AP:Trump weighs mobilizing Nat Guard for immigration roundups

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A draft memo obtained by The Associated Press outlines a Trump administration proposal under consideration to mobilize as many as 100,000 National Guard troops to round up unauthorized immigrants. Millions of those who would be affected in 11 states live nowhere near the Mexico border.

The 11-page document calls for the unprecedented militarization of immigration enforcement as far north as Portland, Oregon, and as far east as New Orleans, Louisiana. If the proposal is implemented, governors in the affected states would have final approval on whether troops under their control participate.

https://apnews.com/5508111d59554a33...n=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP

This should go over well.

WH is denying the report, for what that's worth.

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The Trump administration is considering a proposal to mobilize as many as 100,000 National Guard troops to round up unauthorized immigrants, including millions living nowhere near the Mexico border, according to a draft memo obtained by The Associated Press.

The 11-page document calls for the unprecedented militarization of immigration enforcement as far north as Portland, Oregon, and as far east as New Orleans, Louisiana.

Four states that border on Mexico are included in the proposal — California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas — but it also encompasses seven states contiguous to those four — Oregon, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisiana.


Governors in the 11 states would have a choice whether to have their guard troops participate, according to the memo, written by U.S. Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly, a retired four-star Marine general.

While National Guard personnel have been used to assist with immigration-related missions on the U.S.-Mexico border before, they have never been used as broadly or as far north.

The memo is addressed to the then-acting heads of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and U.S. Customs and Border Protection. It would serve as guidance to implement the wide-ranging executive order on immigration and border security that President Donald Trump signed Jan. 25. Such memos are routinely issued to supplement executive orders.

Also dated Jan. 25, the draft memo says participating troops would be authorized "to perform the functions of an immigration officer in relation to the investigation, apprehension and detention of aliens in the United States." It describes how the troops would be activated under a revived state-federal partnership program, and states that personnel would be authorized to conduct searches and identify and arrest any unauthorized immigrants.

Requests to the White House and the Department of Homeland Security for comment and a status report on the proposal were not answered.

The draft document has circulated among DHS staff over the last two weeks. As recently as Friday, staffers in several different offices reported discussions were underway

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/5508...ghs-mobilizing-nat-guard-immigration-roundups

Just to note Trump's whining that the press never calls to get comments on stories but the WH and DHS declined to comment before AP ran this only to come out with denials after the fact.
 
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The Act only specifically applies to the United States Army and, as amended in 1956, the United States Air Force. While the Act does not explicitly mention the United States Navy and the United States Marine Corps, the Department of the Navy has prescribed regulations that are generally construed to give the Act force with respect to those services as well. The Act does not apply to the Army National Guard and the Air National Guard under state authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within its home state or in an adjacent state if invited by that state's governor. The United States Coast Guard, which operates under the Department of Homeland Security, is not covered by the Posse Comitatus Act either, primarily because although the Coast Guard is an armed service, it also has both a maritime law enforcement mission and a federal regulatory agency mission.
 
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I think the idea is to dodge Posse Comitatus by leaving the guard under state authority and making participation optional.

Yeah there's a lot of wiggle room here. I could see TX opting for it and it would be completely legal.
 

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Yeah there's a lot of wiggle room here. I could see TX opting for it and it would be completely legal.

True, however I have to think there would be a some PR and economic downsides to essentially changing to the state motto to "Papers, please".
 

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True, however I have to think there would be a some PR and economic downsides to essentially changing to the state motto to "Papers, please".

Not long ago I'd say this is a no go and it still may be, but these days who knows?
 
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The white house is denying this and it could very well be more fake news from the usual fake news media, but I'd be all in favor of it. Mobilize 20,000 national guard troops if needed, get the problem under control. Secure the border and start kicking out illegals.
 

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The white house is denying this and it could very well be more fake news from the usual fake news media, but I'd be all in favor of it. Mobilize 20,000 national guard troops if needed, get the problem under control. Secure the border and start kicking out illegals.

You do know the AP reached out multiple times to the White House and didn't get comment, only for Spicer to falsely claim that he wished the AP would reach out... right? The fake news here is only coming from the White House.

And yeah, we figured you'd be jerking off to the thought of fewer brown people in the US.
 

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The white house is denying this and it could very well be more fake news from the usual fake news media, but I'd be all in favor of it. Mobilize 20,000 national guard troops if needed, get the problem under control. Secure the border and start kicking out illegals.

Trump can eat it on his "fake news" claims if they couldn't be bothered about giving the AP a statement of denial prior to release. He spent quite a while complaining yesterday that they never call him before running stories. Can't have it both ways.
 

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The white house is denying this and it could very well be more fake news from the usual fake news media, but I'd be all in favor of it. Mobilize 20,000 national guard troops if needed, get the problem under control. Secure the border and start kicking out illegals.

Glad to see you're buying into the 'all negative news is fake' lie. Trump appreciates useful idiots like you.

 
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You do know the AP reached out multiple times to the White House and didn't get comment, only for Spicer to falsely claim that he wished the AP would reach out... right? The fake news here is only coming from the White House.

And yeah, we figured you'd be jerking off to the thought of fewer brown people in the US.

Here's a possibility. Trump's administration is working on multiple scenarios with no present goal of implementation and we should expect that regarding any policy and administration. The mistake would be from going from possibilites to assuming this is going to be implimented. The story may be correct on one level and the assumption of some that this will materialize be fabrication.
 

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Here's a possibility. Trump's administration is working on multiple scenarios with no present goal of implementation and we should expect that regarding any policy and administration. The mistake would be from going from possibilites to assuming this is going to be implimented. The story may be correct on one level and the assumption of some that this will materialize be fabrication.

The story did not say it was going to be implemented, just that they were considering it, which is entirely accurate. By all available evidence it is 0% fabrication. Regardless, one thing is for sure, you don't create and circulate 11 page draft memos to law enforcement agencies for things you are just spitballing. The good news at least is that California will ignore this order, although I fear for the immigrants in Texas. If they do try and implement this you're going to see some ugly, ugly stuff.
 

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The story did not say it was going to be implemented, just that they were considering it, which is entirely accurate. By all available evidence it is 0% fabrication. Regardless, one thing is for sure, you don't create and circulate 11 page draft memos to law enforcement agencies for things you are just spitballing. The good news at least is that California will ignore this order, although I fear for the immigrants in Texas. If they do try and implement this you're going to see some ugly, ugly stuff.

I've no doubt that this is a real option considered. What I am saying that any speculation beyond potential use would be irresponsible. I'm hardly playing apologist for Spicer.
 
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The good news at least is that California will ignore this order, although I fear for the immigrants in Texas. If they do try and implement this you're going to see some ugly, ugly stuff.

Ugly ugly stuff like..... gasp... an actual border where we know who's coming into our country? Where we can decide who should or should not enter? Yeah, that's really ugly. lol

Hey, if California wants to take on all the illegals, at least that leaves other states in better shape. At least then it allows the states that want to do something about the problem in their states to take action while other states that want to screw things up further to take on all the illegals.... as opposed to actively preventing states like Arizona with the biggest problems from doing anything about them.
 

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True, however I have to think there would be a some PR and economic downsides to essentially changing to the state motto to "Papers, please".
Do you have "papers" on you at all times in the US?
I rarely have any ID on me when I'm pootling about here. I carry my wallet about 50% of the time and that has some bank cards in, does that count?
 
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Trump would have to use the National Guard in states, and even then I thought on a Federal Level that would even be illegal. He cannot just randomly roll troops out in the US on a whim.

He probably thinks he can just order Camp Pendleton to attack San Diego, in his misguided world.

Has no business being the CIC to begin with.
 

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Permanent resident (green) card holders that are over 18 are required to carry them at all times when in public.

Most states I'm aware of require anyone operating a motor vehicle to have their driver's licence on them.
 

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Do you have "papers" on you at all times in the US?
I rarely have any ID on me when I'm pootling about here. I carry my wallet about 50% of the time and that has some bank cards in, does that count?

I carry my driver's license all the time mainly because I travel a lot. Really don't have much daily need for it though.
 

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Permanent resident (green) card holders that are over 18 are required to carry them at all times when in public.

Most states I'm aware of require anyone operating a motor vehicle to have their driver's licence on them.

Operating a vehicle wasn't mentioned, but you would need a license to walk into a bar and buy a drink at any rate if you are not older.

Just taking a walk up the street some areas might even hassle you if you do not have ID these days.
 

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Glad to see you're buying into the 'all negative news is fake' lie. Trump appreciates useful idiots like you.

All negative news is fake? What are you talking about, this isn't even negative news. This would be a good thing.

I specifically it "could be" fake news, I didn't say it was. I'm just aware that you can't trust half the stuff most of the lefty media says because it's likely fake. Nothing more, nothing less.
 

PokerGuy

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And yeah, we figured you'd be jerking off to the thought of fewer brown people in the US.

Oh yeah, because wanting an actual border so we can control who comes into the country is just racism. Typical lefty drivel. When you don't have a logical argument, just resort to "das raaaciiiiiiiis!".

Here legally? No problem. Here illegally? Escort them out and keep them out.
 

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Operating a vehicle wasn't mentioned, but you would need a license to walk into a bar and buy a drink at any rate if you are not older.

Just taking a walk up the street some areas might even hassle you if you do not have ID these days.
I know it wasn't mentioned, I carry my ID at all times. In some cases I carry 2 IDs, DL and CHL or TWIC.
 
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