APC 500VA UPS for $19

lizardboy

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Stolen from ChubbyWallet
sku: 119-295
Price is $49 - $20 MIR - $10 coupon (can't post coupon here) = $19 + tax on $49
To avoid the shipping charge choose the option to pick it up in-store.


http://www.officedepot.com
 

abc

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i've seen this on sale before.... how much electricity does it eat up itself?
 

TTM77

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I used to have the 350 by them. It looks the same. I tried out on my PC. Even without anything plug into it. I hock up the USB monitor into my PC and let it run without electricity. Everytime it beeps, the power drop like by 15%. So the beep alone eats 15% of the power. Now imagine U have something plug. Anyway, I give it to my sister for her to power her lap or something. But it is not good for my PC.

500VA would hold more power. So in my opinion, it is ok. Not the best but ok for the price.
 

Chebago

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I bought it last night and just went to pick it up and the manager gave me this big lecture about stealing a coupon and dishonesty and said he wouldn't honor it. I told him that I could just have it delivered to my house and use the coupon and then he gave me another lecture about my personal values and honesty. What a joke, so I'm going to order it and have it delivered.
 

gibster

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Can these UPS units hook up to the network for getting unit data, or do they connect only by USB? The data plug is RJ45, I guess they "convert" it to USB, judging from the skimpy documentation available. It would rock if they were network-able. USB is cheesy.
 

jTek

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I bought it last night and just went to pick it up and the manager gave me this big lecture about stealing a coupon and dishonesty and said he wouldn't honor it. I told him that I could just have it delivered to my house and use the coupon and then he gave me another lecture about my personal values and honesty. What a joke, so I'm going to order it and have it delivered.
I have never tried the B&M with a "stolen" coupon, but the have given me the what for when I have an actual coupon emailed to me by OD!! Once, I brought in the email and a copy of the order, and the manager and several clerks started looking at the email very closely. I asked what was the problem, and they said they had to study it as some were fake. They then stated that that $20 deducted from my order was actually the rebate on the item (what a bunch of dumb a$$es).

That was the last time I purchased anything at the OD B&M. Online only for me.
 

uwannawhat

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I orderd one.

Thanks for the heads~up lizardboy.

I've never had a problem with rebates through OD.

We'll see.

I'm using it on my daughters PC which she has plugged directly into the outlet. :Q
 

Chebago

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I reordered with the paperclips, it wasn't so much that they refused to honor it, it was more the morality lesson the manager decided to give me. Actually, it was pretty funny. This was the first time I have ever bought anything from OD, I know better now.
 

Camellia

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I ordered mine for pickup. It is out of stock online in my area. No problems for me with coupons used. Too bad some stores take it personally. They are getting more sales with people sharing.
 

brxndxn

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Originally posted by: TTM77
I used to have the 350 by them. It looks the same. I tried out on my PC. Even without anything plug into it. I hock up the USB monitor into my PC and let it run without electricity. Everytime it beeps, the power drop like by 15%. So the beep alone eats 15% of the power. Now imagine U have something plug. Anyway, I give it to my sister for her to power her lap or something. But it is not good for my PC.

500VA would hold more power. So in my opinion, it is ok. Not the best but ok for the price.

That's horrible logic. The battery meter on the UPS isn't that accurate. It does not eat up 15% of its power each time it beeps. If it does, you got a bad one.

I happen to have this 500VA UPS. It could actually power my 19" Trinitron monitor, wireless hub, cable modem, and pc with four hard drives (350watt power supply) for about 1.5 minutes. That is pretty amazing for a 500VA ups. Without the monitor, I would get about 10 minutes of backup power. Most people don't need more than 1.5 minutes of backup anyway because the power seldom goes out for more than that.. and it's plenty of time to save files.
 

Monolithic

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Its a rj-45 to serial connector.. I didn't even install the software.. who uses a serial connector these day, unless its on an old printer?
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: Chebago
I reordered with the paperclips, it wasn't so much that they refused to honor it, it was more the morality lesson the manager decided to give me. Actually, it was pretty funny. This was the first time I have ever bought anything from OD, I know better now.

Didn't you know, internet shoppers are all just thieves and scam artists... yadda, yadda, yadda.

Seriously, it's about time that some of these big-time "office superstores" (and other companies), that want to distribute savings coupons to users via the internet (because it's cheaper for them, than mailing them physically), to start doing things RIGHT. Instead of risking customers coming in with legitimate coupons, and getting berated by store associates/managers, due to the existance of a small amount (?) of coupon fraud.

They should generate coupons, with embedded cryptographically-hashed data, that can be used to uniquely, but non-reversably- identify the coupon holder as the original, authenticated, addressee. Either that, or they should accept that people are going to transfer, and unfortunately share, coupons that they don't want/need, and stores should be willing to accept the increased discounts, in the interest of customer service, and gaining new customers.

What I suggest, is that when a potential customer gets a coupon e-mailed to them, that it not include the coupon in the e-mail, but instead include a link to an SSL/HTTPS-protected web site. The URL would include the unique user-id (e-mail address, or store-specific customer ID number) embedded into it. That web site would then ask the user for a 4-digit PIN number, used to both retrieve and also redeem the coupon. The site would generate a coupon, including code # and barcode, with a one-way hash of the user-id information, along with an encoded representation of the PIN #. This data would then be cryptographically signed by a store-specific private key, before generating the barcode data.

When attempting to redeem the coupon, the store would take the coupon, scan it, and then ask the customer for that same PIN #, and possibly user-id info to verify. The store computer would verify the store-specific public key signature, and compute the one-way hash of the user-id info, and check the PIN #. Then the store could simply tell the customer that the coupon was "invalid" or if it was valid, ring up the discount.

Seems pretty simple and straightforward to me.

There's a trade-off here in terms of customer privacy and authenticating that the coupon was not transferred. I opted for privacy, in terms of user-id info not being stored (although that is probably not true, if the coupon was mailed to the customer, the customer is probably already in the DB somewhere).

In terms of multiple-redemption fraud, the store could log the purchase transaction info, as well as the one-way hash of the user-id and PIN #, but by using a one-way reducing hash on the user-id to increase privacy (so that a stolen/lost coupon printout couldn't be reverse-engineered to obtain personal info), it also increases the possibility of a database collision if that hash value turns out the same for two different inputs.

This could again result in bad customer service, if two legit coupons's user-id hashes happened to hash to the same value, and one of the customers was denied redemption of that coupon.

The other alternative, is to store the entire encoded data string stored in the coupon, after being cryptographically signed with the store's public key, as that string should be somewhat provably unique, I think. In fact this might be outright necessary, I'm not sure if you can "remove" the signature to get the user-id hash back before signing. If it's anything like PGP signing though, I think the signature is a different chunk of data appended. So really, I suppose both should be checked - the used-id hash/PIN # data set, to prevent illict transfer of the coupon, and the store's crypto-signed hash value of that data, to verify non-duplication and authenticated authorized creation.

The final question becomes, how to limit access to the coupon-generating site itself, to prevent the user from simply visiting the web site multiple times to generate more legitimate coupons. Assuming that the e-mail address of the customer is already in a database somewhere, then when the user visits that site, and generates a coupon, the database could store the coupon-creation info, either simply that it was created, or even store a complete copy of the coupon info. Depending on how well the store's networks were integrated, that might even be the best solution, as only one coupon could be created per-customer (assuming that the database was coded to only hold one coupon-info "slot" in the DB), and then the coupon could be cross-checked at redemption time at the store with the customer-info DB.

Really, that would be more akin to one-time-pad security, and would probably be the best solution, but would require the existance of a network infrastructure and database to support it.

So is the real problem, that the stores are not willing to prevent coupon fraud, or that they are unwilling to spend the amount necessary to upgrade their infrastructure to be able to prevent it?

Better yet, why haven't office superstores switched to a "shopper loyalty card" model like grocery stores? The customer could be required to apply for the card in-store, and present valid picture-id (to guarantee uniqueness), and then could simply be informed of occasional loyalty-card-holder promotions (with an associated shorter coupon #), and then they could simply use their card (with unique customer #), along with the promotion #, either online or in-store, and that promotion (again, assuming suitable network infrastructure), could simply be only allowed once.

Granted, personally, I hate those "shopper cards", and all of the privacy-invasion potential that they imply. Coupons printed out anonymously over the internet are perhaps better from a customer-privacy point-of-view, but as this thread indicates, the stores are having serious difficulties authenticating those coupon promotions, and trying to effectively combat coupon fraud by customers. I believe that my first suggestion, maintains customer privacy and low/no-cost distribution of coupon promotions over the internet, while still effectively combating coupon fraud due to illicit transfer/duplication/forgery.
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: HepDude
Is that the record for longest post at Anandtech Forums ?

Probably not, since I know I've posted a much longer one prior, in some memory thread. Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
 

gibster

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Originally posted by: Monolithic
Its a rj-45 to serial connector.. I didn't even install the software.. who uses a serial connector these day, unless its on an old printer?

Nah, it gets morphed to a USB port, this is the "U" model. Seems to work well, shows up as an APC Battery Backup device. I just wish they would go the extra milimeter and make it a network UPS - this way multiple PCs could be shut down without being on THAT UPS (but still on some other, and hooked up to the network). I guess a network setup is a little more complex, as you have to have switches, etc. on backup, and then build some network logic into each UPS... Oh well.
 

BobOki

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Looks like someone forgot rule #1 of customer service and gaining customers.
Rule #1. EASE OF USE
<eom>
 

flashbacck

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I have the BE500. Or rather, HAD. Just last week there was a power outtage in my Apt. Instead of giving me my damn 1.5 minutes, the thing shut itself off. Now it just constantly beeps and the "replace battery" light blinks. All I had plugged in was my monitor and computer.
 

tonysee

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Originally posted by: gibster
Originally posted by: Monolithic
Its a rj-45 to serial connector.. I didn't even install the software.. who uses a serial connector these day, unless its on an old printer?

Nah, it gets morphed to a USB port, this is the "U" model. Seems to work well, shows up as an APC Battery Backup device. I just wish they would go the extra milimeter and make it a network UPS - this way multiple PCs could be shut down without being on THAT UPS (but still on some other, and hooked up to the network). I guess a network setup is a little more complex, as you have to have switches, etc. on backup, and then build some network logic into each UPS... Oh well.
I have a BE500U, and if you're willing to jump through a few hoops, you can use it as a network UPS. To do so, you'll need to install apcupsd which you use in place of the standard PowerChute software (which is crap anyway, especially on Linux.) The setup isn't easy for novices, but once you clear all the hurdles (make sure to ./configure it with --enable-usb and --enable-master-slave) you can set up a "master" daemon on the system that's actually connected (via USB) to the UPS, and one or more "slaves" which listen to signals from the master when the UPS goes to powerfail mode, needs to initiate a shutdown, etc. The net effect is that, although the UPS is only connected to my Linux box, my Windows box will also get the shutdown signal when power runs low. A bit complicated for most people, but for those of us who don't have the $$$ for a true network UPS, I think it works out well.
 

salfter

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Originally posted by: gibster
Can these UPS units hook up to the network for getting unit data, or do they connect only by USB? The data plug is RJ45, I guess they "convert" it to USB, judging from the skimpy documentation available. It would rock if they were network-able. USB is cheesy.

Odds are that they also support RS-232, but you'd need to order a different cable from APC to use that. My work machines get their power through a Back-UPS XS 1500, and only 4 of the 10 positions (not 8, which would be RJ-45) in the connector are used for USB. Network support for an APC UPS is usually done with an add-in card on models that support it; I doubt that they'd bother with it for a little 500VA model. (I think it's mainly the Smart-UPS and other higher-end lines where that capability would be available.)

You might want to have a look at NUT if you're looking for something that'll enable monitoring of nearly any UPS across a network.
 

vicdoc

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Use Staples coupons: they will honor them at my B&amp;M OD. Then they can't very well challenge them. I get email (and mail) coupons from OD, OM, Staples....
 
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