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I am a truck driver. Id say 70 percent of my coworkers smoke. Thankfully where I work no one is allowed to smoke in the trucks. I don't smoke myself. It really needs to be banned completely in any public places. It's a shame that I can't even go to a pool hall and play pool without smelling that nasty shit.
 

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I am a truck driver. Id say 70 percent of my coworkers smoke. Thankfully where I work no one is allowed to smoke in the trucks. I don't smoke myself. It really needs to be banned completely in any public places. It's a shame that I can't even go to a pool hall and play pool without smelling that nasty shit.

really? texas has not banned smoking in public places yet?
 
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Not in bars unfortunately. I love playing pool and am forced to breathe that nasty shit or quit playing.
 

WilliamM2

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Cigars and pipe tobacco smell pleasant, but cigarettes just smell like shit and make you smell like shit too.

No, they all smell like shit. I even thought so back when I smoked. That's why I never smoked in my house, couldn't stand the smell.

It's hilarious when smokers think they can hide the fact that they smoke. It's impossible.
 

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Smoking is banned in all public places and even in restaurants and bars now in my province, thankfully. I can now actually go and have dinner and drinks at a bar without coming back smelling like an ashtray. It's also banned on planes of course. It's also banned in ALL vehicles, including your own, if there is anyone in the car under the age of 16.

If you work in a public workplace, smoking is banned in all parts of the grounds. I can tell you, it makes for a much more pleasant workplace. No smoke wafting around. However, it's disgusting to walk over to near the bus stop to see a crapload of cig butts on the ground because the smokers are too lazy to pick up after themselves.

I don't agree with banning workers from smoking completely, but I'm extremely happy it no longer can happen on my workplace or in any public place.

And yes, most smokers smell of smoke. Sure, after a fresh shower and a with newly laundered clothes, it's fine, but after that one cigarette, then the smell is back. And if anything, cigars smell worse.
 

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It's not about actively lighting up, it's about transferring those toxins and chemicals to your coworkers.

What exactly do you do? Based on your argument and post history, I'm guessing adult film industry? If that's the case, I can see your argument. For a normal job with people in an office, I don't. In regards to OSHA, tobacco smoke doesn't generally exceed the air quality thresholds under OSHA rules (there would have to be something else in the air). However, that would be if your people were smoking "at work" not "smokers" in general.

Plenty of businesses have put in site wide smoking bans or made designated areas for smoking (which I support). Why? Because that actually does protect everyone in that establishment. When I have a cigar I don't go looking for the nearest group of people so I can blow my smoke on them, and I would expect to be treated in the same manner.

29 states have laws protecting smokers from these hiring practices.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/mone...-01-03/health-care-jobs-no-smoking/52394782/1
 
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IronWing

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When I was little people smoked everywhere, and I don't remember really any whiny bitches bitching about it. I don't smoke but Iron and the other cry babies in this thread should move to China where they have huge business meetings to discuss new brands of cigarettes and pretty much everyone still smokes.

When smoking was legal everywhere in Cali I don't remember much road rage and violence in general was much less common. Smokers will tell you that smoking helps calms them, they're obviously right.
Fuck off.
 

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As stated numerous times in this thread, just because you aren't actively smoking doesn't mean the dangerous toxins and chemicals are gone. Have you ever looked at a smokers teeth?!

So you don't like to hire people who might pass on the toxins on their teeth?
 

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It's hilarious when smokers think they can hide the fact that they smoke. It's impossible.

This. You can sniff out a smoker a mile away, and if someone smokes with any kind of regularity at all, you can tell just by looking at them. Their skin is shit. Their eyes are shit. Their voice is shit. Not that you really need any visual cues, because they smell like shit. From 4 rooms away.

The ultimate is watching all the weak slaves gather around outside when it's 10 degrees out or when it's pouring rain.
 

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I have personally never smoked and don't plan on starting.

Its a waste of money and time.

I'd rather have my health catered by natural means than tamper with my internal structure and potentially damage my lungs.
 
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Smoking is right up there with the guy that lives off the dollar menu at McDonald's in terms of stupidity. Only old farts that didn't know better and got hooked or complete idiots smoke these days.
 

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It's not about actively lighting up, it's about transferring those toxins and chemicals to your coworkers.

You're gonna need to link something that proves that's a real issue, as opposed to something completely imagined by the "alternative healthcare" community.

But I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that you can't, because that proof doesn't exist. And since we're pulling arguments out of thin air, here's mine: a smoker that's not smoking (as in, right this moment) is less radioactive than a banana, and less carcinogenic than your water bottle. Don't eat their lungs and you have little to worry about from such a person.
 

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You're gonna need to link something that proves that's a real issue, as opposed to something completely imagined by the "alternative healthcare" community.

But I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that you can't, because that proof doesn't exist. And since we're pulling arguments out of thin air, here's mine: a smoker that's not smoking (as in, right this moment) is less radioactive than a banana, and less carcinogenic than your water bottle. Don't eat their lungs and you have little to worry about from such a person.

I can't?
 

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Well I learned something today. However, your link only half-supports what you seem to be claiming.

Here's something more succinct.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/adult-health/expert-answers/third-hand-smoke/faq-20057791
Right at the top,
Thirdhand smoke is generally considered to be residual nicotine and other chemicals left on a variety of indoor surfaces by tobacco smoke.
If smoking is done outdoors, as is the case in practically every business, then what? The residue is left on clothing, but that gets washed regularly which ought to limit how much the residue can build up. We don't even know the full risks of third-hand smoke in buildings, so there's no way to quantify the measurable danger, if any, posed by the smoker themself.

Bottom line: third-hand smoke in buildings is recognized and serious, but fourth-hand smoke on smokers themselves is not recognized and unlikely to be serious. Furthermore, there is a quickly growing segment of smokers who won't touch a cigarette, and little to none of the above applies to them at all.
 

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That's some funny stuff there. What kind of people actually think about this? What sort of world do they think they live in? They walk around it in constant contact with thousands of substances they are not even aware of, and they're seriously worried about the residue left by some guy who had a cigarette yesterday?

Anyone who is worried by that prospect should read any of David Bodanis' books. Start with "The Secret House." Then you can spend the rest of your life curled up in the fetal position on your floor wearing a hazmat suit.

Seriously. You're nuts.
 

rsbennett00

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Well I learned something today. However, your link only half-supports what you seem to be claiming.

Here's something more succinct.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/adult-health/expert-answers/third-hand-smoke/faq-20057791
Right at the top, If smoking is done outdoors, as is the case in practically every business, then what? The residue is left on clothing, but that gets washed regularly which ought to limit how much the residue can build up. We don't even know the full risks of third-hand smoke in buildings, so there's no way to quantify the measurable danger, if any, posed by the smoker themself.

Bottom line: third-hand smoke in buildings is recognized and serious, but fourth-hand smoke on smokers themselves is not recognized and unlikely to be serious. Furthermore, there is a quickly growing segment of smokers who won't touch a cigarette, and little to none of the above applies to them at all.

If we agree that third-hand smoke in buildings is an issue, then how can you think that the mouth and lungs of a smoker are cleaner?
 

Ruptga

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Personally, I don't have a hard time accepting the new evidence about third-hand smoke. Anyone that has seen a home where someone has smoked for a decade or two shouldn't, either.

However, one's home and body are completely different things for reasons that should be completely obvious. However, since I'm on ATOT, here we go.

Third-hand smoke is a problem because the smoke settles out and mixes with ambient dust and dirt over long periods of time. Unless a smoker wears the same clothes for weeks or years at a time, comparing them with their home is not fair at all. And how do the experts recommend eliminating third-hand smoke from a home?
Do a pretty thorough cleaning up with detergent. ...
So all we need is to get smokers to do their laundry with laundry detergent and we'll be fine.
 

Markbnj

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Personally, I don't have a hard time accepting the new evidence about third-hand smoke. Anyone that has seen a home where someone has smoked for a decade or two shouldn't, either.

Ever seen a restaurant kitchen where they've been running a fryer for a few years? I'm not challenging the evidence about so-called "third-hand" smoke. I'm saying that no rational person would be in the least bit concerned. When people cherry-pick science to prop up their own emotional feelings the result is always comedy, at least if it doesn't become actual tragedy.
 

Ruptga

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Ever seen a restaurant kitchen where they've been running a fryer for a few years? I'm not challenging the evidence about so-called "third-hand" smoke. I'm saying that no rational person would be in the least bit concerned. When people cherry-pick science to prop up their own emotional feelings the result is always comedy, at least if it doesn't become actual tragedy.

Oh I have seen such a place, just last year I had the pleasure of working at a McDonald's that has been operating continuously for a good thirty years. Never again. I came home smelling and feeling of their fryers, and I didn't even run the damn things, and the things I saw while doing maintenance.

I wouldn't live someplace where a cigarette smoker or a fryer had been long-term unless that place were cleaned thoroughly; they both leave a terrible mess. I also wouldn't be surprised if a survey concluded that fast food fryers are a measurable health risk for workers. Of course, "measurable" doesn't mean "large" or even "significant," which I think is your point. The health risks of third-hand smoke haven't been quantified and they may turn out to be completely insignificant. Still, cigarette smoking is a grimy habit.
 

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I wouldn't live someplace where a cigarette smoker or a fryer had been long-term unless that place were cleaned thoroughly; they both leave a terrible mess. I also wouldn't be surprised if a survey concluded that fast food fryers are a measurable health risk for workers. Of course, "measurable" doesn't mean "large" or even "significant," which I think is your point. The health risks of third-hand smoke haven't been quantified and they may turn out to be completely insignificant. Still, cigarette smoking is a grimy habit.

Right, but is that actually notable? Would you move in anywhere that another human had lived long-term without a thorough cleaning? What if the previous occupant had tons of cats, or cooked massive quantities of spicy Indian food, or had wood fires all day every day, or ran his Harley in the living room for youtube videos, or cooked meth in the bathroom, or brewed yeasty beer in the closet, or... you get the idea. In other words, it's just a way to take something "about smokers" that is actually about everyone, and make it look like there is some unusual level of noxiousness. My point is that there isn't. And since there isn't, what's left is emotion.
 
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