Anyone with MCITP certificate?

[nusyo]

I guess I would like to know what are the chances to get hired with the MCITP certificate alone? and what would a "real" entry salary be?

I do have an idea, but when I am researching it online, the numbers go up and down and also some websites have 2-3 years old data, so I thought to ask here, since there are fox who work in the field and really know their stuff.

[yes i know, the more certificates, the better so I am pretty sure I won't stop at MCITP ... I just wanna know what kind of jobs i would be able to get in order to build the needed "years of experience"]

Thanks.

 

[yinan]

I have had it since 2008. Entry level depends on the area you live.

 

[Agamar]

Same here. I got mine in 2008. Since I already have 10 years experience, and a few other certifications, it really didn't make much difference. Made me buckle down and read some material though.

 

[Jamsan]

MCITP what? There's about 20 different MCITP certifications.

 

[nusyo]

yes, sorry i missed the basic info

I am referring to Microsoft Windows Server 2008, Server Administrator (Exam #70-646 to be more specific).
I am also preparing for CompTIA Network+ at the same time ... but I am focusing more on MCITP (as i said before, I am not planing to stop there, but building your own computers and design/run your own windows server doesn't qualify as "experience" .... so that's why I am asking the questions from my previous post)

 

[Jeff7181]

50-60k in a shitty economy like Michigan. I'll let someone in a less dismal part of the country speak from experience.

 

[Emulex]

Pretty much worthless without experience to back it.

 

[Jeff7181]

Pretty much worthless without experience to back it.

Well yeah... unfortunately it's no longer safe to assume somebody with a cert like this has experience. Now, with all these practice tests and cheat sheets, if you have a good memory you can pass the tests and not understand a damn thing.

 

[lowrider69]

Even with experience I don't think he would even get 50-60k in most parts of the country IMO with the way things are.

 

[LxMxFxD4]

Certs are extremely important to managers. No one cares about my comp sci degree, just my certs.

That said, my certs aren't the reason I work in IT. Communication skills, writing skills, management skills, reliability (with historic proof) and people skills combined are probably 50% of an interview, with the other 50% being your tech knowledge.

Bottom line: A smelly, introverted nerd with bad teeth will not be the enterprise admin for a company paying $80 to 90k.

 

[Genx87]

Well yeah... unfortunately it's no longer safe to assume somebody with a cert like this has experience. Now, with all these practice tests and cheat sheets, if you have a good memory you can pass the tests and not understand a damn thing.

Been like this from the beginning. I have met so many paper MCSE and CCNA's in my day it makes me sick. But luckily they weed themselves out rather quickly when their incompetence displays for all the see often and early. And I get to fix the path of destruction they leave.

 

[nusyo]

Thanks for all the feedback.

I am in my late 20s, so beating the system is not in my books anymore.

The reason i started this thread is to get an idea/advice from those who work in the field. Since I am working 10-12 hours a day, I am aware that it will take me longer to get the certs..... just wanted to make sure I don't invest time (in something i like) that is overlooked unless you have bachelor degree.

 

[lowrider69]

Certs are extremely important to managers. No one cares about my comp sci degree, just my certs.

That said, my certs aren't the reason I work in IT. Communication skills, writing skills, management skills, reliability (with historic proof) and people skills combined are probably 50% of an interview, with the other 50% being your tech knowledge.

Bottom line: A smelly, introverted nerd with bad teeth will not be the enterprise admin for a company paying $80 to 90k.

Even with a Colgate smile, experience and the personality of a T.V. show host it's still a bad market right now. If you've had the same job for a while and are making good money...don't quit and pray you don't get laid off.

By the way i'm not trying to discourage anybody, just an observation I have made based on people I know in this line of work who have the above qualifications(good people skills, communication skills, writing skills, knowledge, experience, etc..) and things aren't that rosey for them.

 

[nusyo]

Even with a Colgate smile, experience and the personality of a T.V. show host it's still a bad market right now. If you've had the same job for a while and are making good money...don't quit and pray you don't get laid off.

By the way i'm not trying to discourage anybody, just an observation I have made based on people I know in this line of work who have the above qualifications(good people skills, communication skills, writing skills, knowledge, experience, etc..) and things aren't that rosey for them.

quick question: isn't this a field that every single business (depends on type & size) needs in order to go further or to do business on daily basis? ... I am referring from the technology point of view (like security, users management ... pretty much everything IT)

I hate to answer my own question ... but i guess it is the same as construction, like building new houses ..... people need them, but 'cause of the bad economy you're forced to go at a slower pace and just get by with whatever you can build.

 

[Genx87]

A big rule in the IT world. IT budgets are typically the first cut because the balance sheet shows it as an outflow of cash. They are also the last funded when good times return. The bean counters cant accurately place a value on their IT organization. People know IT drives the company but cant point to a revenue generated dollar amount on a piece of paper.

That said these economic times are a good time to get these certs done. If only just so you understand the technology better. I started training for my MCITP last month.

 

[LxMxFxD4]

Even with a Colgate smile, experience and the personality of a T.V. show host it's still a bad market right now. If you've had the same job for a while and are making good money...don't quit and pray you don't get laid off.

By the way i'm not trying to discourage anybody, just an observation I have made based on people I know in this line of work who have the above qualifications(good people skills, communication skills, writing skills, knowledge, experience, etc..) and things aren't that rosey for them.

I'm not trying to be an asshole with what im about to say, but... it isn't bad market, you mean poor market. This is the kind of thing that hiring managers look for in resumes and will note it when you are being interviewed.

Again, I am not saying this to be an asshole, but proper grammar and spelling can easily lead to not being selected for the next round of interviews. I cannot stress enough how often i've been hired because I stand out not because of my tech knowledge (lets face it, 90% of problems can be googled now) but because of personality traits like attention to details like this.

 

[jlazzaro]

I'm not trying to be an asshole with what im about to say, but... it isn't bad market, you mean poor market. This is the kind of thing that hiring managers look for in resumes and will note it when you are being interviewed.

Again, I am not saying this to be an asshole, but proper grammar and spelling can easily lead to not being selected for the next round of interviews. I cannot stress enough how often i've been hired because I stand out not because of my tech knowledge (lets face it, 90% of problems can be googled now) but because of personality traits like attention to details like this.

bad, poor, etc...give me a break. this is a technical forum, not his resume. i've interviewed hundreds of engineers (CCNA through multi-CCIE) and i am much more concerned with relevant experience and the ability to think on your feet than petty grammar. an illiterate candidate wouldn't make it past HR.

90% of problems can be solved with google if you're a low-level helpdesk goon. if/when you make it past entry level positions, you'll get see what a "technical" interview really is.

 

[theevilsharpie]

lets face it, 90% of problems can be googled now

lulz

 

[lowrider69]

I'm not trying to be an asshole with what im about to say, but... it isn't bad market, you mean poor market. This is the kind of thing that hiring managers look for in resumes and will note it when you are being interviewed.

Again, I am not saying this to be an asshole, but proper grammar and spelling can easily lead to not being selected for the next round of interviews. I cannot stress enough how often i've been hired because I stand out not because of my tech knowledge (lets face it, 90% of problems can be googled now) but because of personality traits like attention to details like this.

Bad market, poor market, bad economy, poor economy..most people wouldn't give a shit.

I do quite well for myself and i'm obviously not a English professor. Oh well, nice try though.


By the way I believe it's I'm not im, I've not i've...attention to details. Many people including me slack with grammar, punctuation, etc.. on the internet.

 

[Jeff7181]

Thanks for all the feedback.

I am in my late 20s, so beating the system is not in my books anymore.

The reason i started this thread is to get an idea/advice from those who work in the field. Since I am working 10-12 hours a day, I am aware that it will take me longer to get the certs..... just wanted to make sure I don't invest time (in something i like) that is overlooked unless you have bachelor degree.

A cert will help you get interviews. Your knowledge, cert or not, will help you get the job.