Appeals court says Lakeland girl, 17, can have abortion without telling parents

[zendari]

Originally posted by: m316foley
So how would you feel if I knocked your daughter up? Would you kick her out? Would you tell her to get an abortion? What would YOU do

Yes. She (currently) has a right to an abortion and can do as she wishes after that. I'm not afraid to admit to myself that my kid is a screwup. Ultimately its her life, not mine.

When does having sex or getting pregnant mean that you don't care about your parents? Do YOU have sex? Does that mean YOU don't care about your parents? You make it sound like if your child does something wrong (which this is still even questionable), that a parent should cast them aside. Of course, we all know the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, so I wonder if that's what your parents did you to you when you screwed up when you were younger?

I don't live with my parents anymore. But while I did I respected their wishes, which meant not impregnating someone.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: zendari
It's not exactly difficult to not be pregnant if you don't want to be.

Easy for you to say... since you're a guy.

Abstinence is 100% successful at preventing pregnancy.

And an absolute failure in practical social application.

Considering your enlightened outlook on life, I'm sure the females around you give you get plenty of abstinence and nothing more.

 

[m316foley]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: m316foley
So how would you feel if I knocked your daughter up? Would you kick her out? Would you tell her to get an abortion? What would YOU do

Yes. She (currently) has a right to an abortion and can do as she wishes after that. I'm not afraid to admit to myself that my kid is a screwup. Ultimately its her life, not mine.

When does having sex or getting pregnant mean that you don't care about your parents? Do YOU have sex? Does that mean YOU don't care about your parents? You make it sound like if your child does something wrong (which this is still even questionable), that a parent should cast them aside. Of course, we all know the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, so I wonder if that's what your parents did you to you when you screwed up when you were younger?

I don't live with my parents anymore. But while I did I respected their wishes, which meant not impregnating someone.

Sir, you did not answer the question. Have you ever had premarital sex? Because this isn't an issue of "getting pregnant" and abortions in your eyes, apparently to you it's about premarital sex.

 

[Moonbeam]

If you are a good person because you were controlled and programmed by hate and fear then you wish evil on people who break the rules. If you are good because you love life and love the good you feel compassion for sinners. These two feelings lead to conservatives and liberals. Zendari's self hate masks itself behind a focus on virtue. He believes that salvation is to be had in law. He does not know that his soul is tormented by fear of hell all the while he has been forgiven. The way out, of course is to assume the Cross and the Crucifixion, but oh my God, the pain. How, merciful God, will we survive the pain.

Well of course we already have as the pain we must feel is pain we went through long ago as children.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: zendari
Yes. She (currently) has a right to an abortion and can do as she wishes after that. I'm not afraid to admit to myself that my kid is a screwup. Ultimately its her life, not mine.

When does having sex or getting pregnant mean that you don't care about your parents? Do YOU have sex? Does that mean YOU don't care about your parents? You make it sound like if your child does something wrong (which this is still even questionable), that a parent should cast them aside. Of course, we all know the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, so I wonder if that's what your parents did you to you when you screwed up when you were younger?

I don't live with my parents anymore. But while I did I respected their wishes, which meant not impregnating someone.

Sir, you did not answer the question. Have you ever had premarital sex? Because this isn't an issue of "getting pregnant" and abortions in your eyes, apparently to you it's about premarital sex.

Not sure why that's relevant, but I've always acted responsibility and accepted the potential consequences of my actions.

Getting pregnant is completely the issue. No pregnancy means this article doesn't exist.

 

[m316foley]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: zendari
Yes. She (currently) has a right to an abortion and can do as she wishes after that. I'm not afraid to admit to myself that my kid is a screwup. Ultimately its her life, not mine.

When does having sex or getting pregnant mean that you don't care about your parents? Do YOU have sex? Does that mean YOU don't care about your parents? You make it sound like if your child does something wrong (which this is still even questionable), that a parent should cast them aside. Of course, we all know the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, so I wonder if that's what your parents did you to you when you screwed up when you were younger?

I don't live with my parents anymore. But while I did I respected their wishes, which meant not impregnating someone.

Sir, you did not answer the question. Have you ever had premarital sex? Because this isn't an issue of "getting pregnant" and abortions in your eyes, apparently to you it's about premarital sex.

Not sure why that's relevant, but I've always acted responsibility and accepted the potential consequences of my actions.

Getting pregnant is completely the issue. No pregnancy means this article doesn't exist.

Ahhh, true, but I'll take your answer above as a yes to premarital sex. But then, that also leaves me to this quote:

Family values means respect for your parents not open defiance.

I'm sure your parents didn't want you to have premarital sex and that is pretty much open defiance. And really...in the society we look at today, aren't we supposed to look around us and evolve and start asking questions? If we just blindly follow our parents, look how many racists and closed-minded people there would be in the world today. Defiance is simply a part of evolution.

According to you, I should take my mother's family's views and be racist as well. I guess I'm being defiant, but I like to think on my own and determine my own family values.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: m316foley

I'm sure your parents didn't want you to have premarital sex and that is pretty much open defiance. And really...in the society we look at today, aren't we supposed to look around us and evolve and start asking questions? If we just blindly follow our parents, look how many racists and closed-minded people there would be in the world today. Defiance is simply a part of evolution.

According to you, I should take my mother's family's views and be racist as well. I guess I'm being defiant, but I like to think on my own and determine my own family values.

Where did you come up with that idea?

If you want to think on your own, as an adult, and act on your own, as an adult, then be on your own, as an adult.

If this girl wants to fornicate she is free to do it on her own.

 

[m316foley]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: m316foley

I'm sure your parents didn't want you to have premarital sex and that is pretty much open defiance. And really...in the society we look at today, aren't we supposed to look around us and evolve and start asking questions? If we just blindly follow our parents, look how many racists and closed-minded people there would be in the world today. Defiance is simply a part of evolution.

According to you, I should take my mother's family's views and be racist as well. I guess I'm being defiant, but I like to think on my own and determine my own family values.

Where did you come up with that idea?

If you want to think on your own, as an adult, and act on your own, as an adult, then be on your own, as an adult.

If this girl wants to fornicate she is free to do it on her own.

Wait a minute. So if I'm 14 and my parents are racist, I either have to be racist too and live under their roof......or go to jail because I'm a runaway for not wanting to follow racism. Extreme yes, but what it sounds like you want is for children to follow blindly of their parents' ways. Which, if you follow blindly as a child, you're going to follow blindly as an adult. A perfect example is racism...

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: m316foley

I'm sure your parents didn't want you to have premarital sex and that is pretty much open defiance. And really...in the society we look at today, aren't we supposed to look around us and evolve and start asking questions? If we just blindly follow our parents, look how many racists and closed-minded people there would be in the world today. Defiance is simply a part of evolution.

According to you, I should take my mother's family's views and be racist as well. I guess I'm being defiant, but I like to think on my own and determine my own family values.

Where did you come up with that idea?

If you want to think on your own, as an adult, and act on your own, as an adult, then be on your own, as an adult.

If this girl wants to fornicate she is free to do it on her own.

You do not understand. There is no reason she should be thrown out on her own because she made a mistake. That is the hate for yourself in you talking wishing to punish her.

 

[PELarson]

Originally posted by: zendari


I hope her parents do find out and toss her out of the house.

Thankfully Florida is not Cali and the people aren't interested in eroding parental rights.

The parents fail at their task and you believe they ought to toss their failure out like the trash.

Zendari's values at their best!

 

[Beowulf]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Beowulf

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
This post has nothing to do w/ birth control, why would it be about abortion if someone had used birth control?

Of course it doesn't but damn at 17years old you could be smarter and save yourself from a costly medical procedure.Not that am bashing abortion at all but being a bit smarter helps in the long run.

you mean a costly medical procedure called giving birth?

Nope I mean't costly as in $ wise.Abortions cost money and someone has to pay for it and I doubt at 17 years old you have the money for it.In 2001 the average cost was $487 I don't know the current going rate.Thinking ahead and getting condoms and such is a wiser move in my opinion.

 

[Beowulf]

Originally posted by: Agnostos Insania

Originally posted by: zendari
Show me a 14 year old girl tried as an adult in recent years?

12 year-old boy good enough?
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0312/27/cst.03.html

Originally posted by: Beowulf
What happened to condoms and birth control? If you plan to sleep around you might as well be smart about it.Its not rocket science or anything complicated.

To a religous family, contraception might as well be rocket science. If she knew enough about birth control she wouldn't be in this situation. It's pretty common for kids in heavilly religious families to have abortions, how ironic that may be.

I've dated many Catholic school girls from St. Brendan in Miami and they all knew about condoms, birth control and etc...I guess it depends alot on several factors but you must be a real idiot not to figure things out.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: zendari
Sorry, a 14 year old regardless of gender. I've never heard of one being tried as an adult in recent years.

I guess you can pull your head out of that hole in the ground you share with Pabster. Just because you haven't heard of it, it never happened? Is that the gist of your argument? Pffft, so lame.

14-year old tried as adult

Can my child be tried in adult court?

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: Beowulf

Originally posted by: Agnostos Insania

Originally posted by: zendari
Show me a 14 year old girl tried as an adult in recent years?

12 year-old boy good enough?
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0312/27/cst.03.html

Originally posted by: Beowulf
What happened to condoms and birth control? If you plan to sleep around you might as well be smart about it.Its not rocket science or anything complicated.

To a religous family, contraception might as well be rocket science. If she knew enough about birth control she wouldn't be in this situation. It's pretty common for kids in heavilly religious families to have abortions, how ironic that may be.

I've dated many Catholic school girls from St. Brendan in Miami and they all knew about condoms, birth control and etc...I guess it depends alot on several factors but you must be a real idiot not to figure things out.

Catholics look decidedly liberal when compared to some of these Evangelical and Fundie groups. Besides, we all know about Catholic school girls.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: EatSpam

That's the thing about kids in religious families, despite all their Jesus and beatings and prayers, they're just as horny as kids from those dangerous "librul" families. The religious kid goes out, has sex, totally ignorant of birth control options, pregnancy, STDs, etc. Then when she ends up pregnant, her sinful ways are blamed, instead of the parent taking responsibility for not educating their child.

Because it's so damn difficult to figure out how to use birth control on your own.

If you're going to stick your pecker into holes or spread your legs for a 14 year old pimple farmer you'll get what's "coming" to you.

If you're living on someone else's bill you play by their rules or GTFO.

Knowledge of birth control, sex, and other such matters are limited by what you've been taught or what you have experienced. Have you ever met someone from one of these strict Christian sects? They're niave and sheltered, typically homeschooled or in a strict private school. Its no surprise that they have no idea what their sexual urges are and what the consequences of acting on them were.

 

[DealMonkey]

We all know Zendari would kick his daughter out of the house if she ever got pregnant, I wonder what he would do if his offspring switched teams and admitted to being gay?

 

[m316foley]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
We all know Zendari would kick his daughter out of the house if she ever got pregnant, I wonder what he would do if his offspring switched teams and admitted to being gay?

Obviously he'd kick them out because it doesn't agree with their views...