Anyone use a CPAP machine?

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Ns1

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Back on topic, sorry you're having problems. Insurance companies do not do us much favors in terms of getting people equipment that works best for them quickly, and often they are suffering pretty badly in the process. However, absolutely stick with it and jump through any hoops you have to. My experience with patients is that the large majority adjust after a few months use and often switch over to "can't live without it" due to improved sleep quality. That adjustment period is rough, and full of very anxiety provoking bodily sensations which condition us to say "NO". Realize, however, that your body did that same adjustment to lack of oxygen just over a much longer period of time. Good luck!

I had Kaiser when I got my sleepstudy and it was so ridiculously easy. 3 appts, no flak, maybe $100 out of pocket INCLUDING the cpap machine.
 

AdamK47

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Gosh, that's brilliant. I was having this argument with my mom the other day. She was saying there's no way we should be giving away guns in school to minors. I said if they receive proper training on gun safety then that will mitigate the risk. Most of them will go ahead and nip that in the bud if we just recommend it to them, right? They're responsible enough. I figure by age 18 they'll have figured it out. And gun accidents are pretty rare. So, age 15 would be a good age to give them the guns right?!

I have no idea how this is even applicable to my reply. This is just rambling.

My answer to you is: potato
 

umbrella39

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It would seem like proper diet and exercise would be a better path. Not only would it alleviate this problem, it would also lessen a long list of other problems. That's hard work though. Who has time and energy for that?

See my post above about central sleep apnea and thin folks who have obstructive sleep apnea. Neither of these conditions are weight related or solved. Dreaming thin dreams won't help these two patient populations. Not that it matters but I am a respiratory therapist working in a busy hospital and put at least 5-10 of these on patients on a nightly basis.
 

umbrella39

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Yes. We have seen this advertised in several publications. If/when they do roll these out, it will be interesting to see what kinds of pressures this can generate. They are claiming it will be able to deliver up to +20. I am skeptical. It looks like the bulk/profile on the one pictured on the female is a bit different than the one being held in the hand. I would think that some sort of strap device would still be needed to keep in in place unless you are the kind of person who can sleep in one position all night long. This is basically nasal pillows without the tubing nor the ability to provide humidity. Looks interesting though...
 
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GasX

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Doctors don't diagnose OSA by sight. .
Anesthesiologists make a clinical diagnosis based on eyeballing and interviewing patients all the time and plan their anesthesia accordingly. Keep in mind, this is not a Dx that will transfer on to other practitioners and open up cpap use or other treatment. It's merely managing expectations during the perioperative period...
 

umbrella39

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Anesthesiologists make a clinical diagnosis based on eyeballing and interviewing patients all the time and plan their anesthesia accordingly. Keep in mind, this is not a Dx that will transfer on to other practitioners and open up cpap use or other treatment. It's merely managing expectations during the perioperative period...

In other words, MD's DO's, PA's NP's, CRNA's, etc still need a sleep study to diagnose then have the pertinent data to have the machine set to the correct pressure for the patient's home machine I have had hundreds of orders to put patients with no OSA diagnosis on AUTO CPAPs @ HS based on hunches secondary to body habitus or due to the fact the patient was snoring last night. We have to call the person who ordered it and remind them the patient needs overnight pulse oximetry trends to justify the use first...
 

SunnyD

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Same thing as people today who have uncontrolled or unrecognized sleep apnea - develop hypertension, cardiomyopathy, cardiac arrhythmia, premature heart disease, heart attacks, or died prematurely.

There's no such thing as dying prematurely.

And honestly with what, 9 billion people ruining this planet, we could stand to shed a few from natural causes. (Yes, if I'm one of them so be it)
 

TheGardener

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Gosh, that's brilliant. I was having this argument with my mom the other day. She was saying there's no way we should be giving away guns in school to minors. I said if they receive proper training on gun safety then that will mitigate the risk. Most of them will go ahead and nip that in the bud if we just recommend it to them, right? They're responsible enough. I figure by age 18 they'll have figured it out. And gun accidents are pretty rare. So, age 15 would be a good age to give them the guns right?!
Did you post in the wrong thread? CPAP and sleep disorders are the subject at hand. Maybe you got a poor night's sleep.
 

TheGardener

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There's no such thing as dying prematurely.

And honestly with what, 9 billion people ruining this planet, we could stand to shed a few from natural causes. (Yes, if I'm one of them so be it)
You win the Compassionate Poster of the Year Award.
 

Ns1

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There's no such thing as dying prematurely.

And honestly with what, 9 billion people ruining this planet, we could stand to shed a few from natural causes. (Yes, if I'm one of them so be it)

Welp, let's stop the cancer research right now guys, there's no point.
 

boomerang

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Went in complaining of shortness of breath. Had a stress test, heart is OK, blood work is good, all is good. PCP refers me to a lung doc. Got on the breathing machine (whatever they call it) and the results were OK. Not necessarily bad, not necessarily good. Doc sends me home with thing to clip on my finger overnight to record my oxygen levels. They say they are good but they are seeing indications that I am waking up two to maybe three times a night - hard to tell for sure. I get asked a lot of questions, got a questionnaire for my wife to fill out. Doctor keeps pushing to have a sleep study done although he repeatedly says that I don't have a problem requiring it. I'm starting to get the impression that there is good bucks for him to have the study and for me to get a CPAP. He pushes this repeatedly while telling me in the same breath that I don't need to do all that. My situation doesn't warrant it.

OK Doc, what about the shortness of breath. He says I may have a partially paralyzed diaphragm. He schedules me for a fluoroscope of my diaphragm. Well, my diaphragm on my right side is moving about an inch or slightly more. On the left it's moving 6 1/2 to 7 inches. He schedules me for a CAT or an MRI of my lungs. (I can never remember which is which, had one or the other). They see nothing.

What now Doc? 'See you back in a year. You're compensating well.'

I'm thinking I need a different lung doctor.
 

Ns1

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Shut down all the ERs and hospitals for that matter.

no, we need to still save people from UNNATURAL causes of death, it's the NATURAL causes that we should stop giving a shit about.


so fuck vaccines basically.
 

tcsenter

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so fuck vaccines basically.
And antibiotics, antifungals, surgical intervention for dangerous acute (appendicitis) or recurring infections (otitis media), most dentistry, heart valve defects, strokes, so on and so forth. Just wait long enough, it will sort itself out, one way or the other!
 

CA19100

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What tips do you guys have for using these things?

I just had to start it a few months ago. I don't like it, but it does get easier after a few weeks.

I'm using the same machine you have, and the ResMed Airfit P10 mask, which (after a few days of getting used to it) I find comfortable. I hardly know the straps are there because it's so lightweight, so that might be one to try if you haven't already.

The mouth coming open thing happens occasionally, but not as often as it did when I started. Best thing I ever did, if you can get over how ridiculous it looks, is put a HoseBuddy at the head of your bed to get that damn hose out of my way. It made things way, way more comfortable for me: Amazon link

Good luck!
 

GeekDrew

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I'm normally up a couple hours past midnight, sleep study starts at like 9pm or so. I absolutely can't sleep on my back with a normal pillow.

This is why (well, one of two reasons) I refuse to have a sleep study done, despite being referred for it repeatedly. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I'm not going to sleep well laying flat on my back, or if I'm in bed 4-6 hours earlier than usual, much less both at once. If you want to study me, fine, but it's going to be on my terms. And yes, if my stubbornness leads to my "premature" death, so be it.
 

Ns1

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This is why (well, one of two reasons) I refuse to have a sleep study done, despite being referred for it repeatedly. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I'm not going to sleep well laying flat on my back, or if I'm in bed 4-6 hours earlier than usual, much less both at once. If you want to study me, fine, but it's going to be on my terms. And yes, if my stubbornness leads to my "premature" death, so be it.

for some companies, they give you the equipment to take home and you do your sleep study at home.
 

tcsenter

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What tips do you guys have for using these things?
Here is my tip: I have met two persons with family members or friends who were diagnosed with sleep apnea, did not use their machine. One died in their sleep and the other from a fatal arrhythmia at a premature age due to cardiomyopathy.

I personally had six episodes of atrial fibrillation that finally was attributed to sleep apnea. Since using my CPAP (and getting the pressure right), I have not had a recurrence. There is NO reason that any of those episodes could not have been a fatal type rather than atrial fibrillation, which is very common and usually not fatal. Just got lucky. It was a major pain to get used to, but I did it.

If you are getting really dry, sounds like you need more humidity in the circuit. Does your CPAP have a humidifier chamber or attachment?
 

interchange

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Did you post in the wrong thread? CPAP and sleep disorders are the subject at hand. Maybe you got a poor night's sleep.

Man. I guess the satire was too subtle...

Basically I was likening AdamK47's suggestion that people with sleep apnea simply lose weight to idea of giving firearms to minors and telling them they really ought to take a gun safety course.
 

pontifex

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I just had to start it a few months ago. I don't like it, but it does get easier after a few weeks.

I'm using the same machine you have, and the ResMed Airfit P10 mask, which (after a few days of getting used to it) I find comfortable. I hardly know the straps are there because it's so lightweight, so that might be one to try if you haven't already.

The mouth coming open thing happens occasionally, but not as often as it did when I started. Best thing I ever did, if you can get over how ridiculous it looks, is put a HoseBuddy at the head of your bed to get that damn hose out of my way. It made things way, way more comfortable for me: Amazon link

Good luck!
I ordered a different hose thing but it works the same way.
 
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