Maybe we see the 64 bit fully utilized first in a Cyclone+ desktop/laptop APU + PCH first? This desktop/laptop class APU with higher drive current/higher leakage xtors than the SOC that is used in the phone and tablets.
A) Source.? Worked fine on mine the few times I had to deal with it.
B) Practically speaking, Apple's approach to this is like selling a Ferrari with V4. The infrastructure is there (ala 64Bit OS) but without the power (4+ GB of RAM), it useless and can't go faster than the competition.
The technical points of your argument are irrelevant from a consumers point of view (I.e. Mine). It's all Greek to me man.
Thank you for the pointer!
I took a quick look through the Android 4.4 source code and found that the Android graphics library uses libjpeg to decode JPEG images. This is the same library Geekbench 3 uses for its JPEG workloads. Maybe the hardware JPEG acceleration referenced in the article just relates to camera capture?
B) Practically speaking, Apple's approach to this is like selling a Ferrari with V4. The infrastructure is there (ala 64Bit OS) but without the power (4+ GB of RAM), it useless and can't go faster than the competition.
Maybe we see the 64 bit fully utilized first in a Cyclone+ desktop/laptop APU + PCH first? This desktop/laptop class APU with higher drive current/higher leakage xtors than the SOC that is used in the phone and tablets.
Maybe..
But by the time Apple launches starts using SOCs in their Desktops, the rest of the competition in ARM area, a.k.a Qualcomm, Samsung, AMD, Nvidia, etc would have caught up & launched their own 64 Bit processors. Hence, diminishing Apple's performance advantage.
Actually apple hardware is generally a cut above any of the flagship android phones. Better camera, better color gamut, better brightness. It's a better experience. It's what businesses are picking 10:1 over android.
Why is android the least secure Mobile OS? And if your hardware is so good, why not run iOS on it (or try?). Obviously android overhead is 4x what iOS had because despite half the cores at half the frequency with a third the ram of a note 3 it's still faster. Or is it all those viruses and malware that slows your phones down so much?
The technical points of your argument are irrelevant from a consumers point of view (I.e. Mine). It's all Greek to me man.
Those statements contradict each other.I personally don't like IOS & haven't used it ever so I wouldn't run it on any hardware of mine.
Heh. I've owned both Android and iOS devices (and in fact still own a Nexus 7) but much prefer the iOS experience. Usually, but not always, more slickly implemented on iOS. This is not just Apple apps, but often 3rd party apps as well.The only reason Apple is still as big it is right now is because people still buy it because its Shiny & they think its cool. While in reality, they have hardly any understanding of what they are missing.
First of all congratulations in failing to address & prove your points.:biggrin:
Now,
Better Camera :- Nokia Lumia 1020
Better color gamut, Better brightness :- LG G3.
Better experience :- Subjective, personally I couldn't use a phone that didn't allow better third party keyboards till now (Cough Cough Swiftkey) & still doesn't have a Full HD screen on their mainstream models.
Businesses picking Apple, is just ignorance based on perceived better value of Apple devices based on marketing.
IOS secure?, funny when the revolutionary fingerprint feature they introduced in their Iphone5 proved to be hackable few days after launch.
The most secure mobile OS right now is BlackBerry.
The myth that Macs & IOS don't have viruses has been debunked several times but, Ignorance is Bliss.
I personally don't like IOS & haven't used it ever so I wouldn't run it on any hardware of mine.
I don't mind people who enjoy using IOS.
I mind it when they claim that its the best & revolutionary.
Sure Apple revolutionized the phone industry a few years back, but currently they are trailing behind everybody else.
The only reason Apple is still as big it is right now is because people still buy it because its Shiny & they think its cool. While in reality, they have hardly any understanding of what they are missing.
I'm thinking the transition for Apple could happen fairly quickly. Look at Apple TV? That product is so ripe for an overhaul of some type IMO. Make it more like a Mac Mini and things get so much more interesting for iOS.
P.S. Nvidia already has their own 64 bit ARM processor.
Yes I'm sorry I'm not an autistic retard obsessed with specs, or a poor person. That's androids customer base.
You can blah blah blah all you want the fact is people who make decisions rely on intuitive, secure operations. I'm guessing you're not in a leadership position? Yeah
I mean the ARM SOC still isn't powerful enough to replace Intel processors.
Imagine running Photoshop on a MAC with ARM SOC in it.
CRINGE..
SOC is not a good idea for desktop and laptop.
The processor needs xtors with higher drive current and clockspeed capability than what is used on a phone or tablet.
Furthermore, separating cpu and gpu from pch allows a greater amount of silicon die area to be dedicated to both the cpu and gpu (while still meeting the necessary die size targets).
In a nutshell, I would expect Apple not use a SOC approach for desktop and laptop.
SOC is not a good idea for desktop and laptop.
The processor needs xtors with higher drive current and clockspeed capability than what is used on a phone or tablet.
Furthermore, separating cpu and gpu from pch allows a greater amount of silicon die area to be dedicated to both the cpu and gpu (while still meeting the necessary die size targets).
In a nutshell, I would expect Apple not use a SOC approach for desktop and laptop.
SOC is not a good idea for desktop and laptop.
The processor needs xtors with higher drive current and clockspeed capability than what is used on a phone or tablet.
Furthermore, separating cpu and gpu from pch allows a greater amount of silicon die area to be dedicated to both the cpu and gpu (while still meeting the necessary die size targets).
In a nutshell, I would expect Apple not use a SOC approach for desktop and laptop.
Sounds like an awful lot of extra work that would divert engineering resources from their high ROI mobile chip products.
No, realistically, Apple will continue to use Ax chips for iPhone/iPad, and it'll probably keep using Intel's chips for notebooks and the like.
Remember: Macs aren't high volume enough to justify doing a custom chip for. iPhone/iPad which rake in untold billions in profits are.
My point is apple backed their claims up and I don't think anybody would say ARMv8 is a "gimmick".
The technical points of your argument are irrelevant from a consumers point of view (I.e. Mine). It's all Greek to me man.
That's what I'm now wondering as well given that further searching yielded a number of people asking the question of how to use hardware jpeg encoding/decoding, but no answers. Still, it seems a very peculiar statement to have made since image capture should have been using dedicated hardware for jpeg for quite some time, no?
You are arguing semantics. You need 64 bit to run 64bit OS to address >4GB
The same limitation was in XP
Oh please. You guys have been saying that for years. You're paying $650+ for $150 worth of hardware, plain and simple.
Isn't that kinda of a bogus reason to overpay for a phone? Because people who buy Apple desktops get the OS for free now.
First of all congratulations in failing to address & prove your points.:biggrin:
Now,
Better Camera :- Nokia Lumia 1020
Better color gamut, Better brightness :- LG G3.( I don't care about Brightness as long as it isn't way below competitors. Everybody knows the G3 has the best screen out of all phones on market right now.)
The myth that Macs & IOS don't have viruses has been debunked several times but, Ignorance is Bliss.
I personally don't like IOS & haven't used it ever so I wouldn't run it on any hardware of mine.
Oh yes, the billions of dollars of research which led to a low-end phone with "new" features that every high-end phone. That level of innovation must have been so expensive.You're also paying for billions of dollars of research which no other company has.
That makes sense; it isn't apples to apples.[...]
That's the brief explanation of why BK's quote from last year regarding density is quite easy to believe: "If you take a look at things like transistor density and you compare, pardon the pun, apples-to-apples and you compare, say, the A7 to our Bay Trail, which is a high density 22 nanometer technology, then our transistor density is higher or more dense than the A7 is."
By people you mean, YOU who makes decisions based on his own thoughts ignoring contradicting hard facts.
I am a college student, but I did manage a medium sized Retail store this summer.
Fancy that.
Your perceptions are WRONG, AGAIN.
EDIT:-
Also, I'm done talking to the Wall.
Peace out.
And I also don't want to further contribute to making this an Apple vs Android thread anymore.
EDit 2: Interesting Edit fellow forum member. I'll leave this in place here so people can see what you've done.
That makes sense; it isn't apples to apples.
But really, this is much ado about nothing. A higher density is in fact worse if you can't appropriately reduce power consumption, which 20nm clearly can't. Regarding cost per transistor, 14nm is clearly much superior because 20nm stays flat compared to 28nm.