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trenchfoot

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Funny how the people who regulary post links to Fox News stories don't answer the question and just want to say "troll"

Because nobody likes to talk about the smelly crazy uncle who lives down in the basement that has a loud running argument with himself about whether Sarah Palin or Woody Woodpecker would have made a better president than that black muslim commie terrerist appeaser fella now in office.
 
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Being right in the end doesn't make the premise correct. Rationalizing backwards you can always get the desired results. Maybe that makes you feel better about your media choices? If so I feel sorry for you.

Yes, my media choice fed me reality. OH NOES!
 

Charles Kozierok

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More people have exposure to liberal media? Are you seriously this blind?

So you're saying everyone but conservatives are so stupid and brainwashed that when they say they trust the media more than Fox News, it's because of the media itself?

But it's NOT possible that conservatives are so stupid and brainwashed that they can't realize that Fox News just tells them what they want to hear?

You're insane if you believe any media anyways. So to single out one network proves insanity.

Who said I believe them?

I can mistrust all of the media and still recognize that one cable channel is not just biased, but deliberately tilted in a particular direction. They may still have the slogan, but they don't even try to be objective any more, and they proved it this year.
 

Arkaign

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Being right in the end doesn't make the premise correct. Rationalizing backwards you can always get the desired results. Maybe that makes you feel better about your media choices? If so I feel sorry for you.

Fox is an opinion/slanted network famous for cognitive dissonance. MSNBC is the closest thing I can think of.

I think only retards would consider either for a major news source though.
 

HomerJS

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So you're saying everyone but conservatives are so stupid and brainwashed that when they say they trust the media more than Fox News, it's because of the media itself?

But it's NOT possible that conservatives are so stupid and brainwashed that they can't realize that Fox News just tells them what they want to hear?



Who said I believe them?

I can mistrust all of the media and still recognize that one cable channel is not just biased, but deliberately tilted in a particular direction. They may still have the slogan, but they don't even try to be objective any more, and they proved it this year.

Why are loyal Fox viewers the most misinformed??
 

jackstar7

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I find it interesting that people would call "troll" on someone just talking about a television channel.

Shouldn't they be judged and harshly given what they purport to be?

Why shouldn't the role of Fox News be discussed right now? The narrative they were pushing was clearly wrong and that warrants examination.

You get the media you deserve, too.
 

emperus

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Fox is an opinion/slanted network famous for cognitive dissonance. MSNBC is the closest thing I can think of.

I think only retards would consider either for a major news source though.

They are not the same thing. Being slanted for your side does not make it cognitive dissonance. I can turn on MSNBC and know that I am getting advocacy for the left. But the stories I see I have not doubt are accurate. Not on Fox.
 

Arkaign

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They are not the same thing. Being slanted for your side does not make it cognitive dissonance. I can turn on MSNBC and know that I am getting advocacy for the left. But the stories I see I have not doubt are accurate. Not on Fox.

I didn't say they were the same thing, but they're close enough in terms of overt partisanship that I don't value either as worth the time.

And yes, being slanted for a 'side' basically invites cognitive dissonance. That means that some news will be downplayed/ignored, and some will be overplayed/overhyped. This is bad for logic.
 

emperus

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My beef with fox isn't the advocacy. That's fine. Own your bias. 1.) Don't pretend your something your not. and 2.) Don't make ish up.

I only watch Hardball on MSNBC. He's gotten more partisan as of late. I know this so I know where his interviews are coming from. But he is still a strong and forceful interviewer. It is thought provoking and so knowing that I appreciate the program.
 

Charles Kozierok

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I didn't say they were the same thing, but they're close enough in terms of overt partisanship that I don't value either as worth the time.

The problem is that right-wingers don't compare Fox to MSNBC. They compare Fox to ABC, CBS, NBC, NPR, PBS and newspapers.

And that comparison is invalid. While some of those media have a left lean, Fox doesn't lean right -- it's a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Republican Party.

And it's deliberate. Just one piece of evidence: Fox News Radio actually is fair and balanced.
 

randomrogue

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I stopped watching Fox years ago but I did watch clips of the election night coverage. I think using that as a basis for "fair and balanced" is unfair. Clearly what they had there was a guest (Rove) who stepped way out of line. If you watch them they are all flabbergasted by him and how to react to him. I think going forward they'll have to reshape their policies towards guests that question their experts (which clearly were balanced and called the election first) and force their anchors to go down the hall to interrogate them. They should have told him he was wrong and cut away from his commentary and I bet they will in the future if they even have him on again.
 

momeNt

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Yea well Karl Rove's reaction is pretty well in line with a person who just watched their career go up in flames. He pulled in a shitload of money and failed to deliver, he's done.
 

techs

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Yea well Karl Rove's reaction is pretty well in line with a person who just watched their career go up in flames. He pulled in a shitload of money and failed to deliver, he's done.

You'd be surprised.

I agree. The case can be made that Rove did a good job with the money. Rove didn't pick the candidate or run his campaign. The results might have been a lot closer due to Rove.

And, you can't blame him for the Republican candidates who made insane remarks about rape and lost thier elections.

Remember 6 months ago it was looking like the Dems would take the House and they didn't.

Rove may choose to run a campaign again to re-establish his worth.
 

randomrogue

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It's not Rove's fault that Romney sucks or that Romney was the nominee. He did what he could.

Overall Rove's track record is impressive.
 

techs

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It's not Rove's fault that Romney sucks or that Romney was the nominee. He did what he could.

Overall Rove's track record is impressive.

Short of forcing Republicans to vote at gunpoint there was no way he could get anyone super excited over Mitt.
 

Moonbeam

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The problem is that right-wingers don't compare Fox to MSNBC. They compare Fox to ABC, CBS, NBC, NPR, PBS and newspapers.

And that comparison is invalid. While some of those media have a left lean, Fox doesn't lean right -- it's a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Republican Party.

And it's deliberate. Just one piece of evidence: Fox News Radio actually is fair and balanced.

The problem is that Fox News isn't news but a propaganda tool that brainwashes willing victims, people with weak analytical skills who are angry and want to lash out, people who are fearful and seeking comfort, people who are demented and seek certainty and conformation, that there is a bubble reality inside of which they can find what they seek. Fox news confirms and strengthens everything that is irrational and dangerous about the worst of human emotions in the hope they will vote a certain way. Fox News is a disease just as was the German propaganda machine. And the Germans got their own awakening after 50 million deaths. There is a madness in the world and it is fear and the conservative brain has been enlarged to be sensitive to it. In the conservative brain that part that functions to keep thought rational and unaffected by fear has withered away.

The Republican party has been completely swept away by an alternate reality where no rational thought can reach them. They have become functionally insane and in complete and total denial. These delusional patriots and lovers of country have become its greatest threat and danger.

The only question for folk who can still reason with some facility, is how to address this danger. Remember that what these folk will fear is extermination. It is this fear that caused them to kill the Jews. And it is this fear they will project on you. One insane person is challenge enough, but what do you do when the insane are half a nation.

Now add to this the fact that liberals are ill equipped to handle this problem. They aren't alerted by fear, aren't paranoid, won't see the danger till it's too late. All the geese who could warn us have become friends of the barbarians. The sunny upbeat rosy glasses that liberals wear will make them easy victims of slaughter. Take a look at Obama, eaten alive because he was a nice guy who wanted to compromise and work together as one America. He is dealing with folk so insane with fear that all they can see to save themselves is total power. It is madness and fear that create the One Ring.

So Fox News and right winged radio is and are not a news channel(s) or entertainment. They are enemies of the nation.

The question is what to do about them and the madness they create and maybe before it's too late if that date hasn't already passed. Liberal tolerance is a wonderful thing, but so is intolerance of the propagation of world destroying mental illness.

Something I would suggest needs some thinking.
 
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Druidx

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More fair and balanced when compared to MSNBC according to a recent Pew research study.
http://www.journalism.org/analysis_report/winning_media_campaign_2012

As far as I'm concerned, anyone who views Fox or MSNBC as a news station is kidding themselves. The majority of programing on both stations is clearly opinion and commentary, not news. The only reason to watch either station is for entertainment value.
 

jpeyton

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Who still watches cable news?




Wait a sec...who still subscribes to cable TV?
 

ivwshane

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More fair and balanced when compared to MSNBC according to a recent Pew research study.
http://www.journalism.org/analysis_report/winning_media_campaign_2012

As far as I'm concerned, anyone who views Fox or MSNBC as a news station is kidding themselves. The majority of programing on both stations is clearly opinion and commentary, not news. The only reason to watch either station is for entertainment value.

MSNBC is not a news network, they are a political network, they cover the politics behind the stories. MSNBC doesn't hide who they or say they are one thing but then do another.

MSNBC compared to fox is like comparing apples to oranges. CNN on the other hand is a fair comparison as they have about as much "news" coverage as fox.
 

Druidx

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MSNBC is not a news network, they are a political network, they cover the politics behind the stories. MSNBC doesn't hide who they or say they are one thing but then do another.

MSNBC compared to fox is like comparing apples to oranges. CNN on the other hand is a fair comparison as they have about as much "news" coverage as fox.

Do you honestly believe that or is my sarcasm meter broken?
 
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