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RampantAndroid

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People haven't used Sync recently if they mount the "touch screen while driving" argument.

The touch screen in my C-Max simply doesn't function if the car is in motion. And you don't need to use it anyway. First off, everything has the same physical buttons as you'd have anyway, but better still voice commands handle most everything and work extremely well. Frankly, I find it the only setup worthy of being modern 2014 technology. Car systems are mostly still stuck in 1994 or something. It's pretty pathetic. The system in a friend's new BMW made me laugh the other day... I thought I was back in the 90's. Really? This much for a car and the electronics still suck this hard?

I've long said it; Apple should get into this businesses because clearly SOMEONE needs to set a decent standard other than Microsoft. If there's anyone that could whip everyone in line and bring car tech forward to where it should already be, it's Apple.

Looks like possibly they agree.

Go use a new ford car, because you clearly haven't

The fusion I used had a touchscreen that worked when driving, and to turn on something like the heated seats...oh, there's no dedicated button. It's buried 2 menus deep in mytouch. It was a giant sack of crap.

As for systems being stuck in 94...I don't know which BMW you used, but some of them are actually pretty decent. Hell of a lot more car under the hood, engine stops when the car stops, driving modes and all that.
 

Zaap

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Go use a new ford car, because you clearly haven't

The fusion I used had a touchscreen that worked when driving, and to turn on something like the heated seats...oh, there's no dedicated button. It's buried 2 menus deep in mytouch. It was a giant sack of crap.

As for systems being stuck in 94...I don't know which BMW you used, but some of them are actually pretty decent. Hell of a lot more car under the hood, engine stops when the car stops, driving modes and all that.

My C-Max has dedicated buttons for even the heated seats.

No idea what clunker you're used to that you're going by, but its ironic that you're posing having driven a newer one and don't know the options.

My guess is if you actually drove a fusion you were so busy raging at the touchscreen you simply didn't look elsewhere because I bet the 2014 has the same:
 
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RampantAndroid

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Good for you. I test drove a 2014 and considered it a backup option so I took the test drive pretty seriously, even if the ford dealership wasn't very willing to help me since I was not buying THAT NIGHT (seriously, I wanted to test drive and they initially refused to let me test drive one after I answered no to the question "The only one with AWD we have is this gray one, would you be OK buying this one?")



That's a 2013. The 14 was slightly changed, but still lacking any buttons for things like heated seats. Touchscreen only, and the screen worked while driving.

But we're also talking about the Ford who only puts HIDs on the hybrid Fusions, but not on the regular Fusions (another reason I didn't buy. I'm not going to spend days making my own hid mountings or live without - they're a safety feature to me. Also, the salesman was CONVINCED it had HIDs. I had to open the Ford sales book on the Fusion packages to show him it was only projector halogens.)
 
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Zaap

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The SE version up has dedicated buttons for nearly everything including heated seats.

Personally I wouldn't want a newer Ford that wasn't a Hybrid. I have the '13 C-Max Energi plug in hybrid. It has dedicated buttons for just about everything. In fact one of the big reviewer complaints about Ford interiors is almost too many buttons.

Honestly I doubt I'll ever even use the heated seat buttons... its kind of a dumb feature to me, but then I suppose I'd feel differently if I didn't live in socal where the need for your car to keep your ass warm is practically nil.
 

RampantAndroid

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The SE version up has dedicated buttons for nearly everything including heated seats.

Personally I wouldn't want a newer Ford that wasn't a Hybrid. I have the '13 C-Max Energi plug in hybrid. It has dedicated buttons for just about everything. In fact one of the big reviewer complaints about Ford interiors is almost too many buttons.

Honestly I doubt I'll ever even use the heated seat buttons... its kind of a dumb feature to me, but then I suppose I'd feel differently if I didn't live in socal where the need for your car to keep your ass warm is practically nil.

I absolutely disagree with any reviewer who says too many buttons most of the time. My A4 is FULL of buttons....but it's because for every feature in the infotainment system (heated seats, fan speed, temp and so forth) I have a hard button to press to accomplish the task I want in addition to using the on screen controls.

The SE Fusion doesn't have the touch screen. The Titanium does. The reason I want buttons is that I can FEEL for them. I can learn where they are. They're not contextual, nor do they move location. They're always in the same place and do the same thing. I go into the mountains often for skiing, snowshoeing, night sky photos and so forth. So I often reach for the heated seats. Or the defroster. Or the next track button.

Long story short: your experience with your CMAX is one thing. You cannot make broad declarations like "People haven't used Sync recently if they mount the "touch screen while driving" argument." and apply it to all cars when your knowledge isn't complete.
 

sxr7171

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I have had two QNX based cars (TSX and A4) and BOTH have had SERIOUS issues requiring reboots. Sync has been so much better in my experience, and I regret getting another card with QNX in it.

I rented a car with Sync. Pretty impressive.
 

sxr7171

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I absolutely disagree with any reviewer who says too many buttons most of the time. My A4 is FULL of buttons....but it's because for every feature in the infotainment system (heated seats, fan speed, temp and so forth) I have a hard button to press to accomplish the task I want in addition to using the on screen controls.

The SE Fusion doesn't have the touch screen. The Titanium does. The reason I want buttons is that I can FEEL for them. I can learn where they are. They're not contextual, nor do they move location. They're always in the same place and do the same thing. I go into the mountains often for skiing, snowshoeing, night sky photos and so forth. So I often reach for the heated seats. Or the defroster. Or the next track button.

Long story short: your experience with your CMAX is one thing. You cannot make broad declarations like "People haven't used Sync recently if they mount the "touch screen while driving" argument." and apply it to all cars when your knowledge isn't complete.

A4 is fine, if you want to see excessive buttons look at an infiniti interior.
 

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Besides having the icons on the cars infotainment display whats the difference between this and siri eyes free?
 

Legios

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I work at a Mercedes dealership, I should take some pics of the cars they have with the "ipad" experience installed.
 

Zaap

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Long story short: your experience with your CMAX is one thing. You cannot make broad declarations like "People haven't used Sync recently if they mount the "touch screen while driving" argument." and apply it to all cars when your knowledge isn't complete.
You're just shifting goalposts like crazy. These features aren't free. The same options are available on the Fusion and other Ford models- you're the one making proclamations that x isn't available any other way but through the touch screen, when clearly that's not true.

Also you of course skirted the point- you can use voice commands which are the best option of all anyway. I find voice to be more reliable than either, certainly while driving. You can control pretty much all the features that really matter. Warming your butt, well, I guess you need the right model and options package if that's so high on your priorities list.
 

RampantAndroid

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You're just shifting goalposts like crazy. These features aren't free. The same options are available on the Fusion and other Ford models- you're the one making proclamations that x isn't available any other way but through the touch screen, when clearly that's not true.

Also you of course skirted the point- you can use voice commands which are the best option of all anyway. I find voice to be more reliable than either, certainly while driving. You can control pretty much all the features that really matter. Warming your butt, well, I guess you need the right model and options package if that's so high on your priorities list.

What? No, I didn't change the goalposts. You said that the touchscreen doesn't work when driving. I said it did in the Fusion I drove, and there was no button for the heated seats. You showed a picture of a car that wasn't a fusion as evidence I was wrong. You said things like "My guess is if you actually drove a fusion" without ACTUAL evidence. You owned yourself.

As for voice commands, those are GREAT if you're alone. They suck if you're deep in conversation. "Hold on, I want my butt to be warm, shut up so I can use sync to make it happen." Give me a break.
 

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I think the lack of any responses to this thread succinctly summarizes the lack of enthusiasm about CarPlay.

Or those that can't afford the new high end vehicles.

I have heard a lot of cannon fodder about it by people driving a vehicle without even iPod integration.

People tend to hate the iPhone it seems and Apple.
 

alkemyst

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The main thing I hate about Siri is that there isn't a dedicated button for it. Maybe they'll change that in a future iPhone.

There is a roaming home button that gives you a two touch method to it.

I have no need for Siri though.
 

Zaap

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What? No, I didn't change the goalposts. You said that the touchscreen doesn't work when driving. I said it did in the Fusion I drove, and there was no button for the heated seats. You showed a picture of a car that wasn't a fusion as evidence I was wrong. You said things like "My guess is if you actually drove a fusion" without ACTUAL evidence. You owned yourself.

As for voice commands, those are GREAT if you're alone. They suck if you're deep in conversation. "Hold on, I want my butt to be warm, shut up so I can use sync to make it happen." Give me a break.
I see you're still flailing around like a crazy person.

You're not good at following things are you?

YOU brought up buttons. I was talking about voice commands.

YOU were wrong about new Fords not having buttons for heated seats (your own derail by the way not mine). New Fords DO have those buttons including the Fusion you just can't seem to grasp that these are part of OPTIONS packages, not something you get with the base model. How obvious is that?

Now back to flailing around blindly with you.
 

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Make an aftermarket double din head unit with it and I'll buy. It's pretty much exactly what I was looking for it to be. Something simple and minimal that essentially just pulled over the stuff from the phone. Only thing i'd like is if they would allow google maps but I'm not holding my breath on that one.
 

RampantAndroid

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YOU were wrong about new Fords not having buttons for heated seats (your own derail by the way not mine). New Fords DO have those buttons including the Fusion you just can't seem to grasp that these are part of OPTIONS packages, not something you get with the base model. How obvious is that?

Let's make this simple for you, since you have reading comprehension issues:
Car has MyFord Touch, it has no buttons for some functionality because you're expected to do it through the touch screen. You accused me of not driving a Fusion. I did, and I'm talking facts here. You're not.

I never said this was how the base model worked. I've ALWAYS talked about MyFord Touch. I have never said anything about the base model, I've been talking about Ford's shitty vision for what car infotainment systems should look like going forward.

The fusion I used had a touchscreen that worked when driving, and to turn on something like the heated seats...oh, there's no dedicated button. It's buried 2 menus deep in mytouch. It was a giant sack of crap.

its ironic that you're posing having driven a newer one and don't know the options.

You're the one who accused me of posing.

As for voice, let's see how well it works when you have kids screaming in the back seat. Oh, it'll work as well as Siri does now...which means it won't. Voice has it's own issues. It's great when there's no ambient noise in the car, but the second there IS ambient noise of some form, it will run into issues until there's a serious jump in audio processing to isolate specific voices and ignore others.
 
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RampantAndroid

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Make an aftermarket double din head unit with it and I'll buy. It's pretty much exactly what I was looking for it to be. Something simple and minimal that essentially just pulled over the stuff from the phone. Only thing i'd like is if they would allow google maps but I'm not holding my breath on that one.

I have serious doubts this will happen - someone like Alpine would have to get a license to use the interface from Apple...and I doubt this will happen.
 

Zaap

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Let's make this simple for you, since you have reading comprehension issues:
Car has MyFord Touch, it has no buttons for some functionality because you're expected to do it through the touch screen. You accused me of not driving a Fusion. I did, and I'm talking facts here. You're not.
Your problem is you do "simple" but you don't do "comprehend anything that's actually said".

You mouthed off about "Driving a new Ford" and then ranted about a damned heated seat button, and I told you what's an absolute fact: You clearly didn't know what options are available. The Fusion DOES have the option to have a button for the heated seats. That you're not able to grasp that and get the option you want and have to rant over something you want not being in the model you drove- that's your stupid problem, not Ford's.

How obvious is it- if a button for a heated seat is so damned important to you- GET the model and the options package that has that! It IS available.

I've ALWAYS talked about MyFord Touch.
Your ranting about buttons has virtually NOTHING to do with MyFord Touch, and everything to do with you not even understanding something as simple as an options package on vehicles.

As for voice, let's see how well it works when you have kids screaming in the back seat. Oh, it'll work as well as Siri does now...which means it won't. Voice has it's own issues. It's great when there's no ambient noise in the car, but the second there IS ambient noise of some form, it will run into issues until there's a serious jump in audio processing to isolate specific voices and ignore others.
Nice try coming up with silly hypotheticals, but I've used voice commands just fine with kids in my car, my wife, friends, etc.

And you still can't seem to understand that the car has BOTH. I have buttons also for just about every function. (Turn off your 'simple' mode for a second and let that sink in)

So while you're raging over touchscreens, I'm talking about TWO other ways besides using the touchscreen for controls- voice, and buttons. But see, I was able to understand what an options package was and get the car that actually had the features I wanted.

Next up: you can rant and rave about CarPlay and how much it must suck, after flailing around in a model that doesn't have it!
 

boomhower

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I have serious doubts this will happen - someone like Alpine would have to get a license to use the interface from Apple...and I doubt this will happen.

Because it's not worth the trouble or because Apple wouldn't allow it? I can certainly see a market for it.
 

RampantAndroid

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The Fusion DOES have the option to have a button for the heated seats.

No, it doesn't. It has an option that does not include the touch interface (read, DOES NOT INCLUDE NAV) which uses buttons instead, and that's an important distinction The nav version of the car means you get touch, means you lose most of your buttons. Heated seats were the simplest example.

I cannot stress this enough: my complaint is about touch screens. You warped this into insulting me and claiming I was lying.

For that, you win troll of the thread and an ignore.

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/06/17/myford-touch-getting-buttons-and-knobs-back-to-counter-criticism/
 

RampantAndroid

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Because it's not worth the trouble or because Apple wouldn't allow it? I can certainly see a market for it.

I'm betting that it'll require more than most head units can offer in terms of requirements, and/or they'll sign an exclusivity agreement.
 

FeuerFrei

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For years I've been wishing Apple would delve into car audio and design a head unit from the ground up. Not that I'm interested in Apple products, but I'd like to see the industry turned on its head so maybe we'd see more simple and user friendly units.

CarPlay is not what I had in mind, but at least Apple's showing interest.
 
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