AoC Gets a $312 Haircut and Attempts to defend her socialism loving self indulging in elite capitalism

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Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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Repeal your regressive state local and sales taxes and you'll have your wish. That's the cause of the problem you're complaining about.
One dimensional solutions gets one dimensional results.
You know you could choose to not.
 

sao123

Lifer
May 27, 2002
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That's not 'interesting', that's 'a great data point'.

Unless 1940-1950 is your dream land...its also a useless data point.
If the goal is to bring household income back to that levels, then we might as well go back to the barter system in the dark ages.

Back then the population was <130 Million.
A new house cost $6500. New Cars cost $800, gas was $0.18, the salary of a doctor/lawyer was $7-10K annually.

The reason why people were so successful in that time period, is labor was scarce... every able body was fighting in WW2.

If you want to eliminate 40 million people and then close off immigration to bring that back, i'm all for it, but good luck selling that to your friends who think that the best way to win elections is to import a new voting base.
 
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glenn1

Lifer
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The richest 400 earners in the US are taxed at a lower rate than the middle class now, thanks to Trump's tax cuts. Too bad the deficit also exploded, meanwhile the economic "rocket fuel" seems to be just sugar in the tank.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/americ...s-pay-a-lower-tax-rate-than-the-middle-class/

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Your blue state Democratic legislator almost exclusively control the amount the 50% pay. No amount of you putting misleading graphics up will change that. If you want the poors to pay less then you need to reduce your regressive SALT.

 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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Unless 1940-1950 is your dream land...its also a useless data point.
If the goal is to bring household income back to that levels, then we might as well go back to the barter system in the dark ages.

Back then the population was <130 Million.
A new house cost $6500. New Cars cost $800, gas was $0.18, the salary of a doctor/lawyer was $7-10K annually.

The reason why people were so successful in that time period, is labor was scarce... every able body was fighting in WW2.

If you want to eliminate 40 million people and then close off immigration to bring that back, i'm all for it, but good luck selling that to your friends who think that the best way to win elections is to import a new voting base.
Nobody is advocating for the household income to be what it was in the 40s-50s?
I think what they're advocating is that we were all better off when the wealth gap was much smaller... you know, it almost seems to make some kind of sense for a consumer driven society.
 
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Nobody is advocating for the household income to be what it was in the 40s-50s?
I think what they're advocating is that we were all better off when the wealth gap was much smaller... you know, it almost seems to make some kind of sense for a consumer driven society.

"things were better back then".... Ahhh, the old bullshit narrative.

What... exactly... was better "back then" ?

Access to Internet? Nope
Access to phones / smartphones? Nope
Access to vehicles/cars? Nope...
Crime rate was lower? Nope...


What was "better" back then? The answer is nothing.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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"things were better back then".... Ahhh, the old bullshit narrative.

What... exactly... was better "back then" ?

Access to Internet? Nope
Access to phones / smartphones? Nope
Access to vehicles/cars? Nope...
Crime rate was lower? Nope...


What was "better" back then? The answer is nothing.

you are bringing technological advancements into a discussion about income inequality back then and now. Completely irrelevant. Insert quarter and try again.
 
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you are bringing technological advancements into a discussion about income inequality back then and now. Completely irrelevant. Insert quarter and try again.

Because money is something that is constant. It never adds or drops in value - and likewise, products never adds or drops in value.... They just always stay constant, right? Thus why we can judge everything based on the past for everything.

Again though, you're just proving the point. What did citizens have "way back when" that they no longer have now?
 
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Income inequality was lower.

WHAT. DID. THEY. HAVE ?

Again, proving the fucking point derp derp.

If someone has more money than you - who cares? How does that make or break you? Just because someone gets more money than you doesn't mean you don't have something. It's not that you got a smaller slice of pie, it's that the pie simply got bigger.

Stop comparing your stack size to other people's stack size. That's called jealousy.
 

mect

Platinum Member
Jan 5, 2004
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WHAT. DID. THEY. HAVE ?

Again, proving the fucking point derp derp.

If someone has more money than you - who cares? How does that make or break you? Just because someone gets more money than you doesn't mean you don't have something. It's not that you got a smaller slice of pie, it's that the pie simply got bigger.

Stop comparing your stack size to other people's stack size. That's called jealousy.
Because when there is significant income inequality, it starts to squeeze on the necessities. When someone can't afford housing, it doesn't matter if they have an iphone. And despite republican talking points, getting rid of the iphone isn't going to do shit towards them affording housing.

Additionally, when all the wealth begins to be concentrated at the top, it also concentrates the power. It creates a situation like we have today where the wealthy begin to control the government, drafting legislation which decreases economic mobility and protects their wealth from competition.

Finally, yes, humans in general have come to expect their lives to improve as time goes on. For the first time ever in modern history, we have a situation where the next generation is predicted to be less well off than their parents, simultaneous with productivity being at an all time high. This doesn't make for a peaceful populace.
 
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nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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Because money is something that is constant. It never adds or drops in value - and likewise, products never adds or drops in value.... They just always stay constant, right? Thus why we can judge everything based on the past for everything.

Again though, you're just proving the point. What did citizens have "way back when" that they no longer have now?
Pensions.
 

Paratus

Lifer
Jun 4, 2004
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WHAT. DID. THEY. HAVE ?

Again, proving the fucking point derp derp.

If someone has more money than you - who cares? How does that make or break you? Just because someone gets more money than you doesn't mean you don't have something. It's not that you got a smaller slice of pie, it's that the pie simply got bigger.

Stop comparing your stack size to other people's stack size. That's called jealousy.

I’ll take increasing wages for $500 Alex

 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Your blue state Democratic legislator almost exclusively control the amount the 50% pay. No amount of you putting misleading graphics up will change that. If you want the poors to pay less then you need to reduce your regressive SALT.


The truly wealthy hide in the top 1%, obviously. It's not about the poors paying less, anyway, but about the wealthy paying more.
 
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The truly wealthy hide in the top 1%, obviously. It's not about the poors paying less, anyway, but about the wealthy paying more.

Of course. It's always THEY need to pay more. Never WE need to pay more, or I MYSELF need to pay more.

Oh how partisanly typical.
 

Maxima1

Diamond Member
Jan 15, 2013
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WHAT. DID. THEY. HAVE ?

Again, proving the fucking point derp derp.

If someone has more money than you - who cares? How does that make or break you? Just because someone gets more money than you doesn't mean you don't have something. It's not that you got a smaller slice of pie, it's that the pie simply got bigger.

Stop comparing your stack size to other people's stack size. That's called jealousy.

How do you not get it? If income inequality was lower then, what would happen now? The answer: More of the productivity gains over the decades would go to the bottom half of workers, so working shit jobs wouldn't be as shitty as they are now.
 

Paratus

Lifer
Jun 4, 2004
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Now someone who’s financially savvy explain to me the following.

1) would it be good for shareholders and corporation owners if we could drive productivity higher while simultaneously reducing hourly wages?

2) where does the market get its money from to buy goods and services when talking about basic economic theory?
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Of course. It's always THEY need to pay more. Never WE need to pay more, or I MYSELF need to pay more.

Oh how partisanly typical.

Oh, please. I'll pay more when those who take in enormously more also pay more. That's not a difficult thing to grasp. There was a time, long ago, when many top earners were actually patriotic enough to willingly pay big taxes on big money to make America a better place for us all.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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Of course. It's always THEY need to pay more. Never WE need to pay more, or I MYSELF need to pay more.
I vote my self interests. It's in my self interest to see government tax the holy hell out of the ultra-rich. You would likely see that it is in your self-interest as well if you would but remove your ideological blinders.
 
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mect

Platinum Member
Jan 5, 2004
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Of course. It's always THEY need to pay more. Never WE need to pay more, or I MYSELF need to pay more.

Oh how partisanly typical.
If they have it so bad I'm sure there are many willing to trade them places and pay the higher taxes.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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Man there is a lot of ignorance in this thread. I especially liked that money has a constant value. Someone better tell the feds!
 
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