Anything wrong with using black to describe ehtnicity?

[dartworth]

Originally posted by: DanJ

Originally posted by: dartworth
-Used as a disparaging term for a poor white person of the rural, especially southeast United States.

-Used as a disparaging term for a white person.

Yea, so, we all know its a bad term. I'm simply saying that it in no way carries the same emotional and historical weight of the N word.

Dude...it is a racist word. Plan and simple. I don't give a fvck what weight you put on it. Dance around the word all you want, it still is racist...


nig·ger ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ngr)
n. Offensive Slang

Used as a disparaging term for a Black person: ?You can only be destroyed by believing that you really are what the white world calls a great person? (James Baldwin).

Used as a disparaging term for a member of any dark-skinned people.

Used as a disparaging term for a member of any socially, economically, or politically deprived group of people: ?Gun owners are the new awesome people... of society? (John Aquilino).


Same definition for both words...

 

Yea, so, we all know its a bad term. I'm simply saying that it in no way carries the same emotional and historical weight of the N word.

I doesn't matter, cracker is jst as offensive to me as N is to a black person, it is derogatory in nature.
It's just a way to put someone who is not your color down.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
, yesterday, my 3 yr old saw a black guy running and he says "Why is the brown man running?".

Who cares!?!?!

because it was cute that he used the word BROWN to describe the guy as he isn't familiar with common terminology.

using descriptive terminology should NOT carry a negative connotation.

 

[notfred]

I prefer "negro" or "person of color".

 

[cronos]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
, yesterday, my 3 yr old saw a black guy running and he says "Why is the brown man running?".

Who cares!?!?!

exactly my point!!

 

[DanJ]

Originally posted by: Roger

Yea, so, we all know its a bad term. I'm simply saying that it in no way carries the same emotional and historical weight of the N word.

I doesn't matter, cracker is jst as offensive to me as N is to a black person, it is derogatory in nature.
It's just a way to put someone who is not your color down.

And what; you've weighted this? You know this because you've been a black person and have been called the N word? Does being called a cracker make you think about yourself exclusively or does it also make you think about the struggle of your people that has existed since you were forced into this country back in the day to work for nothing? Don't you think the N word carries both of these conditions. Does that perhaps tip the scale in its favor?

OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE BOTH DEROGATORY. I'm not implying that they're not. I'm saying some words carry different conotations, different baggage. I could care if the dictionary says they're the same. As a people looking back at our history I'd hope we can see that they are perhaps not the same.

Really didn't expect this much resentment towards this opinion though I must say.

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: DanJ

Originally posted by: dartworth
-Used as a disparaging term for a poor white person of the rural, especially southeast United States.

-Used as a disparaging term for a white person.

Yea, so, we all know its a bad term. I'm simply saying that it in no way carries the same emotional and historical weight of the N word.

I am waiting for DanJ to post a reparations thread...

 

[Red Dawn]

Emmm..Ritz!

 

[DanJ]

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: DanJ

Originally posted by: dartworth
-Used as a disparaging term for a poor white person of the rural, especially southeast United States.

-Used as a disparaging term for a white person.

Yea, so, we all know its a bad term. I'm simply saying that it in no way carries the same emotional and historical weight of the N word.

I am waiting for DanJ to post a reparations thread...

Yea because that somehow correlates. Keep fishing. I'm simply saying that some derogatory words have different weight. The best example I can think of right now is bitch vs. the C word.

DIFFERENT WEIGHTS IS ALL I'M SAYING. CRACKER != N WORD.

BUT THEY ARE BOTH BAD.

 

[jjones]

Nothing wrong with it at all.

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: DanJ
Yea because that somehow correlates. Keep fishing. I'm simply saying that some derogatory words have different weight. The best example I can think of right now is bitch vs. the C word.

DIFFERENT WEIGHTS IS ALL I'M SAYING. CRACKER != N WORD.

BUT THEY ARE BOTH BAD.

bitch is to c*nt as crack is to n!gger?

umm, maybe bitch is to c*nt as stupid white boy is to cracker...

Cracker is the worst derogatory term for a white person just as the N word is for a black person.

Helooooooo double standard

 

[azazyel]

Originally posted by: DanJ

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: DanJ

Originally posted by: dartworth
-Used as a disparaging term for a poor white person of the rural, especially southeast United States.

-Used as a disparaging term for a white person.

Yea, so, we all know its a bad term. I'm simply saying that it in no way carries the same emotional and historical weight of the N word.

I am waiting for DanJ to post a reparations thread...

Yea because that somehow correlates. Keep fishing. I'm simply saying that some derogatory words have different weight. The best example I can think of right now is bitch vs. the C word.

DIFFERENT WEIGHTS IS ALL I'M SAYING. CRACKER != N WORD.

BUT THEY ARE BOTH BAD.

I still don't agree with you. Try being a white minority for awhile and see how you like being called white boy or craker like it was your first name.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: DanJ
Yea because that somehow correlates. Keep fishing. I'm simply saying that some derogatory words have different weight. The best example I can think of right now is bitch vs. the C word.

DIFFERENT WEIGHTS IS ALL I'M SAYING. CRACKER != N WORD.

BUT THEY ARE BOTH BAD.

bitch is to c*nt as crack is to n!gger?

umm, maybe bitch is to c*nt as stupid white boy is to cracker...

Cracker is the worst derogatory term for a white person just as the N word is for a black person.

Helooooooo double standard

No it isn't, Honkie is much worse.

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
No it isn't, Honkie is much worse.

Any word popularized by George Jeffferson can't really be taken seriously as an epithet...

 

[DanJ]

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: DanJ
Yea because that somehow correlates. Keep fishing. I'm simply saying that some derogatory words have different weight. The best example I can think of right now is bitch vs. the C word.

DIFFERENT WEIGHTS IS ALL I'M SAYING. CRACKER != N WORD.

BUT THEY ARE BOTH BAD.

bitch is to c*nt as crack is to n!gger?

umm, maybe bitch is to c*nt as stupid white boy is to cracker...

Cracker is the worst derogatory term for a white person just as the N word is for a black person.

Helooooooo double standard

Alright, I can see we're not on the same page maybe. Just because you believe that Cracker is the worst thing a white person can be called, does not automatically mean that it equates with the same weight to the worst thing a black person can be called. You say bitch is to c*nt as stupid white boy is to cracker. So isn't it possible that cracker, going across races, is maybe to some other derogatory name for a black person but not equal to the N word? Perhaps there is a word that can be used (if you have to be deragatory) that doesn't relate back to our less then steller history of equality and slavery.

Thats all I'm saying. Just because you think its the worst thing a white person can be called doesn't automatically mean that it has the same weight as the N word. They are different groups with different histories carrying far different baggage.

There is no double standard.

 

[DougK62]

Is "negro" still not PC? I remember about 10 years ago I was at Walmart with this black friend and I yelled across a couple aisles to him "Hey negro - come check this out!". Bystanders of all color were noticeably offended.

And for me, if it's said in a deragatory manner then "great person" is the same as "cracker". However, most people won't react the same to both of them.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
More offensive the "Drunken Mick" (which is redundant)

I RESENT THAT!!!

/takes a bite of his potatoes and swig of whisky

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
No it isn't, Honkie is much worse.

Any word popularized by George Jeffferson can't really be taken seriously as an epithet...

Hell I don't take any of them serious. Being part of the most priveliged gender of the most privileged race in the most privileged country has afforded me the levity to laugh off such nonsense. Hey what the fsck do I have to complain about when the odds are so stacked in my favor? Of course there are always some sniveling whiny bitch that will complain even with those odds!

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: DanJ

Originally posted by: dartworth
-Used as a disparaging term for a poor white person of the rural, especially southeast United States.

-Used as a disparaging term for a white person.

Yea, so, we all know its a bad term. I'm simply saying that it in no way carries the same emotional and historical weight of the N word.

Your really splitting hairs. The have extreamly similar definitions, people who are telling you it offends them the same, yet YOU "weigh" the N word more...

Double Standard, plain and simple.

OK, lets go at this a different direction. Pretent I don't know english much or at all (not that I'm an english major ) and *show* me how I can understand the difference, don't *tell* me.

 

Yes there is a double standard, you can be arrested for calling a black person a N, but when a black person calls a white man a cracker how come he/she are not arrested ?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: DanJ

Originally posted by: dartworth
-Used as a disparaging term for a poor white person of the rural, especially southeast United States.

-Used as a disparaging term for a white person.

Yea, so, we all know its a bad term. I'm simply saying that it in no way carries the same emotional and historical weight of the N word.

Your really splitting hairs. The have extreamly similar definitions, people who are telling you it offends them the same, yet YOU "weigh" the N word more...

Double Standard, plain and simple.

OK, lets go at this a different direction. Pretent I don't know english much or at all (not that I'm an english major ) and *show* me how I can understand the difference, don't *tell* me.

Texmaster, is that you?

 

[Twerpzilla]

Black people call me white, so I call black people black. Its pretty simple. Those that say african-american, I ask what country in africa they were born. Since mast are americans, they look at you liek your a racist instead of a realist. So black is black, white is white and evrything is allright!

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Roger
Yes there is a double standard, you can be arrested for calling a black person a N, but when a black person calls a white man a cracker how come he/she are not arrested ?

OK, should a person be arrested for calling a fat bald person a "Chrome Domed Tub of Lard?"

 

Right on Twerp

OK, should a person be arrested for calling a fat bald person a "Chrome Domed Tub of Lard?"

That's not racist red

 

[Lonyo]

African American is worse than black, because not all black people are African American (even in America).