Apple’s iPhone Is Closing In on Samsung Smartphone Sales

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I think a lot of people will. Apple established itself as the luxury smartphone brand. The class of people that drive Lexuses and BMWs will buy iPhones. I expect within three years the Chineseification of Android will make it so there is a $100-200 solid Apple Tax for their devices.

Apple has already started taking down the hardware value of their phones (aka cutting corners on the insides), I expect tablets are next. Honestly I am SHOCKED the Air 2 is so good given the lack of competition in Android.

everybody buys iphones. and their children.
 

Ichinisan

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If Apple sticks to their release schedule, they will ship lame "S" revisions to the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus in 3Q that are only minor improvements to the shipping model.

If Samsung releases a seriously improved Galaxy S6 around that time, it shouldn't have any problem becoming a best seller.

Nearly every generation of iPhone has had a massive performance improvement over the predecessor...especially "S" models like the 3GS and 4S. Every Apple product cycle pushes performance in the Android market too. Samsung releases their latest flagship devices with mind-blowing specs, then Apple releases their new lineup with slightly better performance than the best Android devices (despite specs that seem lower on paper). Next year, the cycle starts again.

My main problem with Apple right now is the 1GB RAM on iPhone 6 and iPad mini 3. Since the transition to 64-bit, there's less usable RAM (the OS has 32bit modules loaded simultaneously with 64bit modules). For users with my habits, 1GB is just awful. For users with different habits, it's just fine...

That said, 64-bit is another thing Apple did that caught other SoC makers by surprise.

Personally, an iPhone 5/5c performs better for my web browsing habits...but I need the bigger screen of the 6 Plus. Can't wait for the next product cycle since it's overdue for a RAM capacity increase...
 
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Nearly every generation of iPhone has had a massive performance improvement over the predecessor...especially "S" models like the 3GS and 4S. Every Apple product cycle pushes performance in the Android market too. Samsung releases their latest flagship devices with mind-blowing specs, then Apple releases their new lineup with slightly better performance than the best Android devices (despite specs that seem lower on paper). Next year, the cycle starts again.

My main problem with Apple right now is the 1GB RAM on iPhone 6 and iPad mini 3. Since the transition to 64-bit, there's less usable RAM (the OS has 32bit modules loaded simultaneously with 64bit modules). For users with my habits, 1GB is just awful. For users with different habits, it's just fine...

64-bit is another thing Apple did that caught other SoC makers by surprise.

Yep. Once I saw the specs and benchmarks on the iPad Air 2 I told everyone on the fence about the 6 to wait it out for the 6s. I'm fully assuming Apple will put those guts in the 6s and it will be a beastly little device. The 6 by itself is a gimped product with a short lifespan. The 6s will not be a meaningless update. The internals are going to be greatly improved.
 

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Yep. Once I saw the specs and benchmarks on the iPad Air 2 I told everyone on the fence about the 6 to wait it out for the 6s. I'm fully assuming Apple will put those guts in the 6s and it will be a beastly little device. The 6 by itself is a gimped product with a short lifespan. The 6s will not be a meaningless update. The internals are going to be greatly improved.

Which, love it or hate it, is another things Apple does with razor like precision. Make each product just good enough to encourage mass upgrades while making sure something easily added will be the next big thing. Hard to fault them when it has worked so well for so long.
 

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Which, love it or hate it, is another things Apple does with razor like precision. Make each product just good enough to encourage mass upgrades while making sure something easily added will be the next big thing. Hard to fault them when it has worked so well for so long.

Samsung is facing the music on that with the S3/S4/S5/future S6 derivatives. Only so much "innovation" you can do once you push past screen sizes.
 

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Samsung is facing the music on that with the S3/S4/S5/future S6 derivatives. Only so much "innovation" you can do once you push past screen sizes.

That is true.

What Samsung does do right (in my eyes at least) however is to release at least one flagship phone pretty much fully maxed out every year in the Note series. I was sort of hoping Apple would go the same route with the 6+ line of phones. Even if it comes at a premium it would be neat to see a fully decked out iPhone. Then again, that might work against them I suppose. My Note 2 is still plenty fast enough for me, so I haven't felt the need to upgrade. That isn't the name of the game.
 

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Nearly every generation of iPhone has had a massive performance improvement over the predecessor...especially "S" models like the 3GS and 4S. Every Apple product cycle pushes performance in the Android market too. Samsung releases their latest flagship devices with mind-blowing specs, then Apple releases their new lineup with slightly better performance than the best Android devices (despite specs that seem lower on paper). Next year, the cycle starts again.

My main problem with Apple right now is the 1GB RAM on iPhone 6 and iPad mini 3. Since the transition to 64-bit, there's less usable RAM (the OS has 32bit modules loaded simultaneously with 64bit modules). For users with my habits, 1GB is just awful. For users with different habits, it's just fine...

That said, 64-bit is another thing Apple did that caught other SoC makers by surprise.

Personally, an iPhone 5/5c performs better for my web browsing habits...but I need the bigger screen of the 6 Plus. Can't wait for the next product cycle since it's overdue for a RAM capacity increase...

The only thing honestly is while internals do get much better (5 -> 5S), I do think it's fair to say the S-refresh is a bit less exciting when the form factor is identical. It's highly unlikely either the design or screen will be changed. Instead you'll get a 14nm A9 which will be a screamer, 2GB of memory, an improved camera, and a few other "new" things.

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As far as Samsung's results, as expected, though slightly better than their revised guidance earlier this month.

http://global.samsungtomorrow.com/samsung-electronics-announces-fourth-quarter-fy-2014-results/

Smartphone shipments down y/o/y to somewhere in the mid-70 million, though the one bright spot was ASPs actually went up, implying good sales of the Note 4.

Memory, SSDs, and APs carried the quarter - and their ramp up of 14nm in 1H 2015 should be very positive for them. Not only by selling far more Exynos SOCs but possibly re-gaining a large share of Apple's business.

The S6 really has to live up to Samsung's promise of all-out to revitalize their mobile business.
 

poofyhairguy

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Yep. Once I saw the specs and benchmarks on the iPad Air 2 I told everyone on the fence about the 6 to wait it out for the 6s.

I tried doing that too but all the normals in my life were so desperate to get a larger screen iPhone they all ignored me and bought a 6 or 6 plus anyway. The most tech savvy of my Apple friends even calls his iPhone 6 "My 2012 Android Phone" when he talks to me because I went on so much about what a rip the 6 and 6 plusses were compared to what Android is or what the 6s will be.

Apple is gonna make bank when all these people are pushed to upgrade in two years by an iOS update.
 

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http://blog.gsmarena.com/qantas-trial-samsung-gear-vr-headset-flight-entertainment/

So I'll reiterate my opinion that I like this investment by Samsung. For probably tens of millions at the most (the price of a couple commercials), they're building the potential for something truly differentiating for the Galaxy line.

This dev edition product isn't ready for prime time, but the next rev might be. I don't think people will go get a Note 4 or S6 solely to get a VR (which is the source of the ridiculous $900 price tag people are floating around), but if people are going to buy a flagship phone and spend their $650-750 on something, I do think it can eventually influence purchasing preference among a tech savvy/gaming/pervert niche.

So for $100-$200 more for the VR headset, I get to also use my fancy new smartphone in a whole different way.

This is still in its infancy - the tech has to keep getting better and content needs to really step up (apparently porn is growing though). But if starting with the Note 4 - all subsequent Galaxy S and Note phones can plug into the Gear VR, it has the potential to grow into something moderately successful.
 

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Oyeve:

I don't know why you'd cheer for Android to get even more market share. Yay, death of competition! Embrace the status quo! Conform, submit, obey!

Look, I don't think Apple is destined to rule the smartphone world by any stretch, but having at least one other viable, genuinely different mobile operating system is good for everyone. And mobile tech isn't a war where you're supposed to annihilate the "enemy." So long as your own platform is reasonably up to date, well-supported by apps and has a healthy future ahead, you don't need to champion for much more.
 

QueBert

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Who cares. Collectively Android is killing apple and that's all that matters to me.

Yet I still have a selection of better apps on my iPhone, clearly better. I don't give a crap about stuff like market share. People who buy Android are like "hay look at me I hate Apple and Android's MOAR BETTER!" I bought a 6+ because when I used it I found it to be the best phone. Am I right? Nope, that's an opinion. Android might be "killing Apple" percentage wise. But as far as apps and accessories I sure as hell couldn't tell. I'm glad I don't care and don't judge people off their preference. If you're a Phandroid - great run with it. If you're an Apple fan boy - great run with it. You know what matters to me? having access to the best apps and the most accessories.
 

ultimatebob

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Nearly every generation of iPhone has had a massive performance improvement over the predecessor...especially "S" models like the 3GS and 4S. Every Apple product cycle pushes performance in the Android market too. Samsung releases their latest flagship devices with mind-blowing specs, then Apple releases their new lineup with slightly better performance than the best Android devices (despite specs that seem lower on paper). Next year, the cycle starts again.

My main problem with Apple right now is the 1GB RAM on iPhone 6 and iPad mini 3. Since the transition to 64-bit, there's less usable RAM (the OS has 32bit modules loaded simultaneously with 64bit modules). For users with my habits, 1GB is just awful. For users with different habits, it's just fine...

That said, 64-bit is another thing Apple did that caught other SoC makers by surprise.

Personally, an iPhone 5/5c performs better for my web browsing habits...but I need the bigger screen of the 6 Plus. Can't wait for the next product cycle since it's overdue for a RAM capacity increase...

You seem to forget that the millions of soccer moms and pointy haired bosses that are buying iPhone 6's don't really care what CPU is in the phone or how much RAM it has.

Sadly, this is pretty much still a solid representation of your average iOS user:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg

These people would be more impressed if the "iPhone 6s" had features like water resistance, a better camera flash, or an extra 6 hours of battery life. They might want it to be even thinner, although I have no idea why.
 
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Ichinisan

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You seem to forget that the millions of soccer moms and pointy haired bosses that are buying iPhone 6's don't really care what CPU is in the phone or how much RAM it has.
So that somehow means iDevice performance is NOT pushing the competition to leapfrog each other with each product cycle? Another example: No other manufacturer even attempted to make a high DPI display until Apple did it.

Sadly, this is pretty much still a solid representation of your average iOS user:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg

These people would be more impressed if the "iPhone 6s" had features like water resistance, a better camera flash, or an extra 6 hours of battery life. They might want it to be even thinner, although I have no idea why.

How did I know it would be that video? :awe:

What a perfect example of how misguided Apple haters are / were. HTC Evo "4G." A WiMAX phone. How much could you sell it for 1 year ago? I sold an iPhone 4 16GB for $200.
 
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ultimatebob

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So that somehow means iDevice performance is NOT pushing the competition to leapfrog each other with each product cycle? Another example: No other manufacturer even attempted to make a high DPI display until Apple did it.

True, but Apple didn't make a phone with a larger display until their Android competition was doing it for 2 years. They even made a point in making fun of those large screen phones in former Apple keynotes, but their customer base didn't buy it.

I have an iPhone 6 myself, but that's mostly because of I was sick of Verizon pushing bad Android updates to my old Samsung phone and screwing it up every few months. I'd imagine that I would have been just as happy with a Google Play edition phone.
 

Ichinisan

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True, but Apple didn't make a phone with a larger display until their Android competition was doing it for 2 years. They even made a point in making fun of those large screen phones in former Apple keynotes, but their customer base didn't buy it.

I have an iPhone 6 myself, but that's mostly because of I was sick of Verizon pushing bad Android updates to my old Samsung phone and screwing it up every few months. I'd imagine that I would have been just as happy with a Google Play edition phone.

Yeah. They've been playing leapfrog with performance for several years now, but Apple is stubborn about some things. Apple only made a mini tablet after it was obvious they'd lose major market share to 7" Android tablets if they didn't do it. Apple still managed to price it much higher than the competition's 7" tablets.
 

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You seem to forget that the millions of soccer moms and pointy haired bosses that are buying iPhone 6's don't really care what CPU is in the phone or how much RAM it has.

Sadly, this is pretty much still a solid representation of your average iOS user:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg

These people would be more impressed if the "iPhone 6s" had features like water resistance, a better camera flash, or an extra 6 hours of battery life. They might want it to be even thinner, although I have no idea why.

These kind of stereotypes are played out - on both the iOS and Android sides. The "huge" differences people spout about truly are small today. There's very little one ecosystem can do that the other can't. There are strengths on both sides sure, but nothing like it was 2 years ago.

In the Silicon Valley, the majority of engineers and designers I know use iPhones and they're probably the most savvy users around. And yes, there are "moms" who like iPhones b/c they're so easy to use. Things like the camera just work.

On the flip side (and ignoring tablet apps where there is a legit difference), there is nothing I wish I could do on my Android phone that's only available in iOS. Major apps are mostly equivalent and there are some legitimate niche things you can do on the Android side due to their distributed ecosystem - like active notifications or s-pen.
 

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These kind of stereotypes are played out - on both the iOS and Android sides. The "huge" differences people spout about truly are small today. There's very little one ecosystem can do that the other can't. There are strengths on both sides sure, but nothing like it was 2 years ago.

After getting an iPad recently I 100% disagree. Android has gotten to the point it is very functional OS for me. With mouse support, great USB support, great file managers with network support, Office support, emulation support, etc. what you get with a non-rooted Android phone/tablet functionality wise is very close to a real OS like OSX or Ubuntu. iOS feels like a toy OS in comparison because it has no decent file management even if you jailbreak (I would pay $50 to get the free Es File Explorer on there), no mouse support, and the fake multi-tasking outright sucks. The only functional advantage for me over Android is that I can use a Wiimote with it, but only when I completely blow away the iOS bluetooth stack and replace it.

I love the iPad hardware and I would pay $100 extra for it to run Android because iOS is so non functional for any person who actually knows how to use a computer and doesn't need a compute appliance. I have basically accepted this thing will be a glorified web browser and game console because even with jailbreak what I can do is so limited. I understand that for 99% of people iOS is just as good or ever better because it has some fitness or social network app they like, but to say on a nerdy forum that there is very little Android can do that iOS can't is simply wrong.
 

Tom

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After getting an iPad recently I 100% disagree. Android has gotten to the point it is very functional OS for me. With mouse support, great USB support, great file managers with network support, Office support, emulation support, etc. what you get with a non-rooted Android phone/tablet functionality wise is very close to a real OS like OSX or Ubuntu. iOS feels like a toy OS in comparison because it has no decent file management even if you jailbreak (I would pay $50 to get the free Es File Explorer on there), no mouse support, and the fake multi-tasking outright sucks. The only functional advantage for me over Android is that I can use a Wiimote with it, but only when I completely blow away the iOS bluetooth stack and replace it.

I love the iPad hardware and I would pay $100 extra for it to run Android because iOS is so non functional for any person who actually knows how to use a computer and doesn't need a compute appliance. I have basically accepted this thing will be a glorified web browser and game console because even with jailbreak what I can do is so limited. I understand that for 99% of people iOS is just as good or ever better because it has some fitness or social network app they like, but to say on a nerdy forum that there is very little Android can do that iOS can't is simply wrong.

mouse support ? file management ?

I understand where you're coming from, I'm old.

But that is not where the world has gone. People want touch. People want function.

They don't want to screw around with files and mice.
 

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I think a lot of people will. Apple established itself as the luxury smartphone brand. The class of people that drive Lexuses and BMWs will buy iPhones. I expect within three years the Chineseification of Android will make it so there is a $100-200 solid Apple Tax for their devices.

Apple has already started taking down the hardware value of their phones (aka cutting corners on the insides), I expect tablets are next. Honestly I am SHOCKED the Air 2 is so good given the lack of competition in Android.

That's one of the great things about Apple; they try and make the best products possible, regardless. You never know when you're competitors are going to pop up with someone that might effectively compete with your own product, so it's very important to never take your eye off the ball.
 

poofyhairguy

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mouse support ? file management ?

I understand where you're coming from, I'm old.

But that is not where the world has gone. People want touch. People want function.

They don't want to screw around with files and mice.

I get that, I wasn't arguing that most people should care. I was saying that on Android you don't have to choose between having traditional computing functionality vs mobile functionality. You get both. It is false to say that the mobile OSes have parity just because most people have limited needs. My wife who hates mice and doesn't get file management can use an Android phone just fine. It is all hidden from her unless she installs this or that and digs. With iOS even hacking the crap out of it I can't browse a SMB share worth a damn and easily copy and paste files onto my device. There is no functionality parity after a basic level.

I don't care, I needed a nice portable web browser. I still love this iPad. It sucks to browser on a Nexus 7 in comparison. Plus a Wiimote is perfect for emulation games. I just wanted to point out that parity didn't exist.

That's one of the great things about Apple; they try and make the best products possible, regardless. You never know when you're competitors are going to pop up with someone that might effectively compete with your own product, so it's very important to never take your eye off the ball.

Yeah Apple does strive for a high level of quality I will give them that. I don't think they succeed every time, and I think that some of their devices are obvious winners (iPad 2, iPad 4, iPad Mini 2, iPad Air 2) and some end up being useless long before the average due to some deficiency (iPad 1, iPad 3, I think the iPad Air 1 and Mini 3 will be here eventually). It comes down to consumers making good choices and not just blindly buying product from anyone, but using your brain is sometimes too much to ask.
 
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ultimatebob

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On the flip side (and ignoring tablet apps where there is a legit difference), there is nothing I wish I could do on my Android phone that's only available in iOS. Major apps are mostly equivalent and there are some legitimate niche things you can do on the Android side due to their distributed ecosystem - like active notifications or s-pen.

One thing that I miss from my old Android phone is Google Now alerts for traffic and package delivery.

Yes, you can kinda do the same thing by installing the Google app on your iPhone, but it doesn't work as well or have as much functionality.

And, YES, I know that having that feature on was one of the reasons why my old Galaxy S3 had such lousy battery life.

I'm pretty platform agnostic myself. I have an iPhone, but my wife has an Android phone. I have a Nexus 7 tablet running Lollipop, but I have an old iPad as well. I have a Windows 7 laptop and Linux server at work, but I have a Macbook at home. Each platform has their plusses and minuses.
 
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