APC 700 VA UPS at Circuit City $69.99 AR

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pigseye2

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I?m no expert so maybe Cardinal2k can help out here but here?s what I understand:

To covert from VA to Watts in an AC system (like a PC), you need to calculate the power factor (pf).
Power Factor = Watts/VA, We want to calculate the VA so

VA=Watts/pf

PC power supplies generally have a power factor of .6 to .7
However, an incandescent light bulb has a power factor very close to 1, thus we get the following calculations

250 Watt PC Power supply example:

PC Power Supply (VA) = 250/.7 = 357VA
Generally you would like to have 20 to 30% margin so for a 250 Watt PC power supply you would want a UPS that provided at least 357VA/.7 = 510VA

40 Watt Incandescent light bulb example:
OK this seems like a duh but,

Light bulb VA = 40W/1 pf = 40VA


Using the typical run time table at Sutton Designs website
http://www.suttondesigns.com/net700cht.htm
You can see that a 75VA load will run for approximately 113 minutes on a 700VA UPS.

MJ99,
If you plot the data you will recognize the exponential relationship between run-time versus load. Now I know this is not a mathematical calculation but at least you get the idea.

It may appear that a 40 watt light bulb on a 700VA UPS would run significantly longer then 113 minutes (maybe 3 to 3.5 hours). I don?t think this is true since there are operating losses of the UPS itself. I suspect Cardinal2k is right, 2 to 2½ hours is close to the most you would probably get.

But why speculate, buy one and do an experiment. Nothing like real life testing to find out. In fact I have a 700VA UPS at home, maybe I'll play with it this weekend.

Hope that helps.

Please note I am not an electrical designer and haven?t done real electrical engineering work since I was in school in the early 80?s.

Pigseye
 

cardinal2k

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<< I?m no expert so maybe Cardinal2k can help out here but here?s what I understand:

To covert from VA to Watts in an AC system (like a PC), you need to calculate the power factor (pf).
Power Factor = Watts/VA, We want to calculate the VA so

VA=Watts/pf

PC power supplies generally have a power factor of .6 to .7
However, an incandescent light bulb has a power factor very close to 1, thus we get the following calculations

250 Watt PC Power supply example:

PC Power Supply (VA) = 250/.7 = 357VA
Generally you would like to have 20 to 30% margin so for a 250 Watt PC power supply you would want a UPS that provided at least 357VA/.7 = 510VA

40 Watt Incandescent light bulb example:
OK this seems like a duh but,

Light bulb VA = 40W/1 pf = 40VA


Using the typical run time table at Sutton Designs website
http://www.suttondesigns.com/net700cht.htm
You can see that a 75VA load will run for approximately 113 minutes on a 700VA UPS.

MJ99,
If you plot the data you will recognize the exponential relationship between run-time versus load. Now I know this is not a mathematical calculation but at least you get the idea.

It may appear that a 40 watt light bulb on a 700VA UPS would run significantly longer then 113 minutes (maybe 3 to 3.5 hours). I don?t think this is true since there are operating losses of the UPS itself. I suspect Cardinal2k is right, 2 to 2½ hours is close to the most you would probably get.

But why speculate, buy one and do an experiment. Nothing like real life testing to find out. In fact I have a 700VA UPS at home, maybe I'll play with it this weekend.

Hope that helps.

Please note I am not an electrical designer and haven?t done real electrical engineering work since I was in school in the early 80?s.

Pigseye
>>




Did that guy just say Im right ? How bout that ! .. and .7 is industry standard as the PF .. be careful though .. some of the newer UPSs coming out are using diff PF's.


 

scoreadeal

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It is an APC rebadge. I got one last month when they had the rebate deal. It even comes with the APC Powerchute CD. Works great, recommended for the cost:runtime/load value.
 

cardinal2k

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<< It is an APC rebadge. I got one last month when they had the rebate deal. It even comes with the APC Powerchute CD. Works great, recommended for the cost:runtime/load value. >>



Now this guy knows what he is talking about .. Conext rocks ! Everyone get one !
 

pigseye2

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Hi Cardinal2k,
I'm not a real electrical engineer anymore but I am very interested in understanding the mathematical calculation of power versus time duration for a UPS.

Could you please show us how to calulate the power consumption versus time duration? I suspect it is a very interesting exponential equation.

Thanks,
Pigseye
 

mindwarp

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I believe everyone here is giving into the troll cardinal2k2. I would just stop responding to him guys.
 
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