apoppin re-evaluates nvidia [Formerly nm] ... back to x1950p

[Philippine Mango]

I thought apoppin was unbaised and didn't care whether it was ATI or nvidia....

 

[Philippine Mango]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: postmortemIA
Hey at least I have spare card

you would have spare one too if you weren't that uhm... greedy

ahem ... i will have a spare card tomorrow ...
nicer than your spare, i believe



and i sold my x850xt for $100 plus shipping from a Video thread ... the buyer got a very good deal

of course ... 20/20 hindsight ... i would have NEVER upgraded to that flashy and cheap Sapphire Whor....
... uh, whorrible card ...

:laugh:

That X850XT you sold, wasn't that the one you bought last year at the microcenter sale that was selling for $250 with a $50 MIR?

 

[Philippine Mango]

Originally posted by: apoppin
my OC is 100% stable @ 3.31Ghz with my 9800xt o/c'd to the max, with my x850xt [that could run reliably at PE+ speeds] and even with the VisionTek x1950p 256M [the x1950p only being at stock]

it was *only* unstable with my Sapphire

Yeah I think its the power supply. Apoppin, what is your max overclock and whats your max stable overclock overall? Have you tried overclocking with a low power video card? A 3.3ghz overclock isn't nearly as much as you should be able to get on that rig. What is/was your current power supply?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
I thought apoppin was unbaised and didn't care whether it was ATI or nvidia....

thought? what do you think ... now?

and you are a tiny minority ...

i thought *most* of the posters in Video consider/d me to be an ATi Fanboy

... an i *really* don't care what GPU powers my rig

and what leads you to *think* its the PS ... magic intuition?... i am CERTAIN it is not as
my P4's O/C is held back by my rRAM ... it isn't fast enough without lowering the divider.

an 'yep', that x850xt was my micorcenter sale card that i used for just over a year ... awesome card!

 

[Philippine Mango]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
I thought apoppin was unbaised and didn't care whether it was ATI or nvidia....

thought? what do you think ... now?

and you are a tiny minority ...

i thought *most* of the posters in Video consider/d me to be an ATi Fanboy

... an i *really* don't care what GPU powers my rig

and what leads you to *think* its the PS ... magic intuition?... i am CERTAIN it is not as
my P4's O/C is held back by my rRAM ... it isn't fast enough without lowering the divider.

an 'yep', that x850xt was my micorcenter sale card that i used for just over a year ... awesome card!

You should try to run at a divider and post your max overclock.

 

[apoppin]

i did that ... THREE years ago and i *settled* on what i got for max performance ... works fine for me

i AM upgrading to a Dual or Quad core PCIe2 rig next year and don't care to risk my CPU with a major voltage boost ...
... for so little.

 

[Philippine Mango]

Originally posted by: apoppin
i did that ... THREE years ago and i *settled* on what i got for max performance ... works fine for me

i AM upgrading to a Dual or Quad core PCIe2 rig next year and don't care to risk my CPU with a major voltage boost ...
... for so little.

Thats the thing, you need to give me the 411 on your system!!! What was your voltage, what stepping is your processor? M0? D1? You should be able to get 3.5ghz on stock volts! You need to reevaluate your system performance with someone who has wasted a good portion of 2005-2007 doing so . Trust me, if you could draw my innerself, it'd be that gimpy kid on 'Undergrads' the awesome tv show that was cancelled too soon.

 

[apoppin]

thanks for your interest

seriously ... my 2.80c is not one of the better o/cers ... i am *expert* in o/cing

i used to *live* in GH/CPU-OC forum before Video

the guys there agreed with me ... everubody and we really tried everything [except better HW]

i am *satisfied* with my system ... it is sufficient and i don't care to revisit overclocking it ... at all

next year

but a BIG thank-you for your interest and offer
:thumbsup:

 

[Philippine Mango]

Originally posted by: apoppin
thanks for your interest

seriously ... my 2.80c is not one of the better o/cers ... i am *expert* in o/cing

i used to *live* in GH/CPU-OC forum before Video

the guys there agreed with me ... everubody and we really tried everything [except better HW]

i am *satisfied* with my system ... it is sufficient and i don't care to revisit overclocking it ... at all

next year

but a BIG thank-you for your interest and offer
:thumbsup:

NEVARR!!!!!! YOU MUST TELL ME! ZOMG! DONT FORCE ME TO SOIL MYSELF IN MY EXPENSIVE CHAIR. YOU MUSTN'T give up! People were convinced that my max overclock was 3.5ghz despite using a divider but then 2 years later (Feb '06) I found definitive proof that they were wrong and that I was right.

Whats your stepping?????? I dunno if you know this but I was limited to 3.2ghz when I first started overclocking and anything faster was unstable, but when I changed out my powersupply, all of my problems went away. Then later (this month) I've discovered that my replacement power supply (antec) was not handling my even higher overclocks I was giving it when I discovered my ram to be the reason for being limited to 3.5ghz and I'm 80% sure now that its the cause. I've purchased a replacement power supply (Seasonic 650w S-12) and I'm going to see if that alleviated all of my issues.

Do you play BF2?

 

[apoppin]

good god i have trouble rememberinb what i posted yesterday and you expect me to remember *what stepping* ?
:Q

seriously it was one of the *crappier* ones ... with an "average" max OC of 3.2-3.4 .. we *compared*

i actually got 3.6 ... as i remember ... but it wasn't 100% stable and i didn't care for the increased Vcore ... 3.5 was stable ... but again too much voltage - for me

and frankly the difference between 3.3 and 3.5 isn't "major" ...especially when you consider the divider

No

i like FPS ... and now Action-adventure RPG

*maybe* i will try again IF i get next years PS ... next month

 

[Philippine Mango]

Originally posted by: apoppin
good god i have trouble rememberinb what i posted yesterday and you expect me to remember *what stepping* ?
:Q

seriously it was one of the *crappier* ones ... with an "average" max OC of 3.2-3.4 .. we *compared*

i actually got 3.6 ... as i remember ... but it wasn't 100% stable and i didn't care for the increased Vcore ... 3.5 was stable ... but again too much voltage - for me

and frankly the difference between 3.3 and 3.5 isn't "major" ...especially when you consider the divider

No

i like FPS ... and now Action-adventure RPG

*maybe* i will try again IF i get next years PS ... next month

Open up CPUZ and you'll find out. If you have a 30 capper chip, then you'll definately be able to overclock high. You keep saying the voltage was too high, what *was* your voltage? I know of D1 chips going up to 3.7ghz so...

 

[apoppin]

it was NOT a 30 capper

i remember 'that'

EDIT: ... maybe A0 ... or was that the good one?

it's been more than 3 years and and i kept following many threads on it ... Wasn't Duvie and a couple of other guys getting *insane* o/c's? from the 800Mhz FSB P4? [also ... the earlier P4s were even better but starved for bandwith ultimately]

mine was 'average' ... +500mhz is nothing to sneeze at for 2.8Ghz

and the voltage increase was enough to make the CPU temps dangerously high ... and i would need a much better HSF and would have to spend more money for RAM and cooling

as i said before i am *satisfied* ... and on schedule for next years makeover
[broke .... but on schedule]

 

[Philippine Mango]

Originally posted by: apoppin
it was NOT a 30 capper

i remember 'that'

EDIT: ... maybe A0 ... or was that the good one?

it's been more than 3 years and and i kept following many threads on it ... Wasn't Duvie and a couple of other guys getting *insane* o/c's? from the 800Mhz FSB P4? [also ... the earlier P4s were even better but starved for bandwith ultimately]

mine was 'average' ... +500mhz is nothing to sneeze at for 2.8Ghz

and the voltage increase was enough to make the CPU temps dangerously high ... and i would need a much better HSF and would have to spend more money for RAM and cooling

as i said before i am *satisfied* ... and on schedule for next years makeover
[broke .... but on schedule]

The real question is, why didn't you get another 2.8c back then? You can obtain one for pretty cheap now. 3.5ghz/3.8ghz is a lot faster then you think.

My next upgrade will be sometime in '09... When they have 8 core processors and DDR3.

 

[apoppin]

Core 2 Duo rules them all

--currently

i gotta upgrade to PCIe[2] ... and sometime in '08 is a natural for me ... the very latest stuff should be out and almost cutting-edge stuff will be pretty cheap in comparison ... so unlike the last couple of years

and as to "back then" ... i would have needed better RAM, better cooling and proably a better CPU - a crapshoot unless i paid a premium..
it is a vicious upgrading cycle that never ends with everybody *competing*

i dropped out

i get excellent FPS on all the games i play with good detail at the resolutions i game at ... i am not *missing out*

 

[Philippine Mango]

Originally posted by: apoppin
Core 2 Duo rules them all

--currently

i gotta upgrade to PCIe[2] ... and sometime in '08 is a natural for me ... the very latest stuff should be out and almost cutting-edge stuff will be pretty cheap in comparison ... so unlike the last couple of years

and as to "back then" ... i would have needed better RAM, better cooling and proably a better CPU - a crapshoot unless i paid a premium..
it is a vicious upgrading cycle that never ends with everybody *competing*

i dropped out

i get excellent FPS on all the games i play with good detail at the resolutions i game at ... i am not *missing out*

:frown:

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: apoppin
Core 2 Duo rules them all

--currently

i gotta upgrade to PCIe[2] ... and sometime in '08 is a natural for me ... the very latest stuff should be out and almost cutting-edge stuff will be pretty cheap in comparison ... so unlike the last couple of years

and as to "back then" ... i would have needed better RAM, better cooling and proably a better CPU - a crapshoot unless i paid a premium..
it is a vicious upgrading cycle that never ends with everybody *competing*

i dropped out

i get excellent FPS on all the games i play with good detail at the resolutions i game at ... i am not *missing out*

Very true statement. Good to see some "sensible overclocking". As long as you're happy, that's what counts, right? No matter what other people get.

I just got an A64 4000+, OC'ed so far to 2.89Ghz (241 x 12). I could boot into XP at 3Ghz, but it wasn't prime stable, even after bumping up the Vcore as high as I could (1.475v BIOS). If I intended to "compete" in the game, I would have had to buy a new mobo with greater vcore support, possibly get another cooler, etc., etc. But I decided that I was happy at where I was, at 1.4v Vcore (up from 1.35v). CoreTemp reads up to 59C under load, seems high enough to me.

Btw, I just came across http://www.xbitlabs.com/misc/picture/?s...0pro-gf7900gs/1950pro_pwr_full.gif&1=1 , it seems as though the power draw of an X1950Pro under load isn't so much, only 65.7W as they measured it. So much for going overboard on PSU capacity just for that card.
I haven't installed my X1950GT yet, but I don't forsee my 520W (18-20A on 12v) being a problem. It kind of makes sense, ~6A @ 12v for the card, ~12A @ 12V for the rest of the system, should be no problem.

 

[apoppin]

just be aware that it *appears* some Partners ... *cough sapphire* ... have UNDERstated their "minimum" PS requirements ... it seems you really DO need 30a on the 12v rail ...

 

[SickBeast]

My PSU is rated at 26A on the +12v rail...does that mean I can run one of these cards without issue? It's a 350w Enermax.

 

[happy medium]

Sickbeast, the calculator gives me 257 watts with this card. I think that give you a little room to overclock your cpu which you'll need for this card to. I think our psu can handle a 1950 pro.

http://www.extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
My PSU is rated at 26A on the +12v rail...does that mean I can run one of these cards without issue? It's a 350w Enermax.

I doubt it...i can't get my Sapphire to work correctly on my Antec 430w and 380w PSU's...both have 24a on the 12v.

 

[happy medium]

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I ran a overclocked 7900gt on an enermax 350w just fine.

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My 460 watt Seasonic puts out 26A on the 12v line. I run an Oced x1900XT just fine.

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This is a good question.

In this guys thread he has a total system output chart. (scroll all the way down) It looks like the 1950pro pulls about 25 more watts then the 7800gs (same as the 7900gt)


http://www.futuremark.com/forum/showthread.php?t=164

 

[Paratus]

If you're having X1950PRO problems & suspect PSU problems, do what I did. Get out your multimeter and measure the voltage at a molex at idle & at load.

My Enermax Liberty 500W only drooped .05V when my X1950PRO crashed. (12.01->11.96V) so it wasn't the PSU.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Paratus
If you're having X1950PRO problems & suspect PSU problems, do what I did. Get out your multimeter and measure the voltage at a molex at idle & at load.

My Enermax Liberty 500W only drooped .05V when my X1950PRO crashed. (12.01->11.96V) so it wasn't the PSU.

wth is wrong with them?


this is one *hell* of a nvidia evaluation
:Q

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Paratus
If you're having X1950PRO problems & suspect PSU problems, do what I did. Get out your multimeter and measure the voltage at a molex at idle & at load.

My Enermax Liberty 500W only drooped .05V when my X1950PRO crashed. (12.01->11.96V) so it wasn't the PSU.

wth is wrong with them?


this is one *hell* of a nvidia evaluation
:Q

you've distrubed the balance of the video forum....an ATI fanboy just can't up and switch to Nvidia....that's just.....ummm...wrong

 

[dug777]

With all due respect, i thought that an x1950 pro AGP is in a different class to the 7800GS AGP?