Anyone seen these new SSDs from Intel?

[article22]

Look exciting! Part of the Optane branch I guess from other press releases

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/512...d-3d-tlc-nand-read-1775mb-s-write-560mb-s-128

Looks like it will be released officially tomorrow?
The prices look insane! Over £100 less than Samsung M.2 SSDs at 512GB...

 

[plopke]

600p is not optane since it states 3D nand TLC , and been on their roadmaps at least. And when it comes to pricing , intel does not seam to realize there is a company called Samsung. Or they really just cashing in on their brand name , the 540 was just urgh. Optane will be expensive to very expensive.

Correction ,
Actually for a 512 GB NVMe drive like you stated ,rather low priced. For some reason i was expecting a 256GB version for that price of intel

 

[thilanliyan]

Interesting...so this Optane flash is more reliable than what Samsung is using for example?

 

[dealcorn]

Intel's 3D NAND is technically the same as Micron's and both may be manufactured at Micron's Lehi fab.

Some comments from Micron suggest strong market acceptance of it's 3d NAND by high end cell phone makers. It's 3d NAND tolerates thermal stress better and uses less energy to write than the Samsung product.

Given scarce capacity and some deep pockets in the high end cell phone market, I would not be surprised to see Micron allocate capacity away from desktop markets. Intel's recent announcements may reflect that it's Dalian, China fab is coming on line. Dalian represents a good chunk of capacity and Intel appears to target a broader roll out.

The fact that Optane has 10 times the endurance at 5 times the price of NAND is wholly irrelevant to this discussion of 3D NAND. Optane ain't flash. Different users have different needs. I look forward to Anandtech's deep dive into the relative merits of different 3d NAND alternative after actual products have been reviewed.

 

[article22]

Well I have ordered the 512gb version which should arrive tomorrow.

Will compare it with my SM951 256gb M.2 I have currently...which is applicable as they cost the same amount!
x2 capacity for the same price, both with NVMe and in M.2 format...just hoping the performance is good enough.

If anything it should lower the PM and SM961 prices a little hopefully

 

[TemjinGold]

Newegg has them it seems.

 

[thilanliyan]

The Optane drives have not been released yet as far as I can tell correct? These 600P drives are not Optane as far as I can tell.

 

[KentState]

They don't seem to be that great compared to the other NVMe options, expect for price.

From Newegg:
Max Sequential Read
Up to 1775 MBps
Max Sequential Write
Up to 560 MBps
4KB Random Read
Up to 128,500 IOPS
4KB Random Write
Up to 128,000 IOPS

The Plext M8Pe are faster, but twice the price.

Max Sequential Read
Up to 2300 MBps
Max Sequential Write
Up to 1300 MBps
4KB Random Read
Up to 260,000 IOPS
4KB Random Write
Up to 250,000 IOPS

 

[KingstonU]

I feel like this product seems to have appeared out of nowhere and there is still some confusion regarding it. Can someone confirm if I should be having buyer's remorse for having just purchased a Samsung 1TB 850 EVO SSD for $400 last month? (I don't need anything faster than this)

 

[nerp]

Weren't there some news reports a few months back about how Intel was going to start releasing consumer-priced products with consumer-level performance to round out their SSD offerings? I remember reading something that said they're about to put out a bunch of drives that might disappoint some folks but should compete well where they are getting hammered by Samsung and many of the other vendors like SanDisk and ADATA.

 

[TemjinGold]

I feel like this product seems to have appeared out of nowhere and there is still some confusion regarding it. Can someone confirm if I should be having buyer's remorse for having just purchased a Samsung 1TB 850 EVO SSD for $400 last month? (I don't need anything faster than this)

Err... if you paid $400, assuming you are in the US, you got ripped off pretty badly.

 

[MJose]

2 day's back i have ordered Intel's 750p series 800GB SSD, reviews are quite good. After using only will get to know the performance

 

[nerp]

Read the PcPer review. Very good. Shows that these are awesome performers so long as you don't flood the cache, which is just 8gb for lower capacity models but climbs to 32gb for the 1tb model, which means you won't get into a terrible performance state unless you're doing big long huge writes larger than the cache size, which rarely happens for most people. I am tempted to snag one to cycle my 850 EVO SATA SSD and make it my steam/games drive and use an intel 600p to switch to NVMe PCIe for boot/OS and some primary apps. Then I'd have a spare Samsung 256GB EVO to pop into my wife's aging MacBook which is still thrashing an old spinning hard drive and I think it's dying actually.

 

[KingstonU]

Err... if you paid $400, assuming you are in the US, you got ripped off pretty badly.

In Canada, so that is about $300 USD these days, though I think even beyond the currency difference prices are still a bit more inflated here.

 

[nerp]

Ordered the 512GB model. Woohoo.

I don't expect to be moving files larger than 16GB at more than 200mb/sec for long sustained periods of time anytime soon. Now I have a nice speed upgrade over my 850 EVO SSD, which can now slide over from being a system drive to a game drive, bumping a smaller EVO out of my machine and into my wife's MacBook. Everyone is happy. Discovered I had a pile of Amex rewards available so I saved almost $100 off the price. Final cost was $120 for a 512 PCIe NVMe M.2 SSD!

 

[VirtualLarry]

Shows that these are awesome performers so long as you don't flood the cache, which is just 8gb for lower capacity models but climbs to 32gb for the 1tb model, which means you won't get into a terrible performance state unless you're doing big long huge writes larger than the cache size,

Hmm. I download Linux ISOs, then copy them to my NAS. Would these drives suffer that much under that workload?

I currently use some 128GB Samsung SM951 PCI-E M.2 AHCI drives.

I only get about 240MB/sec 4K QD32 reads on those btw, but my seq read is around 2000MB/sec.

 

[jarablue]

Ordered the 512GB model. Woohoo.

I don't expect to be moving files larger than 16GB at more than 200mb/sec for long sustained periods of time anytime soon. Now I have a nice speed upgrade over my 850 EVO SSD, which can now slide over from being a system drive to a game drive, bumping a smaller EVO out of my machine and into my wife's MacBook. Everyone is happy. Discovered I had a pile of Amex rewards available so I saved almost $100 off the price. Final cost was $120 for a 512 PCIe NVMe M.2 SSD!

What a good deal. Can't beat that!

When Intel fixes the cache issue with a firmware, these drives will be hard to pass up. Will put some pressure on Samsung. For the cost, to me it's a great value.

 

[nerp]

It's here!
Plan on installing tonight.

 

[Sheep221]

Hmm. I download Linux ISOs, then copy them to my NAS. Would these drives suffer that much under that workload?

I currently use some 128GB Samsung SM951 PCI-E M.2 AHCI drives.

I only get about 240MB/sec 4K QD32 reads on those btw, but my seq read is around 2000MB/sec.

Only writing wears out memory cells, not reading(e.g. copying).
Anyway, if you do have NAS, why you are downloading a file to your computer's SSD storage and copying in to NAS when you should just download it to NAS drives directly, if I did understand your post correctly.

 

[nerp]

And we're up and running. Tip No. 1 = save your m.2 screws from your motherboard. I was glad to have it handily sitting in the mobo box. That said, drive install went in perfectly. Installed Windows fresh in record time. Drive is very speedy. I can see a difference in basic stuff over my 850 EVO 512, which I reconnected after the install, nuked and is now a bare drive waiting for download dumps, my OneDrive folder and some Steam games when I load up the Intel SSD over time. Now I have 1TB storage split between the Intel 600p and the 850 EVO.

Popping in a new EVGA Supernova G2 PSU tomorrow and this box is officially done. For good.

I guess I'll keep my eyes peeled for a firmware update to fix the crazy behavior when the cache is flooded but I know I'll never experience that with my usage. Intel SSD Toolbox still doesn't have support for this drive. Soon enough.

 

[nerp]

So I ran the standard benchmark in Crystaldisk on the new 600p 512 and the Samsung 850 EVO 512. I think it shows a few things -- the extra bandwith of nvme and great sequential reads on the 600p. It also shows how amazing Samsung's controller and TLC is, besting the 600p in all but two benchmarks. The problem is these benchmarks don't directly translate to real world performance and benchmark situations aren't at all what real world usage actually ends up being like 100% of the time. Still, it's a measure. And here they are in my rig:

Intel 600p 512gb

Samsung 850 EVO 512gb

NOTE: It turns out I ran this benchmark with Outlook syncing my work email which has 40,000 emails in it without realizing it. I'll run them again sans-Outlook.

 

[guskline]

Just put a 256Gig Intel 660 ssd in an Asus Z170-A build with a 6700k and a Sapphire RX 460. Using an Older Samsung HD (500g) for data.

WOW is that ssd fast. The AIDA 64 Disk benchmark scaores were amazing. Such a tiny piece of hardware.

 

[nerp]

Yes, it's really great. I still have to re-run those benchmarks but I actually feel a difference in day-to-day use with the 600p over the Samsung EVO. No hiccups so far. Still waiting for Intel to update the toolbox to include it and curious if we'll get a firmware update to smooth its cache-full craziness. I have not yet encountered any problems and the slowdown associated with huge long writes has not happened. I was installing steam games at 10mbit plus copying stuff back and forth and it was incredibly fast.

 

[Anubis]

Intel 600p 512gb

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for the cost of those that is very solid

this is the Samsung 950 Pro for comparison, which costs nearly 2x as much

 

[SinOfLiberty]

Lol at this clueless throwing crap, hoping it stinks thread.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?290486-Intel-600p-512GB-SSD-Review-The-Ultimate. The true thread with actual, proper done benches and comparisons.


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