Apple busted resizing images again.....

[Pliablemoose]

http://www.computerworlduk.com/news...es-inaccurate-evidence-in-dutch-samsung-case/

I wish to hell they'd pay attention to this crap.

 

[cheezy321]

wow. One picture in one single filing could be a mistake, but now they are caught twice? This doesn't look too good.

 

[darkewaffle]

I hate how they manipulate the UI as well. Yea sure you can make it look like iOS if you want, but that's kind of the point, you're fairly free to make it look however you want.

 

[Oyeve]

Wow. I guess they should throw this out of court.

 

[Wonderful Pork]

How often are an iphone & samsung shown next to each other?

If I were a lawyer (and I'm not) my argument would be that they look nearly the same with the launcher (or whatever for Android) up. The pictures were just resized to put it into perspective since the customer rarely sees the 2 next to each other and they wouldn't notice the 1/4" height difference or whatever.

That said, I would have been up front about the resizing (and if they purposely made the side view angle and icon arrangement the same) to prevent sense of impropriety, which in fact they did:

In the text, Apple confirms that the Galaxy S has "some non-identical elements, such as the slightly larger dimensions."

I hate how they manipulate the UI as well. Yea sure you can make it look like iOS if you want, but that's kind of the point, you're fairly free to make it look however you want.

Cherry picking just the images without the text to say Apple is unethical isn't entirely accurate.

In that picture, size adjusted or not, the Samsung looks an awful lot the like iPhone, which is the basis of the suit.

I hate how they manipulate the UI as well. Yea sure you can make it look like iOS if you want, but that's kind of the point, you're fairly free to make it look however you want.

You can make an iPhone not look like stock iOS as well, but how do Samsung products look fresh out of the box? I honestly don't know if the android launcher is similar to the iOS on when both are stock...

 

[Puddle Jumper]

In that picture, size adjusted or not, the Samsung looks an awful lot the like iPhone, which is the basis of the suit.

Hit the home button on both phones and they won't look alike.

 

[xSauronx]

In that picture, size adjusted or not, the Samsung looks an awful lot the like iPhone, which is the basis of the suit.

I still have a hard time understanding why billion dollar companies are relying on a picture for comparison instead of actual devices for the sake of this case. Or rather, why they are allowed to when someone could easily do a side by side comparison of the devices.

 

[Bateluer]

Are there penalties for evidence tampering?

 

[AstroManLuca]

I hate how they manipulate the UI as well. Yea sure you can make it look like iOS if you want, but that's kind of the point, you're fairly free to make it look however you want.

That said, I would have been up front about the resizing (and if they purposely made the side view angle and icon arrangement the same) to prevent sense of impropriety, which in fact they did:

I hate how they manipulate the UI as well. Yea sure you can make it look like iOS if you want, but that's kind of the point, you're fairly free to make it look however you want.

Cherry picking just the images without the text to say Apple is unethical isn't entirely accurate.

In that picture, size adjusted or not, the Samsung looks an awful lot the like iPhone, which is the basis of the suit.

You can make an iPhone not look like stock iOS as well, but how do Samsung products look fresh out of the box? I honestly don't know if the android launcher is similar to the iOS on when both are stock...

Hit the home button on both phones and they won't look alike.

This is true, BUT to be fair to Apple, Samsung used the shot of the app drawer in a lot of their marketing. I always thought it was dumb because it made the phone look too much like the iPhone, but the only manipulation Apple did was to change the size.

And Samsung's TouchWiz launcher is the one that looks just like the iPhone. The stock Android app drawer doesn't look at much like it; it scrolls vertically instead of having pages and there are no backgrounds behind the app icons.

 

[kubani1]

I still have a hard time understanding why billion dollar companies are relying on a picture for comparison instead of actual devices for the sake of this case. Or rather, why they are allowed to when someone could easily do a side by side comparison of the devices.

that would make too much sense and settle the matter too quickly

 

[Oyeve]

Are there penalties for evidence tampering?

Probably not in this case. Its not like murder or something. They will probably toss the case and slap steves wrist. I am more than sure he can pay whatever fine that may come.

 

[s44]

I'm sure this is just another innocent mistake, just like the last one.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Does this one REALLY matter? They're comparing the UI and functionality of the two devices.

If someone made a TV with teh same Apple UI, would Apple have to show a 60"
TV and 3.5" iPhone to scale?

Get over it. This one isn't anywhere near as bad as the last one.

could just be space constraints on whatever piece of paper this was written on? in which case proportional resizing is ok... dont know what they were trying with the 4:3 galaxy tab business though

 

[Wonderful Pork]

I still have a hard time understanding why billion dollar companies are relying on a picture for comparison instead of actual devices for the sake of this case. Or rather, why they are allowed to when someone could easily do a side by side comparison of the devices.

While side-by-sides are possible, I'd imagine its marketing images of the device (or how it looks on the dummy phones at Radio Shack) which is how lots of prospective customers see.

So if the magazine ad shows the app drawer or whatever, then it does look strikingly similar to an iPhone (not to mention the general physical design include speaker hole cutout!) which is why Apple is angry.

 

[senseamp]

Does this one REALLY matter? They're comparing the UI and functionality of the two devices.

If someone made a TV with teh same Apple UI, would Apple have to show a 60"
TV and 3.5" iPhone to scale?

Get over it. This one isn't anywhere near as bad as the last one.

could just be space constraints on whatever piece of paper this was written on? in which case proportional resizing is ok... dont know what they were trying with the 4:3 galaxy tab business though

You are misinformed. The lawsuits are about design patents, not just functionality.

 

[senseamp]

Probably not in this case. Its not like murder or something. They will probably toss the case and slap steves wrist. I am more than sure he can pay whatever fine that may come.

In the German lawsuit, if Apple loses, they are liable for damages to Samsung from the initial injunction, including lost sales. In the Dutch lawsuit, I don't think there has been an injunction though, so there are no such damages yet.

 

[airdata]

They're still going through with this?

When this story first came out about the lawsuite, users here quickly pointed out that samsung had released a similar model phone before the iphone even came out... so therefore apple would be the ones doing the copying.

 

[Oyeve]

They're still going through with this?

When this story first came out about the lawsuite, users here quickly pointed out that samsung had released a similar model phone before the iphone even came out... so therefore apple would be the ones doing the copying.

Yeah, but samsung helped in the design of the iphone for apple. IMO its all bs as most phones all look the same anyway.

 

[smartpatrol]

The iPad vs. Galaxy Tab one had the Tab image stretched to match the aspect ratio of the iPad. This iPhone vs. Galaxy S picture is just not to scale. It's not nearly the same thing.

 

[dainthomas]

It's a rectangle with a screen. I don't get Apple's issue. Is Samsung supposed to make it a hexagon or something?

Sounds like some lawyers need a new boat or something.

 

[Stang289]

If Samsung was trying to deceive people into thinking they were buying an iPhone or a phone with iOS, Apple would have a case. It is fairly obvious that is not the case. The phones are clearly marked "SAMSUNG" and they tout the Android OS.

 

[YoungGun21]

I'm sure this is just another innocent mistake, just like the last one.

No! Surely they wouldn't make this absolutely innocent mistake TWICE! I guess they did. Apple would never do such a thing on purpose.

How unfortunate for Mr. Jobs. His legal team must be losing a little too much sleep from all these ridiculous lawsuits Apple is getting involved in.

 

[pm]

I personally live by Hanlon's Razor:
"Never attribute to malice that which can adequately be explained through stupidity."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor

You may think me naive, or optimistic, but in things like these - particularly things involving technology and lawyers - I'm going with the idea that they are just incompetent.

Besides which, the idea that these guys are running around deceptively arguing their case just upsets me, whereas the idea that a bunch of lawyers are so stupid that they made the same mistake twice makes my day a little brighter.

 

[Mopetar]

I personally live by Hanlon's Razor:
"Never attribute to malice that which can adequately be explained through stupidity."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor

You may think me naive, or optimistic, but in things like these - particularly things involving technology and lawyers - I'm going with the idea that they are just incompetent.

Besides which, the idea that these guys are running around deceptively arguing their case just upsets me, whereas the idea that a bunch of lawyers are so stupid that they made the same mistake twice makes my day a little brighter.

Makes sense if it's the same group of lawyers. It is a rather stupid oversight though. I imagine that the law firm handling the case is aware of the issue at this point. However, if we continue to see this issue occurring the future, it's going to be more difficult to explain.

Does anyone have a link to the entire complaint? The article mentions that the image in question was found on page 77 of the document and implies that this was the only erroneous image in the document, much like the similar issue with the complaint regarding Samsung's tablet.

 

[Wonderful Pork]

It's a rectangle with a screen. I don't get Apple's issue. Is Samsung supposed to make it a hexagon or something?

Sounds like some lawyers need a new boat or something.

Before the iPhone in 2007 how many companies made just rectangles with screens? With no hardware keyboards, nothing. I think there was 1 phone, the LG Prada. Now most smartphones do it. After the iPhone was a success. And after saying the iPhone WOULDN'T be a success.

Companies aren't taking risks any more, and its really frustrating. I don't want Apple to be the pinnacle of design, I really don't. But they come out with something, and then you get a billion copycats of the same thing with 1 or 2 minor feature tweaks and you're supposed to throw a parade (and this is discounting Apples planned tweaks & holdbacks every year).

"This Android phone has a higher resolution screen for exactly 18 seconds before the next better phone is announced? Strike up the band! Oh but its still a capacitive touch screen phone with 1 button at the bottom? Details."

Make something better. I don't know what better is (else I'd be a millionaire), but damned if Apple makes the next "better" phone and everybody else copies it again.

I design stuff for a living (not phones, but I do physical hardware design but not for Apple or any mobile phone company). It's really hard to design something brand new. You know whats not hard? Tweaking stuff to make it better. Rev B, C and D are always better than Rev A.

Design something new and revolutionary, and I'll buy it. Copy something and add features (ooooo wallpapers! or Launchers, or! widgets!!), and you're still a copycat.

Android is iOS's factory tweakable twin brother. Sure, each one of them is better at one thing vs. another, but they are essentially the same, the choice is ultimately dependent on personal preference. But my RAZR didn't look like my iPhone (or Andriod!), neither did my TREO or Palm Pilot, or whatever before that. Everything after it sure does look pretty similar.