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deathBOB

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I have no problem with what you're saying. If you're saying that a B&M retailer not carrying the Nexus 7 is dramatically prohibiting sales, that's fine. That's your opinion and your entitled to it.

What I took issue with was the comment that Apple bitched and moaned to BB and threatened to pull all of their products and that's WHY BB isn't selling the Nexus 7. It's also something you had absolutely no evidence for yet you were throwing it around like it was fact.

Fact: BestBuy doesn't sell the Nexus 7
Rumor: BestBuy doesn't sell the Nexus 7 because Apple bitched and moaned about the possibility of them carrying it

Hey man, if the teenager working at Best Buy said so, it must be true.

I predict this will KILL other tablets.
 
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you cleary missed the point and Im not even going to attempt to explain it to you.

Hint bestbuy mobile is not bestbuy,they sell what the carriers sell,bestbuy sells what ever it wants and yes if verizon had a nexus with 4g bestbuy mobile would have to carry it.

what you seem to keep over looking is that bestbuy choosed to never even have the device in its stores or on there site,witch hurts sales to your post about low nexus sales and me telling you the biggest electronics brick and motor store dont sell it.


GET IT?
Look, you seem to make it sound like Best Buy is a make or break for the Nexus 7. Like other more educated folks have said:

Fact: Best Buy doesn't carry the Nexus 7.
Rumor: Based on some stupid post you showed us, Best Buy doesn't carry the Nexus 7 because Apple bitched and moaned.

Furthermore, can you show me any objective evidence that would the Nexus 7 sales going through the roof it it were sold at Best Buy? Do you expect that 1 million to turn into 20 million?

Do you even understand the position of the Nexus 7? It shows Google re-engaging the tablet world, but it's overall a retreat. Google realized it cannot compete with the iPad heads up and it would instead compete on the budget market with a small tablet. Engineering-wise, they could've launched a 10 inch flagship tablet back then EASILY. Why not? It just wouldn't do that well. You act like the Nexus 7 was some iPad killer or something. Fact is we've talked about iPhone/iPad killer for years, and the real iPhone killer to date is probably this year's lineup of HTC and Samsung and LG phones. iPad killer? Not found.
 

Red Storm

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It's cool, but now aren't we more in to subjective matters as opposed to benchmarking?

I'm not really sure why we even got into benchmarking, jpeyton was originally talking about the UI and how limited/rigid it is in iOS. No amount of benchmarking makes up for the lack of customization of both form and function...
 
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I'm not really sure why we even got into benchmarking, jpeyton was originally talking about the UI and how limited/rigid it is in iOS. No amount of benchmarking makes up for the lack of customization of both form and function...

UI = form. Function = apps. The top of the line apps for iOS make it more functional. There see how easy that is?
 

bearxor

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I'm not really sure why we even got into benchmarking, jpeyton was originally talking about the UI and how limited/rigid it is in iOS. No amount of benchmarking makes up for the lack of customization of both form and function...

Let's see how this conversation has evolved, I'm totally paraphrasing these:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34142980&postcount=227
You can customize Android...
"I'd rather have my mobile operating system take full advantage of my 2012 hardware."

Reply: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34145983&postcount=240
iOS takes better advatage of hardware than Android (I dont necessarily agree with this comment, but there it is).

reply: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34146087&postcount=242
No it doesn't

reply: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34146166&postcount=245
Yes it does, and the GS3 basically loses any test against the Phone 5

reply: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34146188&postcount=247
Here's a video where they are basically tied

reply: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34147926&postcount=252
Here's a different video where the iPhone 5 is clearly the winner

reply: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34147926&postcount=254
Here's a video with why this guy thinks the GS3 is better even though his video showed the iPhone 5 might be faster

reply: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34148790&postcount=255
That's nice, but isn't this more subjective?

reply: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34148805&postcount=256
Why the fuck aren't we talking about the same thing we were talking about 30 posts ago?!?!

That was kind of fun to put together, actually.
 

Red Storm

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UI = form. Function = apps. The top of the line apps for iOS make it more functional. There see how easy that is?

Nobody is talking about apps. We're talking about being stuck with the old grid of icons in iOS. It debuted on the iPhone 1 and it hasn't changed much since. Why do I have to go into settings just to toggle stuff like wifi or bluetooth? Why do I have to launch an app to turn on my "flashlight"? Why can't I have gesture shortcuts and all these things so that I can speed up accessing the various things on my phone? As I said in iOS your home screen is basically an app drawer and that's it.

The form (grid of icons) and function (lack of gesture and widget controls) and the stagnation of iOS in this area is what we're talking about.
 

jpeyton

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It's cool, but now aren't we more in to subjective matters as opposed to benchmarking?
I see about a dozen features that take advantage of the GS3's horsepower and hardware (cameras, microphones, sensors, gyroscopes, etc.).

If you're going to reduce the entire comparison down to who can load the NYTimes faster, than the iPhone 5 wins.
 

MrX8503

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You must haven't seen how the iPhone uses the A6 to capture great low light pics.

Not sure what this "take advantage of hardware" spiel is, but the iPhone 5 is faster. That's not subjective.
 

ControlD

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So the iPhone 5 somehow magically uses the processor to bypass the laws of optics? Damn that is amazing.
 

Mopetar

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And? It is a better camera with faster and better optics. I'm still looking for where the A6 has anything to do with it.

The SoC has some dedicated image processing hardware built-in that allow it to produce better pictures. Having better sensors and a better lens definitely improves performance, but it's a digital camera, so the processing capability behind those parts plays a role as well.

For some of those tasks, doing it on a general CPU would be massively time consuming or horribly inefficient. Building in some custom hardware to handle those workloads can go a long way to improving quality.
 
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And? It is a better camera with faster and better optics. I'm still looking for where the A6 has anything to do with it.

why does Canon advertise its Digic processors? It's important in image processing. Not only does processing power allow you better image quality, but it allows you faster shooting speeds and also helps processing power as your megapixels go up.
 

ControlD

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why does Canon advertise its Digic processors? It's important in image processing. Not only does processing power allow you better image quality, but it allows you faster shooting speeds and also helps processing power as your megapixels go up.

That is true. I guess that fantastic processing must be what gives those pictures such a wonderful purple glow as well.

It's a silly argument anyhow. I have yet to use a phone that takes a picture worth a damn and I doubt the iPhone 5 is much different.
 

Mopetar

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It's a silly argument anyhow. I have yet to use a phone that takes a picture worth a damn and I doubt the iPhone 5 is much different.

It's a moving target. The digital cameras in phones you can get now are probably better than stand-alone digital cameras from arbitrary number of years ago. However, stand-alone cameras aren't standing still. The image quality that they're capable of is also getting a lot better.

Phone cameras are always going to be worse than stand-alone cameras. However, eventually we'll just hit a point where it doesn't matter for most people in most cases. We may have already reached that point, or if nothing else cameras in phones have allowed more people to take pictures who weren't previously inclined to do so, either because they didn't want a camera or didn't want to take it everywhere with them.

I still use a stand-alone camera for taking photos if I'm traveling, but the rest of the time, a phone's camera is more than good enough.
 

ControlD

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It's a moving target. The digital cameras in phones you can get now are probably better than stand-alone digital cameras from arbitrary number of years ago. However, stand-alone cameras aren't standing still. The image quality that they're capable of is also getting a lot better.

Phone cameras are always going to be worse than stand-alone cameras. However, eventually we'll just hit a point where it doesn't matter for most people in most cases. We may have already reached that point, or if nothing else cameras in phones have allowed more people to take pictures who weren't previously inclined to do so, either because they didn't want a camera or didn't want to take it everywhere with them.

I still use a stand-alone camera for taking photos if I'm traveling, but the rest of the time, a phone's camera is more than good enough.

I agree with you 100%. A cell phone camera is a very handy thing to have and they are certainly worlds better than even a couple of years ago. Still, I am sure not going to rely on my 4S to capture my important photos, it simply isn't anywhere good enough for that.
 
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blastingcap

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I get what you are trying to say, but this is what I hear: if someone told me that they don't actively use facebook, I would be MORE interested to talk to them, whereas you'd treat them like a leper.

Imho, that's just sad to be Facebook lemmings, and I think it's more to do with youth than ethnicity. From what I've seen, most of the casual facebooking and photo sharing and TMI crap gets really old for us comparative old-timers who have been through Friendster and Myspace and Facebook and know what life was like before any of those things. Imho, it's absurd to collect hundreds or even thousands of passing acquaintanceships and give up your privacy so freely to FB and people you hardly know.

To modify the old joke: Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies. Facebook friends just help you move the time playing Farmville or whatever.

Maybe it's the demographics I deal with? I think Asians tend to be on Facebook more. Social networking is huge in Asia. Maybe it's that my college was 50% Asian. After going out with friends and meeting new friends, you can guarantee you get a Facebook invite afterwards. After going out and taking pics, you can guarantee those pics are making it on Facebook.

Look, I know not everyone comes from the same time period, but that's how things were done when I was in college. But yes, I notice Asians in general tend to be on Facebook far more than caucasians or any other ethnic group. But given the environment I was in, yeah, it's an anomaly if you didn't have a Facebook account. I'm not saying it's a guaranteed sign of weirdness, but it does raise some flags. It's like if Engadget was in the market for hiring a writer, and an applicant says "Sorry I don't have a cell phone # to give you," it certainly raises flags. The stereotypical Engadget writer must have like 5 phones and 3 laptops probably...
 

Oyeve

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I get what you are trying to say, but this is what I hear: if someone told me that they don't actively use facebook, I would be MORE interested to talk to them, whereas you'd treat them like a leper.

Imho, that's just sad to be Facebook lemmings, and I think it's more to do with youth than ethnicity. From what I've seen, most of the casual facebooking and photo sharing and TMI crap gets really old for us comparative old-timers who have been through Friendster and Myspace and Facebook and know what life was like before any of those things. Imho, it's absurd to collect hundreds or even thousands of passing acquaintanceships and give up your privacy so freely to FB and people you hardly know.

To modify the old joke: Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies. Facebook friends just help you move the time playing Farmville or whatever.

Qft
 

pm

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I get what you are trying to say, but this is what I hear: if someone told me that they don't actively use facebook, I would be MORE interested to talk to them, whereas you'd treat them like a leper.

Imho, that's just sad to be Facebook lemmings, and I think it's more to do with youth than ethnicity. From what I've seen, most of the casual facebooking and photo sharing and TMI crap gets really old for us comparative old-timers who have been through Friendster and Myspace and Facebook and know what life was like before any of those things. Imho, it's absurd to collect hundreds or even thousands of passing acquaintanceships and give up your privacy so freely to FB and people you hardly know.

To modify the old joke: Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies. Facebook friends just help you move the time playing Farmville or whatever.

That is a good post.

Although, it's depressing because I'm not sure I have any real friends. I'm not even sure my wife counts as a real friend under that definition.
 
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