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DanJ

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Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Originally posted by: DanJ
Originally posted by: dartworth
-Used as a disparaging term for a poor white person of the rural, especially southeast United States.

-Used as a disparaging term for a white person.

Yea, so, we all know its a bad term. I'm simply saying that it in no way carries the same emotional and historical weight of the N word.

Your really splitting hairs. The have extreamly similar definitions, people who are telling you it offends them the same, yet YOU "weigh" the N word more...

Double Standard, plain and simple.

OK, lets go at this a different direction. Pretent I don't know english much or at all (not that I'm an english major ) and *show* me how I can understand the difference, don't *tell* me.

Now, let's understand something here, "people who are telling you it offends them the same" perhaps don't have a frame of reference of being called the N word, do they? Am I missing something there?

Yes, they have similar definitions, but the facts as to why its not a double standard:

The N word is bound in history as a word bestowed on slaves and black people by the majority of the time, white people. Slavery, as we remember, was when black people were essentially stolen from their country, families were destroyed, you worked for no money, etc..

Later, after slavery, the word stuck around and still has unfortunately. You've probably noticed that black people have embraced the word amongst themselves in an effort to kill the word essentially, kill the historical significance of it. Nevertheless though, white people have never attempted to make the word mean less then it does or remove the conotation, for white people saying it to black people its straight derogatory. In my opinion its basically a word used to talk down, to spur back this master - slavery relationship implying that I'm better because of my skin color.

Cracker on the other hand; an attempt at a retort to the N word. No baggage I can outline anywhere near as clear.

Thats the difference. Way more weight in my opinion.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Roger
Right on Twerp

OK, should a person be arrested for calling a fat bald person a "Chrome Domed Tub of Lard?"

That's not racist red
DOH!!

Actually in all honesty if some black person called me a "Cracker" it would put me on my guard as it couldn't possibly be meant as anything else but an insult. On the other hand, when some black comedian uses it in a joke or routine it doesn't offend me in the least!
 

DanJ

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Originally posted by: Roger
Yes there is a double standard, you can be arrested for calling a black person a N, but when a black person calls a white man a cracker how come he/she are not arrested ?
Arresting someone for calling someone a name is lame. Yes, we agree here. But lets face it, its not like this is standard practice nationwide so using it as example is kind of pointless. We're talking weight of the words I thought.
 

Darkstar757

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Originally posted by: DanJ
Originally posted by: Roger
Wait a year, what ticks me off is that certain black people can yell cracker all day long, as soon as someone yells the N word, the police show up and people get arrested.

Oh please, Cracker hardly carries the connotation of the N word.

come on roger crack vs the N word

COME ON

PLEASE GIVE ME A BREAK!
 

oniq

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Roger
Yes there is a double standard, you can be arrested for calling a black person a N, but when a black person calls a white man a cracker how come he/she are not arrested ?
OK, should a person be arrested for calling a fat bald person a "Chrome Domed Tub of Lard?"

People shouldn't be arrested for calling anyone anything, thats so stupid. Lets turn on any rap station and start arresting people
 

azazyel

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Originally posted by: DanJ
Originally posted by: Roger
Yes there is a double standard, you can be arrested for calling a black person a N, but when a black person calls a white man a cracker how come he/she are not arrested ?
Arresting someone for calling someone a name is lame. Yes, we agree here. But lets face it, its not like this is standard practice nationwide so using it as example is kind of pointless. We're talking weight of the words I thought.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26527
 

My first post in this thread.

Wait a year, what ticks me off is that certain black people can yell cracker all day long, as soon as someone yells the N word, the police show up and people get arrested.

This is what started the arguement.

This is a double standard
 

DanJ

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Originally posted by: azazyel
Originally posted by: DanJ
Originally posted by: Roger
Yes there is a double standard, you can be arrested for calling a black person a N, but when a black person calls a white man a cracker how come he/she are not arrested ?
Arresting someone for calling someone a name is lame. Yes, we agree here. But lets face it, its not like this is standard practice nationwide so using it as example is kind of pointless. We're talking weight of the words I thought.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26527

Yea thanks I saw the article; one big example. OMG the sky is falling!
 

DanJ

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Originally posted by: Roger
My first post in this thread.

Wait a year, what ticks me off is that certain black people can yell cracker all day long, as soon as someone yells the N word, the police show up and people get arrested.

This is what started the arguement.

This is a double standard
So are you then conceeding the fact that cracker != the N word (removing the idea of anyone getting arrested from your mind, as that was the path I took with the argument and you fought against it).
 

Phoenix86

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Both are derogatory, therefor not acceptable, right?

Is one super-duper derogatory and the other just derogatory?

History has nothing to do with it, it's the use and it's definition. Otherwise the speaker or the listerner are ADDing something to the term that didn't exist before.
 

What the hell are you talking about, go read the thread from the beginning DanJ.

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Originally posted by: Roger
Wait a year, what ticks me off is that certain black people can yell cracker all day long, as soon as someone yells the N word, the police show up and people get arrested.
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Oh please, Cracker hardly carries the connotation of the N word.

This you started, I was stating FACTS.

If yelling out the N word gets you arrested, so should yelling out cracker because it carries the same racist meaning.

I am not going to argue with you anymore, obviously your mind is set but I find this very distasteful and wrong.
Black people can be racist against whites but not the other way around ? OK.
 

BooGiMaN

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If the N word is so bad and carries such negative slavery connotation then why is it that black people call each other that and it is acceptable, its in all the rap songs and again it is acceptable yet anyone else but a black person uses it and its bad...please explain this
 

GasX

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Roger
Yes there is a double standard, you can be arrested for calling a black person a N, but when a black person calls a white man a cracker how come he/she are not arrested ?
OK, should a person be arrested for calling a fat bald person a "Chrome Domed Tub of Lard?"
You sire, are a baldist AND a fatist!
 

PlatinumGold

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the significance of the N word is WAY overblown. it's just a friggin word, the fact that the black community gives it so much weight only enslaves them more.
 

DanJ

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Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
If the N word is so bad and carries such negative slavery connotation then why is it that black people call each other that and it is acceptable, its in all the rap songs and again it is acceptable yet anyone else but a black person uses it and its bad...please explain this

Its called making the word their own to remove the significance it carries. When a white person using it against a black person it carries the significance it has historically.
 

slikmunks

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without reading the original post or any of the following posts...

no. it is like calling caucasian people white, mexican and filipino people brown, etc.
 

oniq

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Originally posted by: DanJ
Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
If the N word is so bad and carries such negative slavery connotation then why is it that black people call each other that and it is acceptable, its in all the rap songs and again it is acceptable yet anyone else but a black person uses it and its bad...please explain this

Its called making the word their own to remove the significance it carries. When a white person using it against a black person it carries the significance it has historically.

Thats so racist against whites.
 

DanJ

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Originally posted by: Roger
I am not going to argue with you anymore, obviously your mind is set but I find this very distasteful and wrong.
Black people can be racist against whites but not the other way around ? OK.

Roger; obvioiusly NO ONE should be racist againt anyone but it happens. I'm not condoning using either word obviously; I'm simply stating that one word has more power then the other. That is all.

And please, lets not say either one of us used facts. This is an opinion thread with a link to one oddball example where someone is arrested for calling someone the N word. You have no fact that both are equal, just as I have no facts otherwise besides how the N word has been created through history.

So twist my words into something else to find me distasteful and wrong; I never condoned either word nor support racism in any form. I'm simply arguing that one word is more signifcant then the other.
 

And please, lets not say either one of us used facts. This is an opinion thread with a link to one oddball example where someone is arrested for calling someone the N word. You have no fact that both are equal, just as I have no facts otherwise besides how the N word has been created through history.

Again, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ?


I have seen many people in my area arrested for yelling the N word over the years, where do you live, in a cave ?
 

DanJ

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Originally posted by: oniq
Originally posted by: DanJ
Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
If the N word is so bad and carries such negative slavery connotation then why is it that black people call each other that and it is acceptable, its in all the rap songs and again it is acceptable yet anyone else but a black person uses it and its bad...please explain this

Its called making the word their own to remove the significance it carries. When a white person using it against a black person it carries the significance it has historically.

Thats so racist against whites.

Oh please. It happens all the time. There are tons of words that when used in specifical social, gender-based, sexual-orientation, etc.. groups carry different meaning then when someone outside of that group using it against them. Internalizing words to deaden their affect has been going on forever. If you're so naive to think that this is only occuring now through the example of rap music then you need to open your eyes and get out a bit more; talk to people that aren't exactly like you.
 

oniq

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Originally posted by: DanJ
Originally posted by: oniq
Originally posted by: DanJ
Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
If the N word is so bad and carries such negative slavery connotation then why is it that black people call each other that and it is acceptable, its in all the rap songs and again it is acceptable yet anyone else but a black person uses it and its bad...please explain this

Its called making the word their own to remove the significance it carries. When a white person using it against a black person it carries the significance it has historically.

Thats so racist against whites.

Oh please. It happens all the time. There are tons of words that when used in specifical social, gender-based, sexual-orientation, etc.. groups carry different meaning then when someone outside of that group using it against them. Internalizing words to deaden their affect has been going on forever. If you're so naive to think that this is only occuring now through the example of rap music then you need to open your eyes and get out a bit more; talk to people that aren't exactly like you.

It doesn't make any sense. So, black people using N is a way to remove the significance it carries? Then a white person uses it and OF COURSE it has to deal with our historic past? Riight. Maybe white people would like to get rid of the significance it carries as well, wouldn't that make more sense. Stop living in the past.
 

DanJ

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Originally posted by: Roger
And please, lets not say either one of us used facts. This is an opinion thread with a link to one oddball example where someone is arrested for calling someone the N word. You have no fact that both are equal, just as I have no facts otherwise besides how the N word has been created through history.

Again, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ?

I have seen many people in my area arrested for yelling the N word ov er the years.
You must have missed the part where I said its lame for people to be arrested for using names. Yea they're ignorant but their's lots of ignorant people. And I've seen counterexamples where people don't get arrested (I've never seen anyone arrested for saying a word, now the repurcussions that come after saying a word might lead to an arrest but thats typically assault). You, eventually, argued that they both have the same power, I argued otherwise. Thats all.
 

DanJ

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Originally posted by: oniq
Originally posted by: DanJ
Originally posted by: oniq
Originally posted by: DanJ
Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
If the N word is so bad and carries such negative slavery connotation then why is it that black people call each other that and it is acceptable, its in all the rap songs and again it is acceptable yet anyone else but a black person uses it and its bad...please explain this
Its called making the word their own to remove the significance it carries. When a white person using it against a black person it carries the significance it has historically.
Thats so racist against whites.
Oh please. It happens all the time. There are tons of words that when used in specifical social, gender-based, sexual-orientation, etc.. groups carry different meaning then when someone outside of that group using it against them. Internalizing words to deaden their affect has been going on forever. If you're so naive to think that this is only occuring now through the example of rap music then you need to open your eyes and get out a bit more; talk to people that aren't exactly like you.
It doesn't make any sense. So, black people using N is a way to remove the significance it carries? Then a white person uses it and OF COURSE it has to deal with our historic past? Riight. Maybe white people would like to get rid of the significance it carries as well, wouldn't that make more sense. Stop living in the past.
Why else would a white person use it; to be chummy? If white people want to get rid of the significance STOP SAYING IT. Get off your high horse telling me not to live in the past when you're essentially arguing that its okay for white people to still use it because black people have internalized it. I'd like to live in the now where white people don't have any use for the word anymore.
 
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