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FreidoNumeroUno

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Apple displays are laughable junk by Android standards. iPhone8 gets a 750p LCD while Android flagships get 1440p OLEDs. If an Android flagship showed up with 750p LCD display, they'd get laughed at. Even for the iPhoneX, Samsung sold Apple some 600 nits dim 1125p OLEDS, while keeping the 1000 nit bright 1440p screens for its own products. And they got a stupid notch in them, while Samsung gets more display to body ratio without the notch. Functionally, the notch is like having thousands of dead pixels on the side of your screen. It's just a stupid idea. It's no surprise only Essential is trying it on Android side.


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senseamp

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Where does "750p" come from? "Plus" iPhones have been 1080p as long as they've existed.
I am not talking about phablets, only one handed phones. Samsung gives you AMOLED 1440p in non-plus form factor, and has been doing it since the S6. Apple gives you a ghetto 750p LCD screen. Which is fine by me, good for them for charging their users $700 for low end components, but there is no point arguing that 750p LCD is a low-end screen on Android side of things, with 1080p IPS/older AMOLED being mid-range, and 1440p AMOLED being high end. Even iPhone X is a midrange screen in Android land in terms of PPI and brightness. Somewhere between Galaxy S5 and S6, or 2 generations behind Samsung's latest and greatest. Look if you like Apple ecosystem (I don't), you gotta pay to play, but you are better off buying a used 6 or 6S. At least you are paying old crap prices for old crap.
 

Ichinisan

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I am not talking about phablets, only one handed phones. Samsung gives you AMOLED 1440p in non-plus form factor, and has been doing it since the S6. Apple gives you a ghetto 750p LCD screen. Which is fine by me, good for them for charging their users $700 for low end components, but there is no point arguing that 750p LCD is a low-end screen on Android side of things, with 1080p IPS/older AMOLED being mid-range, and 1440p AMOLED being high end. Even iPhone X is a midrange screen in Android land in terms of PPI and brightness. Somewhere between Galaxy S5 and S6, or 2 generations behind Samsung's latest and greatest. Look if you like Apple ecosystem (I don't), you gotta pay to play, but you are better off buying a used 6 or 6S. At least you are paying old crap prices for old crap.
But hey, who started off the high-DPI display game?
 

WelshBloke

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But hey, who started off the high-DPI display game?

Depends what you define as a high-DPI display I guess. Regular sized iPhones are 326ppi and have been since the iPhone 4 (which had a 3.5 inch screen at 960x640).

I'd say, personally, that you cant start talking about decent screen resolutions and densities until you hit at least full HD resolutions.
 

FreidoNumeroUno

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Apple displays are laughable junk by Android standards. iPhone8 gets a 750p LCD while Android flagships get 1440p OLEDs. If an Android flagship showed up with 750p LCD display, they'd get laughed at. Even for the iPhoneX, Samsung sold Apple some 600 nits dim 1125p OLEDS, while keeping the 1000 nit bright 1440p screens for its own products. And they got a stupid notch in them, while Samsung gets more display to body ratio without the notch. Functionally, the notch is like having thousands of dead pixels on the side of your screen. It's just a stupid idea. It's no surprise only Essential is trying it on Android side.

How come android gimmick displays are comparable to iPhone displays?
Iphone displays have the best accuracy and enough resolution for a phone. After all we are not talking about 4k tvs. Why you need a 1000 nits on a mobile display unless u r living in sahara all day? Apple Watch needs a higher brightness screen as its screen is small in size and total light reaching out eyes would still be less than that of an iPhone screen.
Iphone get things done. That's the most important part here.


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Zaap

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*sigh*
iPhone 8...

I was hoping for this:

(Based on leaked patent drawings.)

Something I'd be envious of. Something worthy of all the hype. Something akin to a total rethink that would have everyone else scrambling to imitate it. (yeah yeah, I know. Tall order. But Apple once upon a time actually did that.)

Instead...

Sorry, it's kind of a snore-fest.

The iPhone 7.2..err, sorry, 8 is so same-ol' same ol'.

The X is different, but IMO the iPhone 8 is like an afterthought. Would have been nicer had they just made one new design, then the standard and plus versions of it.
 

gorcorps

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How come android gimmick displays are comparable to iPhone displays?
Iphone displays have the best accuracy and enough resolution for a phone. After all we are not talking about 4k tvs. Why you need a 1000 nits on a mobile display unless u r living in sahara all day? Apple Watch needs a higher brightness screen as its screen is small in size and total light reaching out eyes would still be less than that of an iPhone screen.
Iphone get things done. That's the most important part here.


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Best accuracy on iPhone hasn't been true for the last year, maybe two. I believe screen tests started giving the nod to AMOLED over the iphone staring with the S7.

While LCD did have advantages over the OLED screens for a while in some cases, the newest AMOLED screens win across the board.
 

sdifox

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How come android gimmick displays are comparable to iPhone displays?
Iphone displays have the best accuracy and enough resolution for a phone. After all we are not talking about 4k tvs. Why you need a 1000 nits on a mobile display unless u r living in sahara all day? Apple Watch needs a higher brightness screen as its screen is small in size and total light reaching out eyes would still be less than that of an iPhone screen.
Iphone get things done. That's the most important part here.


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http://www.displaymate.com/Color_Accuracy_ShootOut_1.htm#Conclusion

Doesn't look like your precious iPhone has best colour accuracy either.
 

sdifox

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Check anadtech reviews. Looks like your site is partial


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The guy sells display calibration gear... No reason for him to be biased.

Oh and he was trained as a theoretical physicist and designed tv broadcast gear, published 35 scientific papers.
 

sdifox

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They sell it for money. The same could be the reason.


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What kind of reasoning is that, you get your Apple phones for free?

Think about it, Apple has like 250B salted away offshore, there has been more than a billion iphones sold over the whole lifecycle of iphones.

That means after paying for everything from r&d to accountants, Apple still had at least 250 pure profit on every single onf of those billion phones.


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gorcorps

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Check anadtech reviews. Looks like your site is partial


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Did you seriously imply that Anandtech is NOT partial? I trust Anandtech for PC hardware, but being impartial in mobile devices is not their strong suit... Apple love is very strong in their reviews and tastes
 
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Fingolfin269

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I've thought about it a bit more and think I'll just stick with the 7+. Was going to get the X but am not ready to give up the fingerprint reader yet. It really annoys me that they got rid of that to be honest. The notch looks awkward, and very unlike Apple, but I can deal with that.

What I do find interesting is that this is now two years in a row they have taken a major feature away without giving much of anything back.
 

JimKiler

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^ honestly I can't make out what point you're trying to make, but the iPhone 8 does have wireless charging.

Even Apple can't 'feature tease' that blatantly.

I was trying to point out that the premium iPhone features are standard on non iPhones but i did not realize wireless charging was on the non premium iPhones as well.
 

Ichinisan

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Depends what you define as a high-DPI display I guess. Regular sized iPhones are 326ppi and have been since the iPhone 4 (which had a 3.5 inch screen at 960x640).

I'd say, personally, that you cant start talking about decent screen resolutions and densities until you hit at least full HD resolutions.
Yes. In 2010 the iPhone 4 introduced a “retina” display with 4x the pixels, and that’s when Android device manufacturers started tripping over themselves to one-up each other in a pointless DPI race. It really is kinda silly to go over 1080p for a handheld device smaller than 7 inches.
 

sdifox

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Yes. In 2010 the iPhone 4 introduced a “retina” display with 4x the pixels, and that’s when Android device manufacturers started tripping over themselves to one-up each other in a pointless DPI race. It really is kinda silly to go over 1080p for a handheld device smaller than 7 inches.


Four times the pixel? What resolution were the other phones at the time? I think most android were in the 800*400 range, which is not a quarter of 960*640

Or are you talking about comparing to iphone 3gs, which was 480*320?

http://www.zdnet.com/article/top-10-smartphones-of-2010-for-now/
 
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WelshBloke

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Yes. In 2010 the iPhone 4 introduced a “retina” display with 4x the pixels, and that’s when Android device manufacturers started tripping over themselves to one-up each other in a pointless DPI race. It really is kinda silly to go over 1080p for a handheld device smaller than 7 inches.
As I say it depends what you define as a high DPI display.

While you might call 1080p unnecessary on a mobile device that's not really the point, the point would be that a 960x640res 3.5 inch screen is a bit craptacular to be holding up as an example of good screen technology.

It seems fairly arbitrary to pick the first "retina" display as the first high DPI display. It was a bit higher than those before it and significantly lower than those after it. It was also ridiculously small.
 

Commodus

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Four times the pixel? What resolution were the other phones at the time? I think most android were in the 800*400 range, which is not a quarter of 960*640

Or are you talking about comparing to iphone 3gs, which was 480*320?

http://www.zdnet.com/article/top-10-smartphones-of-2010-for-now/

Yeah, he's referring to the jump over the 3GS. You saw 800x480 Android phones at the time, but the lower res and larger screens meant that the improvement was relatively modest compared to what Apple was offering. The iPhone 4 was probably the first phone where everything felt almost print-like in terms of fidelity. Apple is now relatively modest when it comes to resolution, but at the time it was an unambiguous advantage.
 

JimKiler

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Yeah, he's referring to the jump over the 3GS. You saw 800x480 Android phones at the time, but the lower res and larger screens meant that the improvement was relatively modest compared to what Apple was offering. The iPhone 4 was probably the first phone where everything felt almost print-like in terms of fidelity. Apple is now relatively modest when it comes to resolution, but at the time it was an unambiguous advantage.

How many people use the extra resolution, my wife's S7 is set on 1080p and i would presume she will lose battery power for a higher resolution.
 

senseamp

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It's 2017, not 2010. 720p is fine for a $100 burner phone, not $700 flagship. Also, what's the point of having a nice new GPU tied to a low res screen?
 

FreidoNumeroUno

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It's 2017, not 2010. 720p is fine for a $100 burner phone, not $700 flagship. Also, what's the point of having a nice new GPU tied to a low res screen?
Do you want the screen to be 10 inch as it is 2017?
1080p is good for a device as long as the dpi is good enough.
We want resolution to be good enough. Not crazy enough.
The point of having a nice GPU and a low res screen is , the UI would run 60fps all the time and you wont see the frame drop you often see in android flagships like s8. Yes thats correct.
S8 frame drops are way higher than that of oneplus 5.
The website rendering gets yhe benefit too.


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