Apple admits to intentionally slow down your iphone

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mrochester

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I disagree. If the phone has issues shutting off, the person would know its the battery and can pursue replacement which is much cheaper than a new phone. If the phone is acting slow, people are being misled into thinking the phone itself is going bad, so the idea of a battery replacement is never there. This makes Apple more money. It's a deceitful, greedy move.

Who is misleading people?
 

Red Storm

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Who is misleading people?
Apple. The process of extending the life of the battery by downclocking is not automatically bad, what is bad is doing it behind the back of the user. If they gave the user a notification that their battery was degrading and performance would be reduced to compensate, then all is good because the user knows what's up and can make the best decision for themselves. Instead, Apple does it without notifying people, and to the average user, when their iPhone starts acting slow, they have no reason to suspect the battery.
 

mrochester

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Apple. The process of extending the life of the battery by downclocking is not automatically bad, what is bad is doing it behind the back of the user. If they gave the user a notification that their battery was degrading and performance would be reduced to compensate, then all is good because the user knows what's up and can make the best decision for themselves. Instead, Apple does it without notifying people, and to the average user, when their iPhone starts acting slow, they have no reason to suspect the battery.

So it’s the user who thinks they understand what is happening but in fact doesn’t?
 

mrochester

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Due to Apple's misdirection, yes.

Ok great so we’ve agreed it’s the user who misleads themselves into believing they need a new phone. Not sure why anyone thinks it is Apple who are telling people they need new phone. Apple are just making users phones last longer.
 

WelshBloke

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Ok great so we’ve agreed it’s the user who misleads themselves into believing they need a new phone. Not sure why anyone thinks it is Apple who are telling people they need new phone. Apple are just making users phones last longer.
Wut?

Apple are changing the device for the worst after you have purchased it.

It's like taking your car in for a service and the mechanic disconnects two of your spark plugs to increase your MPG without telling you.
 

mrochester

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Wut?

Apple are changing the device for the worst after you have purchased it.

It's like taking your car in for a service and the mechanic disconnects two of your spark plugs to increase your MPG without telling you.

Huh? Apple are changing it for the better. The alternative is your device simply shutting down.
 

mrochester

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If it's shutting down they should be replacing them.

Not when it’s the battery that’s causing the shut down. Batteries are perishable items and need replacing every so often. With this action, Apple are simply making people’s phones last longer than they otherwise would.
 

WelshBloke

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Not when it’s the battery that’s causing the shut down. Batteries are perishable items and need replacing every so often. With this action, Apple are simply making people’s phones last longer than they otherwise would.
Shutting down with degraded batteries isnt normal behavior and its a fault that was intrinsic to the device when sold. In the EU you'd probably be able to argue for a free fix for that for 5 years
 

mrochester

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Shutting down with degraded batteries isnt normal behavior and its a fault that was intrinsic to the device when sold. In the EU you'd probably be able to argue for a free fix for that for 5 years

I doubt it because batteries are perishable items and Apple cannot defy the laws of physics, no matter how much people expect them to be able to. Apple have already rectified the issue by this very action.
 

WelshBloke

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I doubt it because batteries are perishable items and Apple cannot defy the laws of physics, no matter how much people expect them to be able to. Apple have already rectified the issue by this very action.
Batteries are perishable, but the expected and usual behavior of a degraded battery is less up time not random shutdowns.
 

mrochester

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Only if you have a phone where they have obviously pushed the clock speed of the SOC too high for sustained performance.

The SOC will sustain that performance as long as you have a battery in good condition. It seems silly to design phones for knackered old batteries. Just replace the battery or expect slower performance.
 

WelshBloke

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The SOC will sustain that performance as long as you have a battery in good condition. It seems silly to design phones for knackered old batteries. Just replace the battery or expect slower performance.
So you're saying that Iphones are disposable items and are only expected to work as advertised for a year or so?
 

FIVR

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Apple should not have done this. At least, they should have put in a setting wherein you could switch between battery saving and full performance.


They had the right idea when they engineered the phone to last the longest possible time, but Apple should've known that this would fuel lawsuits and trolls to no end if it was ever discovered, and they should've known that it would eventually be discovered.

If people want to sacrifice battery life for peak theoretical performance that should be up to them.
 

mrochester

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So you're saying that Iphones are disposable items and are only expected to work as advertised for a year or so?

No the batteries are disposable. The phone itself will last for many many years.

Even phones with knackered batteries will last longer now thanks to this feature Apple have introduced.
 

WelshBloke

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No the batteries are disposable. The phone itself will last for many many years.

Even phones with knackered batteries will last longer now thanks to this feature Apple have introduced.

By gimping the CPU speed. You shouldn't advertise something at a speed then after a year make it significantly crapper.
 

mrochester

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By gimping the CPU speed. You shouldn't advertise something at a speed then after a year make it significantly crapper.

The speed will only slow when your battery degrades to the point where it can't deliver the power output required. And that happens because batteries degrade over time. After you've replaced the battery, the phone will perform in the same way as it did when new.

I hope you now understand the situation.
 

scannall

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By gimping the CPU speed. You shouldn't advertise something at a speed then after a year make it significantly crapper.
Until you replace your failing battery, then all your speed comes back. I'd also add, that even slowed down for a failing battery it is *still* faster then anything else on the market.
 

WelshBloke

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The speed will only slow when your battery degrades to the point where it can't deliver the power output required. And that happens because batteries degrade over time. After you've replaced the battery, the phone will perform in the same way as it did when new.

I hope you now understand the situation.
Are apple offering free replacement batteries for the life of the device then? Because they have sold something with a certain description, they shouldn't be able to change that description after they have your money.
 

mrochester

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Are apple offering free replacement batteries for the life of the device then? Because they have sold something with a certain description, they shouldn't be able to change that description after they have your money.

Why would they offer free replacements for life? We all know batteries degrade over time and will effect the performance of our devices. That’s just the reality of battery tech I’m afraid.
 
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WelshBloke

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Why would they offer free replacements for life? We all know batteries degrade over time and will effect the performance of our devices. That’s just the reality of battery tech I’m afraid.
Well because they are selling something with a certain description. You dont get to change that description after the sale. I dont remember Apple ever saying that they would half the performance of your phone if your battery wore down, I'd be happy for you to pull something up by them saying so if I'm wrong.
 
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