Anything wrong with using black to describe ehtnicity?

[JupiterJones]

There shouldn't be anything wrong.

Why don't we use the correct terms for the Three Races of Man:

Caucasoid
Mongoloid
Negroid

(btw, we don't know where to fit Central African pigmies, the Bushmen and the Australoids).

 

[GasX]

I'd rather be called cracker than caucasoid...

 

[DougK62]

Caucasoid sounds badass.

 

[Gurck]

I can't think of a term other than black which wouldn't get you weird looks at the least, from younger people at any rate.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: DanJ

Originally posted by: Roger
And why not ?

Explain it to me.

Because the N word carries back to slavery; you know, white people owning black people? They were constantly referred to by the N word.

SO PLEASE; until Cracker is used on you by someone who owns you explicitly, dont' try to make it seem as if they hold the same weight. Because they don't.

Considering slavery was hardly confined to black people in America and was propogated for centuries in Africa by blacks without white interference, I'd say you're full of sh!t.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Mwilding
the correct thing would have been

Hey, boy! get your black ass over here...


I can't believe you are asking if "black" is a taboo

Yeah...even at my liberal high school, everyone says black. Who uses "African-American" anyway?

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Roger
Yes there is a double standard, you can be arrested for calling a black person a N, but when a black person calls a white man a cracker how come he/she are not arrested ?

How can you be arrested for calling someone a n!gger?

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: DanJ

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: DanJ

Originally posted by: dartworth
-Used as a disparaging term for a poor white person of the rural, especially southeast United States.

-Used as a disparaging term for a white person.

Yea, so, we all know its a bad term. I'm simply saying that it in no way carries the same emotional and historical weight of the N word.

Your really splitting hairs. The have extreamly similar definitions, people who are telling you it offends them the same, yet YOU "weigh" the N word more...

Double Standard, plain and simple.

OK, lets go at this a different direction. Pretent I don't know english much or at all (not that I'm an english major ) and *show* me how I can understand the difference, don't *tell* me.

Now, let's understand something here, "people who are telling you it offends them the same" perhaps don't have a frame of reference of being called the N word, do they? Am I missing something there?

Yes, they have similar definitions, but the facts as to why its not a double standard:

The N word is bound in history as a word bestowed on slaves and black people by the majority of the time, white people. Slavery, as we remember, was when black people were essentially stolen from their country, families were destroyed, you worked for no money, etc..

Later, after slavery, the word stuck around and still has unfortunately. You've probably noticed that black people have embraced the word amongst themselves in an effort to kill the word essentially, kill the historical significance of it. Nevertheless though, white people have never attempted to make the word mean less then it does or remove the conotation, for white people saying it to black people its straight derogatory. In my opinion its basically a word used to talk down, to spur back this master - slavery relationship implying that I'm better because of my skin color.

Cracker on the other hand; an attempt at a retort to the N word. No baggage I can outline anywhere near as clear.

Thats the difference. Way more weight in my opinion.

"One theory of its origin (or etymology) is that it came into English via French from the Spanish negro (meaning "black"), and it is therefore related to, but not derived from, the English word Negro (ultimately from Latin niger, also meaning "black"). "

Eitherway..it only holds more weight because people keep thinking of it the same way they always have. Did slaves call eachother ni**ers? why do you black people use the term today? White people don't call eachother cracker...nothing fits anymore. The word has obviously lost a lot of its original "power" if you will.

 

[halik]

cracka ass cracka!

If the kid was white in a group of black kids, im sure the teacher would say its the white kid. I dont see anything inheritly wrong with it, i mean I think of myself as while moreso than caucasian

 

How can you be arrested for calling someone a n!gger?

Try reading the entire thread before posting.

 

[Preyhunter]

Originally posted by: Ranger X
What if you're half black?

That would make you a graham cracker.

 

[DAGTA]

I'm not really white. I don't match white paper or white walls. I'm more of a pinkish-gray, or just pink-o-gray. Everyone better call me pink-o-gray now or I'll have you arrested.

I have a friend that grew up in Africa before moving to the U.S. However, her background is Indian. She's African-American but she's not black. She refers to other indians as 'brown people' all the time. I guess they should be offended by that?

Then again, black people aren't really black. More of a light brown to dark brown, depending on pigment.

None of the categories are correct and you'll never stop offending people who choose to be offended. I've been called cracker when hanging out with 'black' people and it didn't bother me. The person who said it felt ackward when he realized he'd said it to me but then let it go when he realized I didn't care.

The real problem that is underlying this thread is racism. No, I'm not talking about reverse-racism or reverse-descrimination because there is no such thing. It is the racism that has come about AGAINST non black people. It was true 50 years ago, maybe even 30 years ago, that white-males had all the advantages. Not anymore. The "PC, feel-good, self-esteem, 2+2 = 5 is not the best correct answer" 80's that switched everything around. Go to college now and apply for a scholarship. White male is the worst possible thing you can be when asking for help.

-DAGTA

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Triumph
<enter chapelle humour into serious thread>

"Listen here, n1gger! If anyone's gonna have sex with my sister, it's gonna be ME!"

</end chapelle humour>

shouldn't that be "cracker".

i thought it was the stereotype of WHITE people that they had sex with their sisters, not of black people.

no, that would be REDnecks

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Roger

How can you be arrested for calling someone a n!gger?

Try reading the entire thread before posting.

I read through the second page, I think, before seeing that comment about getting arrested. I presume it was dealt with later on?

 

[darkamulets]

they r words both have 5 letters much like sheep, or tolls white niger who cares?

 

[Dufusyte]

Charlize Theron is an african-american:

Name: Charlize Theron
Height: 5' 11"
Sex: F
Nationality: American
Birth Date: August 7, 1975
Birth Place: Benoni, South Africa

from: http://www.celebritywonder.com/html/charlizetheron.html

When she won Best Actress it was a great step forward for all african american women.

 

[Description]

I'd have described him by his clothes.

Everyone is racist, just to different degrees. Creating a thread about the word "black" is a bit funny.

 

[Xionide]

no

<--black

 

[konakona]

hmm

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Dedpuhl
What is worse:

Stop that black kid!

Stop that colored boy!

Stop that Negro!

Stop that N$$$$r!




You should've stopped the entire group and told them to tuck in their shirts.

nice

 

[Geekbabe]

I haven't heard the term"cracker" used in conversation anyplace but here in years.I wish I could say the same about the "n" word.

 

[Description]

I have seen many people in my area arrested for yelling the N word over the years, where do you live, in a cave ?

Well, if you live in such an area that "many" people actually use the word, I'm sure it is merited. Consider context.

black people are WAAYY more racist against asians than white people are.

And black people like to eat fried chicken while asian people eat rice and practice martial arts. Just an observation.

so slavery happened, its not happening now then why constantly bring it up when the situation doesnt have anything to do with it.

You keep telling yourself that, kiddo. So I can call people awesome people and crackers, because it was so many years ago and doesn't matter anymore? How about I paint a large swastika on my house? I'm not hurting anyone.
You can forget what happened all you want, but you are alone.

I'm being told that words such as "cracker" and "beloved patriot" are offensive, but they really don't mean anything to me. It isn't an insult.

 

[virtueixi]

What kind of retarded jury would convict someone over using that word? Such BS.

 

[konakona]

I am neither african-american nor caucasian so no favortism toward either side. Just trying to look at the situation in terms of logic without racial concerns.

Are you telling me nabbing a loaf of bread and kidnapping kids and torturing them to death is equal in the sense they are both classfied as crimes and there is no use comparing which carries more weight? Yeah, both deeds deserved to be condemned but are they equal? just because the guy next door takes liberty in jaywalking do you expect to get away with a serial murder?

To me it seems the guy is right on the mark, and he clearly stated he was against use of the n word anyway.

Perhaps people of younger generation (including me) grew up in a relatively racism-free (or restricted outward display of therof per se) cuture we are not fully aware of the significance and impact history has on today's socioeconoic status and whatnot. Of course there is no reason you should feel sorry for the past you have not been a part of; it is a whole different story when you are talking about ethnic groups in general tho...

lets say your grandpa killed mine resulting in poverty inherited to his decendants, inlcuding me.
would you be obliged to feel responsible for my misfortune? NO
should your family as the whole feel a slightest bit of guilt for what they have done? I THINK SO

I know I am gonna get flamed for this, just had to say this :
when you people say it was Africans who started the slavery so whites are not a bit responsible, it would be like some german claiming "Hitler and genocide aint really that bad... the jews been treated like sh!t and massacred time and again for centuries..."

what really is blown out of proportion is that arrestment deal and YES I READ THE LINKED ARTICLE. Roger, do you really see people getting arrested everyday for calling names? scary place that is... (i dont live in a cave)

With that said, the point PlatinumGold brought up kinda bothers me too.. if you will i would like to hear your take on this DanJ.

as an asian, i must say at some point in this discussion.

black people are WAAYY more racist against asians than white people are. and yet, you ask a black person if mimicing the way asians speak or doing various things that many black people do to mock asians is racist and they will say NO.

no one is more hypocritical regarding this whole racist issue as a race than the black people.


just the other day, i was calling my kids and some black kid on the corner was mimicing sounds. i stared him off and he slunk away sheepishly, but what makes him think it is acceptable to do in the first place??

I feel sincere respect for the Afro-American race to endure all that suffering, but venting out the frustration and anguish on another race is not gonna get us anywhere...

Treat Others How You Would Like to be Treated.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: notfred
I prefer "negro" or "person of color".

God, that's wordy. Black is a simple one-syllable word.

Black
White
Yellow

are so very useful in generalizing.