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Wuzup101

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And hope whoever is taking the application has no sense of smell...

A washing machine, hot shower, and good brushing and you would never know. Obviously if someone just smoked a cigarette and walked into your office to go over their application, you would know something was up.

Again - I don't smoke cigarettes anymore. I do have the occasional cigar. You would never know that by being in my apartment or meeting me at work. The few cigars that I do have are smoked out on the balcony and not in the close that I wear to work.

I would assume that the "do you smoke" question would be dealt with at HR. That means you have to fool someone that you will likely only talk to a few times ever. Seems pretty easy to me. In a really small company, it might be an issue. But if the other option is "don't get hired because you smoke" than fuck it... what do you really have to loose?
 

rsbennett00

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A washing machine, hot shower, and good brushing and you would never know. Obviously if someone just smoked a cigarette and walked into your office to go over their application, you would know something was up.

Again - I don't smoke cigarettes anymore. I do have the occasional cigar. You would never know that by being in my apartment or meeting me at work. The few cigars that I do have are smoked out on the balcony and not in the close that I wear to work.

I would assume that the "do you smoke" question would be dealt with at HR. That means you have to fool someone that you will likely only talk to a few times ever. Seems pretty easy to me. In a really small company, it might be an issue. But if the other option is "don't get hired because you smoke" than fuck it... what do you really have to loose?

I assume you mean "What do you have to lose?" and that would be your reputation. You really want to be known as a liar?

And how do you not understand that it's in your lungs, you can't wash your lungs.
 

MrDudeMan

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I do understand your point, I don't agree with it. There is a difference. We can argue about the practical uses and pros/cons about cars, but it really doesn't matter. The point is there are cleaner and healthier options for most people.

Nope, you don't. People need cars, but sometimes they don't make the best decisions in terms of environmental impact. People never need cigarettes, so the environmental and health related impacts are always net-negatives. Cars actually provide a function even if they're improperly sized for the application, which is what invalidates the foundation of this comparison. This isn't an opinion about smokers, cars, smokers who have cars, rabbits, the moon, or anything else. It's a fact.

There are cars that exist for no practical reason other than there are people who will buy it.

Yes, people buy cars as toys, but it's completely disingenuous to try to use this as a practical example against cars, which is precisely what you're doing. I think toy cars are stupid, but that still has zero impact on this discussion because 99.99% of cars are used for a valid purpose (even if oversized) while 100% of cigarettes are unnecessary. You're getting confused by the gradient among car choices versus the binary distinction between functional versus non-functional.

There are cleaner and healthier options compared to smoking.

There are two choices: smoking and not smoking. You've now effectively suggested that people NEED a vice and smoking isn't the worst one. I don't have any vices. None. There aren't healthier options than smoking for me. There's the option to smoke or not smoke.

Like you say about yourself, I really don't care what people do. If the affect on other people is minimal, I really don't care what someone else does when making choices for their body.

I care 0% what effect it has on you and 100% what effect it has on other people, including me. Minimal isn't the right word because it sets the wrong tone. It's hard to have zero impact on other people and it's hard to quantify the impact of certain things, but smoking isn't in a gray area here... at all. With that said, smokers have less of an impact on other people than fatties do, and, speaking as a former fatty who realized the error of my ways, that should be far worse on the social stigma scale than smoking (it probably is, but I mean it should be a lot worse). I'd rather drink a gallon of a smoker's spit than hire a morbidly obese person due to all the associated issues. Thankfully my line of work requires a level of flexibility that a huge stomach simply will not allow. If you can't fit under a person's house, you can't do the job, and some of the spaces are pretty tight.

So from what I've read in this thread, if a smoker sees this question on a job application, they should simply lie.

I smoked a bit when I was in college and a bit after. Haven't smoked in a few years. Do still enjoy a good cigar every once in a while. I would answer "No" to the original question and would never tell you about my "smoking" past.

If you smoke in any significant capacity, people know. If you do it during the workday, people definitely know. As a matter of fact, I just had this conversation with another business owner. He hired a woman who said no to that question, covered the smell with perfume during the interview, and then took a smoke break on the first day like he wouldn't notice or something. Fired with no unemployment benefits.

No, I don't feel slighted. As I said before none of this affects me. I'll happily lay bare my biases for the world to see: as a general rule I dislike corporations and their reams of policies, and I dislike the people who generate those policies: the directors, the managers, the legions of the useless. I think the average HR person is a massive waste of carbon that could have been fashioned into an implement of some kind. When I see corporations trying to enforce personal behavior through hiring policies I have two reactions: 1) Good for you, you can do what you want; and 2) what a bunch of anal-retentive assholes.

I don't think I'm anal-retentive. I know most people don't want to smell cigarette smoke when they're paying for professional services, so I make sure not to subject them to it. Also, I don't want to smell it in my office. It has nothing to do with the personal decision to smoke.
 

BikeJunkie

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A thread hasn't really reached the epitomy of trolling uselessness until BikeJunkie jumps in.

I don't know, I think your 5 page display of utter contempt for yourself and for others was quite sufficient.

I bet you're a blast at parties.
 

Markbnj

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My company tacks on 80 dollars to your monthly health insurance coverage if you smoke.

And that is fine, imo. They should probably also do it for people who hang glide, base jump, or fly wingsuits, but there aren't that many of them.
 

moonbogg

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Damn. I've been on a different forum for a while, came back here and was shocked at how mean people are to each other compared to the other, much better place. Fuck you guys, especially you piece of shit smokers. Damn dicks. Buncha damn dicks!
 

Wuzup101

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I assume you mean "What do you have to lose?" and that would be your reputation. You really want to be known as a liar?

And how do you not understand that it's in your lungs, you can't wash your lungs.

Reputation damaged from someone who automatically disqualifies someone from a job based on if they smoke or their physical appearance lol... Yeah I'll take my chances.

Note that I'm not saying that smoking is good or that smokers should get extra paid time to take smoke breaks at work. Ban smoking at your office and when employees are on client calls. But to say that they can't do as they wish in their free time is silly. Are you going to start disqualifying people based on their sexual orientation, diet, or dangerous hobbies next?
 

rsbennett00

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Reputation damaged from someone who automatically disqualifies someone from a job based on if they smoke or their physical appearance lol... Yeah I'll take my chances.

I'm not sure you are reading what you are typing.

Employer A asks employer B "What do you know about applicant?"
Employer B answers "Well, she lied on her application."
 

MrDudeMan

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For my line of work, no. I can imagine some lines of work would rightfully care about this.


If by diet you mean the type of food they eat - no

If by diet you mean they shovel food by the bucketload into their gullet - some companies probably can't hire fatties, e.g. commercial pilots have to fit in the cockpit. It's a tad extreme, but the point is still valid.

In the general case, I think fatties should be discriminated against with unmitigated fury. Note: I was overweight for a long time and I feel like I should pull a Dave Chappelle by divorcing my wife because she was okay with it for so long. Fucking gross. I judge her for that especially because she's always been in shape. lol.

dangerous hobbies

If insurance policies have to be provided for every employee, but the policy won't support X, Y, and Z activities (many policies specify this type of stuff), then yes. Also, hiring people can be a major PITA and not something I want to do frequently, so if you're doing something so stupid that you could easily die (not regular stuff like driving a car, more like base jumping every weekend), I'd disqualify you based on what I perceived to be poor decision making skills.
 

Wuzup101

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I'm not sure you are reading what you are typing.

Employer A asks employer B "What do you know about applicant?"
Employer B answers "Well, she lied on her application."

The employers that I've worked for have a policy to only release informatio regarding title and time of employment. That seems to be pretty standard in my industry. I realize that risk vs reward is dependent on what you do. Lying about if you smoke to an employer is equally crazy to the employer asking in the first place. If I was a low skilled worker who's skill set wasn't in demand I might think differently. Asking someone if they smoke on an application is similar to asking them about their religious beliefs or sexual orientation.
 

MrDudeMan

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Asking someone if they smoke on an application is similar to asking them about their religious beliefs or sexual orientation.

lol. Up until now I've taken you slightly seriously, but get the fuck outta here. This is pure BS.
 

Wuzup101

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lol. Up until now I've taken you slightly seriously, but get the fuck outta here. This is pure BS.

While it was a bit of a hyperbole, I'm not sure how sexual orientation or even general sex practices couldn't also be argued in the same manner I.e. risk. No one has ever died from religious beliefs so I will conceded that point.
 

mattpegher

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I smoke, I plan on quitting again within a few years, as long as I quit before 30 health consequences are negligible.

That is not true. Every cigarette you smoke damages your lungs. And no matter how long you have quit for the damage is done. Many of my patients have quit. Many 30 or 40 years ago and still end up with emphysema and copd.

http://openi.nlm.nih.gov/imgs/512/61/2898088/2898088_copd-5-153f2.png

The less you smoke the less damage you do. But you never return to normal.

You cant imagine it now but living continuously short of breath on oxygen is the worst feeling you can imagine.
 

GagHalfrunt

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A washing machine, hot shower, and good brushing and you would never know. Obviously if someone just smoked a cigarette and walked into your office to go over their application, you would know something was up.

So you think a smoker can walk into a stressful situation like a job interview without lighting up? No way. And even in the case of a one in a million type person with that sort of willpower (which of course raises the question about why a person with that sort of willpower is unable to quit) who can somehow make it through the interview without a smoke, so what? Even if they get the job they're going to give it away on the first day. In an office full of people who don't smoke a single person that does sticks out like a sore thumb. It will be clear that the person lied during the interview process and that person will be shit-canned before lunch.
 

AznAnarchy99

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That is not true. Every cigarette you smoke damages your lungs. And no matter how long you have quit for the damage is done. Many of my patients have quit. Many 30 or 40 years ago and still end up with emphysema and copd.

http://openi.nlm.nih.gov/imgs/512/61/2898088/2898088_copd-5-153f2.png

The less you smoke the less damage you do. But you never return to normal.

You cant imagine it now but living continuously short of breath on oxygen is the worst feeling you can imagine.

Am I fucked that I smoke when I'm drunk but I work out everyday?
 

Wuzup101

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So you think a smoker can walk into a stressful situation like a job interview without lighting up? No way. And even in the case of a one in a million type person with that sort of willpower (which of course raises the question about why a person with that sort of willpower is unable to quit) who can somehow make it through the interview without a smoke, so what? Even if they get the job they're going to give it away on the first day. In an office full of people who don't smoke a single person that does sticks out like a sore thumb. It will be clear that the person lied during the interview process and that person will be shit-canned before lunch.

I work on a non smoking campus with quite a few people that smoke but don't smoke during the work day. So yes, I think its entirely possible. Not every smoker smokes 2 packs a day and needs one every 20 minutes. Many have the will power to not smoke before something like an interview because they don't want to smell like smoke during that interview. I've worked closely with several individuals who smoked and we had no clue until we saw them socially outside work. It also depends on company size. If HR asks that question and you get through and don't lite up in front of them at a large company where only HR cares.... Its not likely that anyone will find out later, fire you, give a shit. Obviously this isn't going to work if you need a pack to get you through the work day and you sit right next to the hiring manager. Different strokes for different folks. Not saying smoking is good for anyone's health. Or that companies should allow smoking at work. I just think its stupid to disqualify some for a job because they smoke. You can easily set the policy of no smoking or no browsing anandtech at work!
 

mattpegher

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Am I fucked that I smoke when I'm drunk but I work out everyday?

As smoking is a dose dependent damage. The more you smoke the more damage. If you smoke only occasionally and in small doses, then the damage is less. Exercise does not mitigate damage to the lung tissue. So it is possible to have a strong cardiovascular capacity but be subject to the eventual decline due to emphysema. Eventually the gains produced by exercise will be lost as the lungs become the rate limiting function.
 

Grooveriding

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Nope. Quit 15 years ago. I have one or two cigarettes a couple times a year when I'm drinking with old friends from school and that's it.

If you're still smoking today as an addicted junkie who needs them, well, time to get it together. Nicotine its self is quite harmful, but, all the additive chemicals in cigarettes make it that much worse and together it all puts you at increased risk of a host of fatal and uncomfortable conditions.

Plus it stinks like rotten ass. Cigars and pipe tobacco smell pleasant, but cigarettes just smell like shit and make you smell like shit too.
 

Mixolydian

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ROFLMAO. Your butthurt is becoming really amusing. Thanks, I'm enjoying it. And thanks for yet another in a long line of your intelligent replies.

You wouldn't know anything about intelligent replies. All you've done is try to pass off your bullshit preconceived notions about a group of people as "facts" and common knowledge.
 
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