new interface yet, but i'm sure it'll be good.

The new interface is good (Using the RC). It is much more responsive, by far. The .Net add reference dialog wasn't improved but the other tabs definitely work better.

 

[Markbnj]

The new interface is good (Using the RC). It is much more responsive, by far. The .Net add reference dialog wasn't improved but the other tabs definitely work better.

That one might never get better, given all the assemblies it has to open and read properties from before it can display the list.

 

[Rangoric]

That one might never get better, given all the assemblies it has to open and read properties from before it can display the list.

I understand that. But it actually is worse in the RC then it was in 2008. They aren't caching the results of all that reading in of properties and such, which would make it a pita to use the first time (or heck they could load it in the background) but smooth as silk after that.

I wish I knew why they aren't because currently it's just ugg.

For reference, in 2008 and earlier, it would pause the IDE to read everything in, then display the dialog, in 2010 you can use the dialog as soon as you ask to use it, but the .Net DLLs load dynamically, and the .Net tab is worthless until it is done.

So the dialog itself is better, the .Net tab is just as bad or worse as you don't know when it is done, and if it isn't then trying to click the lower listed DLLs is pointless. (System.Web for example)

 

[JasonCoder]

Don't mean to hijack the thread but does anyone notice the lack of competition in this area? I like Eclipse, but not so much for .net work... Wasn't the guys behind IntelliJ supposed to release a .net ide?

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Been using 2010 since beta 1 and I love it. I'm also excited to see F# getting it's rightful status as a first class language.

 

[Snapster]

Hell yes, installing it first thing.

 

[Cogman]

Don't mean to hijack the thread but does anyone notice the lack of competition in this area? I like Eclipse, but not so much for .net work... Wasn't the guys behind IntelliJ supposed to release a .net ide?

If there is one place that MS really excels at, it is their IDE. I've yet to see an IDE that comes anywhere close to the features and capabilities of Visual studios.

 

[Markbnj]

If there is one place that MS really excels at, it is their IDE. I've yet to see an IDE that comes anywhere close to the features and capabilities of Visual studios.

Agreed. I've used Eclipse, and a few other tools, pretty extensively but I wouldn't trade VS for any of them.

 

[Kirby]

Been using 2010 since beta 1 and I love it. I'm also excited to see F# getting it's rightful status as a first class language.

I need to learn some F# syntax when I get a chance. Looks pretty cool. :thumbsup:

 

[pdusen]

I'm looking forward to it primarily for all the C++0x features being added (MS is being surprisingly agile about that.)

 

[Rangoric]

I need to learn some F# syntax when I get a chance. Looks pretty cool. :thumbsup:

A good way to ease yourself into using it is for anything you have a foreach loop for in C#/VB.

Or a switch statement, or a chained if/elseif series.

Those I think are the "basic" things that really show what it can do for someone that hasn't done functional programming before Pattern Matching instead of a switch/if elseif series by itself is a reason to use it.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Visual Studio is, IMO, the best IDE out there. I like NetBean's variable renaming / refractor capabilities better, but that is about it.

Shame J# is no more, would love to use VS to write Java applications (well, J# applications with code that can be compiled with the JDK).

 

[Snapster]

Visual Studio is, IMO, the best IDE out there. I like NetBean's variable renaming / refractor capabilities better, but that is about it.

Shame J# is no more, would love to use VS to write Java applications (well, J# applications with code that can be compiled with the JDK).

VS + ReSharper = very productive for code analysis/refactoring.

 

[Leros]

I was running VS 2010 beta last summer when I was working with .Net 4.0 beta. I didn't like going to back to 2008 when I was done

 

[Oyster]

Up and running on Windows 7, Server 2008 R2, and XP SP3. No issues so far, which was kind of expected since I had no issues with the last beta.

 

[Markbnj]

I'm supposed to install it, but I'm in the middle of some deep changes to this pile of crap... er... challenging project that I inherited, so I'm going to wait a day or two.

 

[Oyster]

Just FYI for people installing on XP - the overall install involves restarting thrice. First is following the install of Framework 4.0. Second is following the install of Windows Installer Update 4.5 for XP. Third is following the installation of the entire thing. To streamline the install and save some time: install Framework 4.0 and Installer 4.5 Update manually before starting the VS 2010 setup. Also, if you don't have SP3, which I know a lot of corporate PCs don't, you may want to install that before starting the whole thing.

Outside of that, the other thing to notice right away is that most of your new projects will default to Target Framework: Framework 4 Client Profile (this can be confirmed by going to your project's properties). This profile has a smaller footprint when deployed, but it is missing some advanced functionality. If you don't care about the overall footprint of you application, I'd change this to Framework 4 (which offers all Framework features).

Something else made me super-happy: when you pause your cursor on a variable, all occurrences of that variable within the scope are now highlighted. So if you're in a method and you're processing a parameter, the IDE recognizes that that parameter is part of the method signature, and highlights only the necessary occurrences. KICKASS! I have been waiting for this feature since 2005... good thing MS is listening.

 

[Rangoric]

Something else made me super-happy: when you pause your cursor on a variable, all occurrences of that variable within the scope are now highlighted. So if you're in a method and you're processing a parameter, the IDE recognizes that that parameter is part of the method signature, and highlights only the necessary occurrences. KICKASS! I have been waiting for this feature since 2005... good thing MS is listening.

That's a feature I loved in Notepad++ that I am glad is now in there. Although Notepad++ highlighted all occurrences.

 

[tatteredpotato]

That's a feature I loved in Notepad++ that I am glad is now in there. Although Notepad++ highlighted all occurrences.

I think the VS method will be superior, as it could help resolve scoping issues.

 

[Markbnj]

Finally moved to 2010 yesterday and migrated all of our solutions. I say "finally" because we had planned it last week but decided to hold until after the production release of our current iteration.

So far I like it a lot. In terms of new features I haven't explored very deeply yet, but I like the document outline view for markup, and the extensions manager. The add references dialog also seems to work a little better, although it's a trade-off.

We've run into two small issues. In the first, adding an existing project to a solution and then building results in warnings about missing references in the added project, but weirdly the build completes. Closing the solution and reloading makes the problem go away.

The other is really minor, and involves images of other windows getting pasted onto the IDE work surface; basically a failure to paint the main and child windows after regaining focus. Easily solved by doing anything to the window that causes it to repaint.