Just remember though iDevices do exceptionally well in JavaScript tests like Kraken because Apple optimizes the hell out of Safari
Just remember though iDevices do exceptionally well in JavaScript tests like Kraken because Apple optimizes the hell out of Safari. Great for the iOS browsing experience, but not great for cross platform comparisons... except for JavaScript.
As evidence of that, as I've illustrated with the test result I posted with A8X, the results improve dramatically with each iOS version release using the exact same SoC.
OTOH it's good for intra-platform comparisons. A9 does exceptionally well when compared to A8(X). Impressive generational improvement.
Oh and congrats on getting your 6s already.
Are imported_stingerman and imported_ats the same person?
Yes & no, check out the sunspider results above that.Tell me about it:
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/3559663
MacBook Pro 2009 13" 2.26 GHz
Single-core 1279
Multi-core 2321
However, this just reaffirms my belief that these benches are not very useful cross platform.
Also, those are 32-bit results. I believe if you run 64-bit it'd be faster for Geekbench.
First it was Geekbench, now its Kraken. 1700ms in Kraken 1.1 rivals the Core M in Yoga 3 Pro. Now, this is for the A9. Core i7 5600U gets 1173ms. Core i5 5200U gets 1660ms. That means A9X is probably going to beat the Core i5 5200U.
The scores suggest in Kraken, the Core M performs quite close to U chips since its a light and short benchmark. It seems that Intel designed the Core M to be "ARM competitor Core chip", except they aren't doing such a good job at it and ends up being a bad PC chip.
This is quite amazing. A 15W Core i7 is only 25-30% faster than A9X. Skylake is going to add 10% to that.
If this turns out to be true in more tests, I see a harsh wind blow against Intel for which will start their decline, and they won't have a Pentium M style fallback to save them this time.
*sigh* When will they implement a proper memory controller with random IO optimizations.
This is one of the reasons why the A7/A8/A9 are benchmark monsters but fall behind in real world tasks (relative to where you would expect them to be). Also why silvermont does so well in PCmark and 3dmark physics.
Cherry picking simple web browser benchmarks and inventing power consumption numbers out of thin air? Confirmation bias.
You're welcome to claim cherry picking benchmarks, but the following is, I think, very informative:
This compares the fastest retina Macbook (1.3GHz Broadwell Core M), and the fastest Geekbench score I could find (so presumably running at maximum turbo) to an iPhone 6S.
https://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/2602578?baseline=3515465
I think it's remarkable just how close they are across the board; also interesting is how similar the memory scores are. (You can see this both in the Stream scores, and in the various benchmarks that are memory limited, which are the ones where MacBook and iPhone are pretty much identical; eg the FFTs or Sharpen and Blur.)
This is interesting because in earlier Apple chips the uncore (ie the caches and memory subsystem) were notably inferior to Apple, and the usual doubters were insisting that, OK, Apple can make a quality core but they don't have the years of expertise to make a quality memory subsystem.
(I expect the next argument to be "OK, Apple can make a good memory subsystem, but they don't have the years of experience to make a decent multi-core system that shares the cache well between multiple cores, offers fast atomics and locks, and everything else a multicore system needs for optimal multi-threaded performance...)
I'd say this shows that A9 is definitely comparable to Broadwell-Y; when A9X comes out, I expect we'll see that comparable to the best Broadwell-U's in the highest end MacBook Air.
Apple is the richest and most profitable technology company in the world. It's brand is gold, and its products are iconic.
Why is anybody surprised that they could invest in developing world class chips?
they're not event hat special, they're simply not managed like crap like their competitorsApple is the richest and most profitable technology company in the world. It's brand is gold, and its products are iconic.
Why is anybody surprised that they could invest in developing world class chips?
they're not event hat special, they're simply not managed like crap like their competitors
Apple already owns 10% of Imagination Technologies.Yeah, this is exactly how I feel about it. With as much disposable cash as they have lying around, I would not at all be surprised to see them designing a replacement chip for their desktops and laptops and cutting out Intel entirely.
What would really be mindblowing is if they started working on GPUs as well, cutting out NVIDIA and AMD.
An Apple iMac running an Apple CPU and GPU and performing better than an Intel processor and NVIDIA / AMD GPU would really be a sight to see.
Talk about coming full circle.
they're not event hat special
Chipworks says the die size of the A9 is 94 mm2, which isn't bad given the performance increase compared to the A8 which was 89 mm2 (on TSMC 20)
They seem to think the sample they have is from Samsung, but they are not totally sure.
Apple's financial results would disagree with you.
Having good financial results and having something special are two different things. Tesla has something special, but they're still in the red financially. Exxon doesn't really have anything special, but their financials are great.
Or rather, that 3dmark physics is closest thing to a real world benchmark that's ever regularly tested. Apple's broken useless Geekbench and the js tests, but not yet 3dmark.We have seen, in ever Apple CPU since the A6, that the CPU performs spectacularly on real world apps, and on EVERY benchmark except "3dmark physics".
Don't you think that suggests more that "3dmark physics" is a somehow a very broken benchmark than that there is some massive flaw in the Apple CPUs that is invisible to all circumstances except this one special benchmark?
Or rather, that 3dmark physics is closest thing to a real world benchmark that's ever regularly tested. Apple's broken useless Geekbench and the js tests, but not yet 3dmark.