AP:Trump weighs mobilizing Nat Guard for immigration roundups

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Spungo

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Why not target business owners who hire illegals?
There are certain limits to this. You don't want to create an environment where employers are terrified to hire anyone. Some kid offers to sweep the store for $10, you say yes, you pay him $10, he turns out to be illegal, and now the feds are shutting down your store.

There's a certain grey area that we don't want to destroy. When I was 12 or 13, I helped paint a friend's business. I was paid $100 cash. It's already illegal to do this, but the punishment is mild enough to allow some things to happen. Kids can make some money under the table without threatening the future of a business. This is the law employers currently deal with. They hire some illegal guys, pay them cash, and that's it. They work in a way similar to independent contractors. If you try to come down hard on businesses that hire people without paperwork, it's going to have a lot of very negative side effects. Sweeping a floor for $10 is never going to happen. Helping a friend paint his store is never going to happen.

We give Trump a lot of shit for creating fear and regime uncertainty, and coming down on business would make this a lot worse. People need to be checked at other times. A lot of criminals are captured when pulled over for traffic stops, and that could apply to illegal immigrants too. If people are working under the table and they never get pulled over or break any laws or need to present ID, I can't really say shit about them. If they're not bothering anyone, why rush to kick them out?
 

mect

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I have no issue with trying to solve the problem of illegal immigration. I have a problem with solutions that are worse than the problem. I agree, we should be a nation of laws, and we should find rational ways to ensure those laws are enforced. Should we rip families apart to solve our immigration problem? Hell no. Should we build a wall along our southern border, antagonizing our southern neighbor the entire time while wasting a metric shit ton of money? Hell no. Should we streamline the process of applying for legal immigration. Absolutely. Should we go after those that illegally hire illegal immigrants (like our current commander in chief)? Yep. Should we use drones to help patrol our borders? Sounds reasonable. Should we end the worthless war on drugs? You bet. Should we deport violent criminals that are here illegally? Sure thing. Do people see the difference? There are ways to work towards improving illegal immigration while also having a little compassion for our fellow men. But I guess this christian nation we live in doesn't give a shit about compassion.
 

raildogg

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The white house is denying this and it could very well be more fake news from the usual fake news media, but I'd be all in favor of it. Mobilize 20,000 national guard troops if needed, get the problem under control. Secure the border and start kicking out illegals.
Very Christian values you got there.

I mean, Trump is a "Christian" right?
 

Commodus

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The white house is denying this and it could very well be more fake news from the usual fake news media, but I'd be all in favor of it. Mobilize 20,000 national guard troops if needed, get the problem under control. Secure the border and start kicking out illegals.

Just going to close the loop on this one by noting that the AP revealed the entire draft memo.

You might want to rethink your position, because it's clear the Trump camp is the only group lying here.
 
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