Apple A7 is now 64-bit

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ShintaiDK

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As shown, the 64bit apps uses around 30% more memory in IOS. So one can only wonder why Apple didnt add an extra GB. But again, thats what future products are for.
 

TerryMathews

Lifer
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As shown, the 64bit apps uses around 30% more memory in IOS. So one can only wonder why Apple didnt add an extra GB. But again, thats what future products are for.

Hence why many of us earlier were questioning why the push for 64 bit on a device with such a small memory footprint.
 

TuxDave

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Anand iPad Air review is up.

I don't buy the 6-wide issue. At least there's close to 0 chance Cyclone decodes 6 instructions per cycle, that'd be crazy. I wonder if Anand did not see something like 100% clock boost with a 3-wide machine.

Six wide decode is out of the question. Six wide arithmetic execution is more plausible but a still hard to believe as it puts it close to Haswell's execution width.
 

mavere

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Is the "low" amount of RAM a reason not to buy it? I mean, I have never noticed any problems on my iPhone 5, but I reckon the 64-bit CPU will consume larger amounts of RAM.

I personally think the RAM "issue" is overblown, and there are other things WAY higher on the priority list (the iPad should have more battery life than the Macbook Air, and let's get iOS7 back to perpetual 60fps buttery smoothness). It's definitely easy enough to open several apps and suspend the older ones to memory, but the reload speed is ridiculously quick compared to my old iPad 3 and I'm not sure if I'm actually annoyed...

However, maybe your needs are different, so have you considered simply buying it and testing it before the return period ends? I'm doing the same, except I'm contemplating whether I should switch to the Mini 2 instead.
 

Jurge92

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However, maybe your needs are different, so have you considered simply buying it and testing it before the return period ends? I'm doing the same, except I'm contemplating whether I should switch to the Mini 2 instead.

The thing is, they were sold out yesterday, and they won't receive new shipment until at least 2-3 weeks. However, they said I could get the 20% off if I payed today(Saturday), but won't get the iPad until they do.

I don't believe my needs are that high, but when I purchase a premium product, I want it to be premium. That includes the RAM. I'm going to jailbreak, and some of those tweaks will definitely requires some good chunks of physical memory.

I just can't believe they didn't include 2GB of RAM when they run on 64-bit. I mean, the new Nexus 7 runs at 2GB if RAM at 32-bit and is a lot cheaper. It just doesn't make any sense...
 

Haserath

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The thing is, they were sold out yesterday, and they won't receive new shipment until at least 2-3 weeks. However, they said I could get the 20% off if I payed today(Saturday), but won't get the iPad until they do.

I don't believe my needs are that high, but when I purchase a premium product, I want it to be premium. That includes the RAM. I'm going to jailbreak, and some of those tweaks will definitely requires some good chunks of physical memory.

I just can't believe they didn't include 2GB of RAM when they run on 64-bit. I mean, the new Nexus 7 runs at 2GB if RAM at 32-bit and is a lot cheaper. It just doesn't make any sense...
It doesn't make any sense just like it doesn't make any sense that 16GB of NAND adds $100.

It was most likely to save a bit now and upgrade on the next ipad. Their regular user base won't even notice.

The upgrades are stretched out to keep people buying. Small margin gains now and bigger $$ later.

Android has similar devices for less, it's just not as well integrated(Devices work fine but app support and battery life could be improved). Like Windows vs Mac.

The Nexus 7 wasn't all that rosy though... It's had reboot and mutitouch issues since launch with no response from Google really...
 

Mopetar

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As shown, the 64bit apps uses around 30% more memory in IOS. So one can only wonder why Apple didnt add an extra GB.

Battery life. They had to use a smaller battery and adding an extra GB of RAM would draw more power.
 

NTMBK

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Sorry for the minor threadomancy, but Linus posted an interesting forum post about why you want 64-bit in ARM:

And please notice that PAE/LPAE really matters only past 4GB. Linux already uses "high memory" past the 1GB (or 2GB) mark, and it already slows things down, and you actually want to use 64-bit already much earlier than you need PAE/LPAE.

Read that again. You want 64-bit before you want LPAE. Seriously.

By the time you need LPAE, you're basically already screwed. You've gone from "some of the memory can't be accessed directly" to most of the memory being that way, and so your inode and filename caches are going to be severely limited, and that generates a whole slew of problems for the memory allocators, and slows down many other common operations (like read/write etc).

Yes, yes, in limited use scenarios it will all still "work fine" (say, running mainly virtual machines or very specific user loads). And the extra memory will generally be better than not having it. But it's absolutely the inferior technical solution.
http://www.realworldtech.com/forum/?threadid=137844&curpostid=137999

The full post is about why LPAE on ARM was a terrible idea and ARM should have just gone straight for 64 bit instead of wasting time on it, so I've edited down the post a bit. There's plenty of other interesting stuff in there.
 

Gryz

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Thread reminds me of 2003, A64 all over again.
"Who needs more than 4GB of ram pfft gtfo!"
Better to have and not need than need and not have. :thumbsup:
I feel old

Do you not remember the change from 16-bit processors to 32-bit processors ? If you don't, then don't worry, you are not old yet.
 

scannall

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Do you not remember the change from 16-bit processors to 32-bit processors ? If you don't, then don't worry, you are not old yet.

I remember going from 8 bit to 16 bit. Applied Engineering memory cards that used bank switching to get more than 64k of ram.
 
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