Anyone still smoke?

[Childs]

While it was a bit of a hyperbole, I'm not sure how sexual orientation or even general sex practices couldn't also be argued in the same manner I.e. risk. No one has ever died from religious beliefs so I will conceded that point.

What? People die from that crap all the time. Even worse, it kills other people. Don't concede it!

All this really is is discrimination against smokers. There are a million things a employer and insurer could do to potentially reduce insurance premiums, like filter out applicants by race, age, alcohol use, sex, sexual orientation, automobile, weight, neighborhood, hobbies, etc, but they don't. At least not where is blatantly obvious like on a job application. Just smokers. And criminals.

And don't give me that smoke smells like crap excuse. If you've worked in tech you've been close to an overweight person, or someone on a visa that smells even worse. In fact, you will need a smoke to breathe clearly after standing next to them for 5 minutes. Just have to man up and deal with it.

While I don't want anyone telling me what I can and cannot do, the flip side is a person should be able to hire whoever they want. So meh, whatever. I'd just take my talents to some other company.

 

[rsbennett00]

What? People die from that crap all the time. Even worse, it kills other people. Don't concede it!

All this really is is discrimination against smokers. There are a million things a employer and insurer could do to potentially reduce insurance premiums, like filter out applicants by race, age, alcohol use, sex, sexual orientation, automobile, weight, neighborhood, hobbies, etc, but they don't. At least not where is blatantly obvious like on a job application. Just smokers. And criminals.

And don't give me that smoke smells like crap excuse. If you've worked in tech you've been close to an overweight person, or someone on a visa that smells even worse. In fact, you will need a smoke to breathe clearly after standing next to them for 5 minutes. Just have to man up and deal with it.

While I don't want anyone telling me what I can and cannot do, the flip side is a person should be able to hire whoever they want. So meh, whatever. I'd just take my talents to some other company.

It's not discrimination when you are actively preventing employees from being harmed by others.

Do you really believe that smoking isn't harmful?

 

[squarecut1]

While I cannot stand cigarette smoke, I'm sure there are more advanced and developed countries than us where it would be illegal to even ask the smoking question to a job applicant

 

[Wuzup101]

It's not discrimination when you are actively preventing employees from being harmed by others.

Do you really believe that smoking isn't harmful?

Just don't allow smoking on site at work or have a designated smoking area that is out of the way (similar to not allowing smoking indoors). That's not the same as not hiring / automatically dismissing someone who uses tobacco.

 

[Childs]

It's not discrimination when you are actively preventing employees from being harmed by others.

Do you really believe that smoking isn't harmful?

You can say the same thing about protecting your male employees from homosexuals by not hiring them. You are not preventing anyone from being harmed by a smoker unless they are smoking in the office. If a person wants to smoke outside of work, thats their business.

 

[Markbnj]

I'm not sure you are reading what you are typing.

Employer A asks employer B "What do you know about applicant?"
Employer B answers "Well, she lied on her application."

I apologize for my second post in this thread. You obviously are not in HR.

 

[John Connor]

I would have answered your first question with "None of your fucking business."

THIS! It's all about health insurance premiums. I would never say I smoke.

 

[John Connor]

With the pot legalization carp will employers ask if you smoke pot?

Oh ya, banging the HR lady has it's advantages. :twisted: LOL!

 

[Ruptga]

It's not discrimination when you are actively preventing employees from being harmed by others.

Except, no.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/discrimination

Factoring anything, anything at all, into your decision-making is discrimination. The act of discriminating is neither good nor bad in itself, that depends entirely upon how justified the discriminator's criteria are. Don't muddy the waters by trying to pretend that discrimination only happens to things we don't like.

 

[rsbennett00]

THIS! It's all about health insurance premiums. I would never say I smoke.

Except it has nothing to do with insurance. We don't have health insurance, period.

Except, no.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/discrimination

Factoring anything, anything at all, into your decision-making is discrimination. The act of discriminating is neither good nor bad in itself, that depends entirely upon how justified the discriminator's criteria are. Don't muddy the waters by trying to pretend that discrimination only happens to things we don't like.

Perhaps it is discrimination but we have to conform to OSHA as well, it clearly states "Employers also have a general duty under the OSH Act to provide their employees with work and a workplace free from recognized, serious hazards."

 

[Carson Dyle]

I thought smokers were mostly gone by now but I've run into two of them in the last month so now I'm not sure.

Locally, I see an outrageous percentage of people in the service industry - bartenders, cooks, servers, plus all of their managers - who smoke. I'm sure it's well over 50%.

I suppose if you're not bright enough to realize that being a waitress or a bartender at age 35 is a dead end career, then you probably also don't realize how stupid it is to smoke.

 

[PlanetJosh]

Non smoker. Had about 3 cigarettes decades ago and smoked some weed in the Army (US Army) back in the 70's.

 

[QueBert]

When I was little people smoked everywhere, and I don't remember really any whiny bitches bitching about it. I don't smoke but Iron and the other cry babies in this thread should move to China where they have huge business meetings to discuss new brands of cigarettes and pretty much everyone still smokes.

When smoking was legal everywhere in Cali I don't remember much road rage and violence in general was much less common. Smokers will tell you that smoking helps calms them, they're obviously right.

 

[John Connor]

Except it has nothing to do with insurance. We don't have health insurance, period.

Then why the FUCK does the app have that question? Pretty damn dumb and an intrusion on ones privacy.

 

[Ruptga]

Except it has nothing to do with insurance. We don't have health insurance, period.



Perhaps it is discrimination but we have to conform to OSHA as well, it clearly states "Employers also have a general duty under the OSH Act to provide their employees with work and a workplace free from recognized, serious hazards."

Isnt the osha acronym something about occupational safety and health? Smoking is not an occupational hazard, it is something one does in their free time. The only time smoking would ever be an occupational hazard is in the case of bartenders/servers and actors, plus possibly stage and film crew. Anything beyond that is a stretch, at best. The health angle only works if insurance is involved, and the smoke breaks/down time angle is a bunch of crap, considering how few breaks most workers get. Give everyone 10-15 minutes every two hours, if they want to spend it relaxing with some nicotine that is their business.

 

[Broheim]

That is not true. Every cigarette you smoke damages your lungs. And no matter how long you have quit for the damage is done. Many of my patients have quit. Many 30 or 40 years ago and still end up with emphysema and copd.

http://openi.nlm.nih.gov/imgs/512/61/2898088/2898088_copd-5-153f2.png

The less you smoke the less damage you do. But you never return to normal.

You cant imagine it now but living continuously short of breath on oxygen is the worst feeling you can imagine.

study upon study has found that by quitting before 30 the chances of health consequences are reduced to the point where it's almost the same as nonsmokers.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/quitting-smoking-before-40-erases-damage-to-health-1.1304433

http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/news/20040608/quit-smoking-before-age-35-to-regain-health

that's just a couple, of course not smoking is way healthier, but non smokers can still develop emphysema and COPD without ever being near a cigarette.

 

[rsbennett00]

Then why the FUCK does the app have that question? Pretty damn dumb and an intrusion on ones privacy.

As stated numerous times in this thread, just because you aren't actively smoking doesn't mean the dangerous toxins and chemicals are gone. Have you ever looked at a smokers teeth?!

 

[rsbennett00]

Isnt the osha acronym something about occupational safety and health? Smoking is not an occupational hazard, it is something one does in their free time. The only time smoking would ever be an occupational hazard is in the case of bartenders/servers and actors, plus possibly stage and film crew. Anything beyond that is a stretch, at best. The health angle only works if insurance is involved, and the smoke breaks/down time angle is a bunch of crap, considering how few breaks most workers get. Give everyone 10-15 minutes every two hours, if they want to spend it relaxing with some nicotine that is their business.

It's not about actively lighting up, it's about transferring those toxins and chemicals to your coworkers.

 

[rsbennett00]

I'm not sure I'm continuing with this thread. It feels like the smokers or smoker advocates are just trolling now.

 

[OutHouse]

With the pot legalization carp will employers ask if you smoke pot?

they do, its called the pre-employment drug test of which some companies have added nicotine to that list of drugs to screen for.

 

[rsbennett00]

I apologize for my second post in this thread. You obviously are not in HR.

No, I'm not HR nor management. I'm just picky about who I work with so I handle the interviews.

 

[OutHouse]

Locally, I see an outrageous percentage of people in the service industry - bartenders, cooks, servers, plus all of their managers - who smoke. I'm sure it's well over 50%

yup, low wage workers is the majority demographic of people i see smoke. for example, there is a building next to our that a food truck comes to every morning at 0915. in this building is a call center for some sort of tax shit. i swear to God when all the workers come out (about 20 or so) nearly every single one of them start smoking. its like its a job requirement or something. THEN to top it all off i hear a few of them, (normally the same ones) tell the guy running the food truck that he will pay him tomorrow for that $1.75 burrito he has in his hand while sucking on a cigarette.

wtf!!! they guy who has the food truck is a nice guy and says ok. but i would be the dick and say hey pal, you can afford 7 bucks for that pack of smokes but not $1.75 for a burrito? the answer is no, now get lost.

 

[OutHouse]

I could taste it in her mouth

wtf, you french kiss your job applicants? does that include men too?

 

[BikeJunkie]

When smoking was legal everywhere in Cali I don't remember much road rage and violence in general was much less common. Smokers will tell you that smoking helps calms them, they're obviously right.

Ahh, the tried and true "correlation == causation" argument. Well played :thumbsup:

 

[OutHouse]

So you think a smoker can walk into a stressful situation like a job interview without lighting up? No way

lol I am amazed the dumb ass views some of you have about smoking. to answer your question, YES!