AP:Trump weighs mobilizing Nat Guard for immigration roundups

[norseamd]

The Act only specifically applies to the United States Army and, as amended in 1956, the United States Air Force. While the Act does not explicitly mention the United States Navy and the United States Marine Corps, the Department of the Navy has prescribed regulations that are generally construed to give the Act force with respect to those services as well. The Act does not apply to the Army National Guard and the Air National Guard under state authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within its home state or in an adjacent state if invited by that state's governor. The United States Coast Guard, which operates under the Department of Homeland Security, is not covered by the Posse Comitatus Act either, primarily because although the Coast Guard is an armed service, it also has both a maritime law enforcement mission and a federal regulatory agency mission.

It applies to any National Guard that have been nationalized. Which automatically happens if they are mobilized by the president. If they are mobilized by their respective governors, then they are not nationalized. The president has authority over the governors when it comes to the National Guard, so even if the governors call up their guard on their own, the president can later nationalize the National Guard. However that does not mean that laws have authority over the US Constitution, nor does it mean that laws should never be broken or ignored if it means doing the right thing.

 

[WelshBloke]

In some states everyone has to show ID to purchase alcohol. I had to show my ID when I bought champagne for New Years and my white beard surely should be a give away that I'm over 21.

Jeez, that seems like a bit of a pain!
My local pub doesn't even ask me for payment never mind ID when I'm on my bike!

 

[fskimospy]

Don't worry guys, Pence said at the VP debate that a 'deportation force' was nonsense. I'm sure he wasn't lying about that.

 

[hal2kilo]

In some states everyone has to show ID to purchase alcohol. I had to show my ID when I bought champagne for New Years and my white beard surely should be a give away that I'm over 21.

Probably depends on the bar, if they've had issues with ID, how recent was the place visited by their liquor control inspectors. I think technically, due to federal government blackmail of withholding funds, the federal standard is that everyone is supposed to have their ID's checked regardless. It's stupid and silly if you are a long standing member of the old farts club. Can't remember what brown hair looks like on me anymore.

 

[Spungo]

Do you have "papers" on you at all times in the US?

Yes. The only people who don't have ID at least 90% of the time are criminals. People who drive are required to have ID, and most Americans drive. I take the bus to work, and I always have my wallet with me.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Probably depends on the bar, if they've had issues with ID, how recent was the place visited by their liquor control inspectors. I think technically, due to federal government blackmail of withholding funds, the federal standard is that everyone is supposed to have their ID's checked regardless. It's stupid and silly if you are a long standing member of the old farts club. Can't remember what brown hair looks like on me anymore.

This is when I made a purchase at Kroger

 

[MongGrel]

Probably depends on the bar, if they've had issues with ID, how recent was the place visited by their liquor control inspectors. I think technically, due to federal government blackmail of withholding funds, the federal standard is that everyone is supposed to have their ID's checked regardless. It's stupid and silly if you are a long standing member of the old farts club. Can't remember what brown hair looks like on me anymore.

YMMV, I remember going into a Redneck bar when I was 16 and doing Wild Turkey shots and drinking beer in my youth, in a bar off the path

The older guys were always got a kick out of us, we all had fun.

Wasn't exactly a pick up the babes spot, the back room with the pool table had a dirt floor, heh.

I moved up into playing drums in a part time strip bar with a band a few years later.

Was even odder one of the strippers was a friend of the family that was hotter than hell and seeing here at a few fuctions eating at the dinner table when she was dressed properly. Her mom and dad did not even know about that one.

She moved out of the area and married a Importer who had big bucks a few years later, like a lot of the Midwestern Scandavian types typically did.



Sorry was rambling a bit.

 

[OutHouse]

In some states everyone has to show ID to purchase alcohol. I had to show my ID when I bought champagne for New Years and my white beard surely should be a give away that I'm over 21.

i got carded last night for a beer at a local brewery. and im close to getting AARP spam in the mail....

 

[norseamd]

Yes. The only people who don't have ID at least 90% of the time are criminals. People who drive are required to have ID, and most Americans drive. I take the bus to work, and I always have my wallet with me.

You couldnt be more of a soulless apathetic tribalistic douchebag. GTFO of here! As if many people dont walk around without ID, and not as if the fact that a large majority of minorities dont even have any ID isnt something thats not well known to America by now.

 

[OutHouse]

Do you have "papers" on you at all times in the US?

my reply to my wife when she ask "i dont need my purse do I" is no but you need your ID. its just a good practice to have.

 

[OutHouse]

You couldnt be more of a soulless apathetic tribalistic douchebag. GTFO of here! As if many people dont walk around without ID, and not as if the fact that a large majority of minorities dont even have any ID isnt something thats not well known to America by now.

you mean the illegals. gotcha.

 

[WelshBloke]

Yes. The only people who don't have ID at least 90% of the time are criminals. People who drive are required to have ID, and most Americans drive. I take the bus to work, and I always have my wallet with me.

Is ID a specific thing or anything that meets certain criteria? (Does it have to be an "official" ID or can it be, say, an entry pass for work?)
We don't need to carry a drivers license, if you get stopped by the police you have 7 days to turn up at the cop shop and show it.

YMMV, I remember going into a Redneck bar when I was 16 and doing Wild Turkey shots and drinking beer in my youth, in a bar off the path

There was a pub near me that everyone from school went to from 16 up. There was probably a hundred or so kids there most Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights!

 

[MongGrel]

There was a pub near me that everyone from school went to from 16 up. There was probably a hundred or so kids there most Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights!

The US was never really typically along those lines though, lots of bars would get their licenses pulled and be out of business if they did that, even decades ago.

You had to know where to go

That and roving keg parties in the youth. Was a cool kids thing.

 

[Commodus]

Oh yeah, because wanting an actual border so we can control who comes into the country is just racism. Typical lefty drivel. When you don't have a logical argument, just resort to "das raaaciiiiiiiis!".

Here legally? No problem. Here illegally? Escort them out and keep them out.

Even if there's no element of racism, the notion that you'll fix the nation's ills by kicking out illegal immigrants (especially with a rushed, military-enforced approach) is naive. Do you really think the jobs people want are going to come flooding back the moment there are fewer Mexicans around?

 

[PokerGuy]

You couldnt be more of a soulless apathetic tribalistic douchebag. GTFO of here! As if many people dont walk around without ID, and not as if the fact that a large majority of minorities dont even have any ID isnt something thats not well known to America by now.

Interesting. I'd love to see you back up that lie with a link to some facts. Everything I've seen points to the actual percentage of voting age citizens to be at about 10%. Now I'll grant that minority groups might be more likely to not have ID, but in what world does 10% equal "a large majority"?? With "facts" like that, do you work for CNN or something?

 

[PokerGuy]

Even if there's no element of racism, the notion that you'll fix the nation's ills by kicking out illegal immigrants (especially with a rushed, military-enforced approach) is naive. Do you really think the jobs people want are going to come flooding back the moment there are fewer Mexicans around?

You won't fix all the nation's ills of course, but a nation without control of it's own border is no nation. We can always debate exactly how many immigrants should be allowed in to benefit the US (ie, legal immigration), but with no effective border all immigration policy is essentially a moot point because we don't control the border and we don't get rid of those who come in illegally.

Also, in influx of low skill, low education workers most certainly depresses wages, especially for people who are closer to the lower end of the scale. It's always funny to see the same idiots who are out advocating for higher minimum wages advocating for more illegal immigration: too stupid to understand that wages are driven by supply and demand. More supply of unskilled uneducated workers means lower wages for those on the lower end of the wage scale.

 

[fskimospy]

You won't fix all the nation's ills of course, but a nation without control of it's own border is no nation. We can always debate exactly how many immigrants should be allowed in to benefit the US (ie, legal immigration), but with no effective border all immigration policy is essentially a moot point because we don't control the border and we don't get rid of those who come in illegally.

Also, in influx of low skill, low education workers most certainly depresses wages, especially for people who are closer to the lower end of the scale. It's always funny to see the same idiots who are out advocating for higher minimum wages advocating for more illegal immigration: too stupid to understand that wages are driven by supply and demand. More supply of unskilled uneducated workers means lower wages for those on the lower end of the wage scale.

'Most certainly', huh? That's odd, as the economics literature on the effects of immigration on wages is mixed at best, with plenty of papers finding either little to no effect on wages for low skilled workers or sometimes even a positive one. For example:

http://davidcard.berkeley.edu/papers/new-immig.pdf

The estimates suggest there is no relationship between the relative supply of high school dropouts and their relative wages, but point to a small negative impact of relative supply on relative employment. These findings are quite similar to the results in Card (2001) using data for 1990 and occupation-based skill groupings. As in most of the previous work looking at local labor market impacts of immigration, there is a surprisingly weak relationship between immigration and less-skilled native wages (see Friedberg and Hunt, 1995 and Borjas, 1994). For example, using the model outlined in footnote 14, the residual in the relative wage equation is u1 = (F!1)/(F+,) log (ed /eH ) ! (N d!N H )/(F+,). This pattern has persisted despite steady inflows of relatively unskilled immigrants that have created ever greater differences across cities in the relative supply of dropouts over the past two decades.

http://www.dagliano.unimi.it/media/12-Ottaviano-Peri-2008.pdf

Using our estimates and Census data we find that immigration (1990-2006) had small negative effects in the short run on native workers with no high school degree (-0.7%) and on average wages (-0.4%) while it had small positive effects on native workers with no high school degree (+0.3%) and on average native wages (+0.6%) in the long run

It's always funny to see someone make a statement of certainty about a topic they clearly have spent no time understanding, have that statement be wrong, and then call other people stupid about the topic.

Thanks for the laugh, Pokerguy! I predict you will refuse to admit you were wrong, as usual.

 

[MongGrel]

Interesting. I'd love to see you back up that lie with a link to some facts. Everything I've seen points to the actual percentage of voting age citizens to be at about 10%. Now I'll grant that minority groups might be more likely to not have ID, but in what world does 10% equal "a large majority"?? With "facts" like that, do you work for CNN or something?

You just troll and thread crap trying to get someone banned raging about your posts, apparently.

 

[Commodus]

You won't fix all the nation's ills of course, but a nation without control of it's own border is no nation. We can always debate exactly how many immigrants should be allowed in to benefit the US (ie, legal immigration), but with no effective border all immigration policy is essentially a moot point because we don't control the border and we don't get rid of those who come in illegally.

Also, in influx of low skill, low education workers most certainly depresses wages, especially for people who are closer to the lower end of the scale. It's always funny to see the same idiots who are out advocating for higher minimum wages advocating for more illegal immigration: too stupid to understand that wages are driven by supply and demand. More supply of unskilled uneducated workers means lower wages for those on the lower end of the wage scale.

I'm not arguing for more illegal immigration -- please don't argue against a straw man.

What I'm saying is that the fixation on immigration, and the notion that all illegal immigrants have to be out now now now, is flawed. Yes, there should be better enforcement of border controls and illegal immigration in the first place. But is building an extremely expensive (and possibly ineffective) wall going to help? Is deporting a legion of people all at once wise versus a gradual program or (gasp) giving some of them a path to legal status where they have to be paid more?

Also, remember: illegal immigrants frequently take the jobs that legal residents don't want. Congratulations, you just opened up a bunch of avenues for gardeners, crop pickers and hotel housekeepers. This has no effect on the wages of many Americans.

And it's funny that you talk about improving wages when you voted for the candidate least likely to increase the minimum wage or otherwise improve working conditions (in fact, given the deregulation fetish, it's more likely to get worse). So you may stop companies from underpaying people with entry-level jobs, but the quality of life for legal residents is unlikely to get better.

 

[Moonbeam]

https://apnews.com/5508111d59554a33...n=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP

This should go over well.

Good news indeed. So far no mention of ovens.

 

[Grooveriding]

Looks as if it was real and was being considered, and Pence lied about it ?

Another leak, like the one about the reprehensible EO to curtail the rights of gay people, to get out ahead of them before they did something stupid ?

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/po...enforcement/ZJMsy6rMQLBanjkMgim8ZP/story.html

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3467570/National-Guard-Draft-memo-on-immigration.pdf

 

[Meghan54]

Yes. The only people who don't have ID at least 90% of the time are criminals. People who drive are required to have ID, and most Americans drive. I take the bus to work, and I always have my wallet with me.

OMG!!! I'm a criminal because I go around without my ID on me at all times. The horror!

 

[hal2kilo]

This is when I made a purchase at Kroger

Really. Oh well.

 

[momeNt]

The media is doing a really great job at this. I like that they are protecting us from an administration that ostensibly is trying to overstep its bounds.

My only sorrow is where were they when our other constitutional and American rights were being bulldozed. The feeling is definitely bittersweet for me.

 

[Homerboy]

OMG!!! I'm a criminal because I go around without my ID on me at all times. The horror!

90% chance of being a criminal.