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gorcorps

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Why doesn't apple offer a 128gb iPhone X? It's either 64gb or 256gb. 128 is perfectly ideal but they don't offer it either, at least from what we know. Maybe in the future? I absolutely don't need 256gb and I can do fine with 64 but 128 especially because of photos.

I customize my Nexus 6p a lot so I download a lot of mods, backups, roms..which you normally don't do on an iPhone wasting up space. So if I were to go iPhone I think I would be fine with 64 as the default since I can't customize and load stuff on it.

They've done that forever. The iphone 7 was offered in 32 and 128, but there wasn't a 64.
 

senseamp

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Nexus 6 had a similar back and had wireless charging. I had a wireless charge pad and I never used it with that phone. I guess we will find out Oct 4. Either way, both are flagships with flagship pricing.
Nexus6 had plastic back, this looks like alloy, so no wireless charging. Lame phone with a lame price, IMO.
 

sze5003

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Nexus6 had plastic back, this looks like alloy, so no wireless charging. Lame phone with a lame price, IMO.
I've never used wireless charging on any phone I've had that included that feature. I prefer fast or turbo charge. It may be lame but it will be one of the smoothest Android phones considering how smooth the pixel XL is.
 

senseamp

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I've never used wireless charging on any phone I've had that included that feature. I prefer fast or turbo charge. It may be lame but it will be one of the smoothest Android phones considering how smooth the pixel XL is.
I come home and just put my S6 on the wireless charger overnight. No need to mess with the wires unless you want to quick charge. It's great if you use it.
 

sze5003

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I come home and just put my S6 on the wireless charger overnight. No need to mess with the wires unless you want to quick charge. It's great if you use it.
Yea I can see other users need for it. I'm sure had I used it more with my previous phones I would have gotten used to it. I just hope pixel 2 looks nice from the front. I do hope it's water resistant as the other google phones weren't. If they want to compete with flagship they should all have the same features, plus/minus a few.
 

Ichinisan

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Four times the pixel?
Yes. Based on the same area as previous. 2x horizontal and 2x vertical is 4 pixels occupying the spot that was previously occupied by 1.

What resolution were the other phones at the time?
Nobody cared. Most just figured all LCDs would have obvious visible pixels until iPhone 4 set them off.

4x the pixels of previous iPhones. Significantly higher pixel density than any flagship smartphone or tablet. It set off the competition to start making displays with higher and higher DPI, well past the point where it had any benefit and actually started to be detrimental. Cramming more pixels into a fixed area means more of that surface area is wasted by the tiny gaps between the pixels (which block the backlight). Engineers compensate with a brighter backlight to get more light from the pixels within the area. That already means you have greater battery drain. Then, actually rendering the (mostly imperceptible) details requires more processing power and battery drain.

I think most android were in the 800*400 range, which is not a quarter of 960*640
They also had larger displays. Pretty much all smartphones and tablets were comparable DPI to the original iPhone, even the ones with bigger screens and higher resolutions.

Haven’t clicked it yet. The big one I remember: Evo 4G. One of the early “phablet” class phones. Also one of the only phones other than iPhone 4 to have a front-facing camera at that time. Unfortunately, it became completely worthless long before iPhone 4 did. The price of Evo 4G was also much higher. Sprint doesn’t even have the “4G” WiMAX network any more since they came to their senses and re-farmed the Spectrum for proper 4G LTE.

Apple increased the screen size in one dimension with iPhone 5, but didn’t change DPI at all. Then the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus set Apple’s current size/DPI standards. Quite justifiably, the resolution of iPhone 6 was chosen specifically to facilitate compatibility and consistency with existing apps.

“Plus” size iPhones actually have 1920x1080 mostly for 16:9 1080p movies. To avoid layout issues and maximize app compatibility, apps run as if they are at a slightly lower resolution and some UI elements are transparently re-scaled to the native 1080p display resolution.

I like this rationale. I remember how miserable it was to use mainstream Android apps that would have ridiculous layout glitches on my 1024x768 10” 4:3 HP TouchPad. Developers just didn’t seem to realize Android would ever run on a 4:3 tablet (even though others did exist).
 

Ichinisan

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How many people use the extra resolution, my wife's S7 is set on 1080p and i would presume she will lose battery power for a higher resolution.
Yeah. Kinda emphasizing how pointless those way-higher DPIs are. It’s a spec that just simply doesn’t matter.

Maybe useful for in-your-face stereoscopic 3D VR I guess. Then there’s pretty much no way a slim mobile device can handle processing/rendering native resolution without massive power drain and heat output.
 

sdifox

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Yes. Based on the same area as previous. 2x horizontal and 2x vertical is 4 pixels occupying the spot that was previously occupied by 1.


Nobody cared. Most just figured all LCDs would have obvious visible pixels until iPhone 4 set them off.

4x the pixels of previous iPhones. Significantly higher pixel density than any flagship smartphone or tablet. It set off the competition to start making displays with higher and higher DPI, well past the point where it had any benefit and actually started to be detrimental. Cramming more pixels into a fixed area means more of that surface area is wasted by the tiny gaps between the pixels (which block the backlight). Engineers compensate with a brighter backlight to get more light from the pixels within the area. That already means you have greater battery drain. Then, actually rendering the (mostly imperceptible) details requires more processing power and battery drain.


They also had larger displays. Pretty much all smartphones and tablets were comparable DPI to the original iPhone, even the ones with bigger screens and higher resolutions.


Haven’t clicked it yet. The big one I remember: Evo 4G. One of the early “phablet” class phones. Also one of the only phones other than iPhone 4 to have a front-facing camera at that time. Unfortunately, it became completely worthless long before iPhone 4 did. The price of Evo 4G was also much higher. Sprint doesn’t even have the “4G” WiMAX network any more since they came to their senses and re-farmed the Spectrum for proper 4G LTE.

Apple increased the screen size in one dimension with iPhone 5, but didn’t change DPI at all. Then the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus set Apple’s current size/DPI standards. Quite justifiably, the resolution of iPhone 6 was chosen specifically to facilitate compatibility and consistency with existing apps.

“Plus” size iPhones actually have 1920x1080 mostly for 16:9 1080p movies. To avoid layout issues and maximize app compatibility, apps run as if they are at a slightly lower resolution and some UI elements are transparently re-scaled to the native 1080p display resolution.

I like this rationale. I remember how miserable it was to use mainstream Android apps that would have ridiculous layout glitches on my 1024x768 10” 4:3 HP TouchPad. Developers just didn’t seem to realize Android would ever run on a 4:3 tablet (even though others did exist).


Touchpad was webos... Just because cyanogenmod created android port for it doesn't mean it was built that way.

Evo 4g was 4.3, only .8" bigger than iphone 4.
 

Ichinisan

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I don't really notice any difference in battery life between HD and UHD resolutions. Maybe I would if I had two phones next to each other and did the exact same thing with them all day at different settings but my battery life is far more dependent on my usage pattern varying that the resolution.
You know what else you don’t notice? Any perceivable improvement in visual fidelity.
 

Ichinisan

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Go get out an iPhone 4 and an S4. To me the 4.3inch 480×800 S4 is much more pleasant to use than the 3.5inch 960×640 iPhone 4.
The size of the 3.5 screen is pretty horrible for web browsing.
Ha ha...a fair comparison would be the S1 or S2 that competed directly with the iPhone 4.
 

Ichinisan

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And thank goodness they did. I'm now holding in my hand the best smartphone screen I've ever seen on the Note 8. And I have multiple generations of screens to compare it to from my note 3, note 4, s5 and s7e, as well as my wife's iPhones up to the 6.

Much as I was one who once said I'd probably never need more than 720p.... meh! I was just flat out wrong. This screen is so much nicer to look at and do anything on.

On the note, resolution makes a difference when drawing and sketching with the stylus. At its highest res, the feel of the pen is near perfect. There's actually a function to the screen beyond just it looking good. If Apple would ever make an iPhone pro with a mini pencil I bet suddenly a lot of iPhone users would rave over it. Hell I'd even want one.

I don't think makers 'tripping over themselves' to add features -better and higher res screens included- has ever been a bad thing for consumer choice.

I wish Apple would do it more rather than hold out on basic features for years, or play 'add one feature, take another away' as much as they do.
Samsung makes fantastic AMOLED displays. DPI is not the reason it looks so great.
 

Ichinisan

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Touchpad was webos... Just because cyanogenmod created android port for it doesn't mean it was built that way.

Evo 4g was 4.3, only .8" bigger than iphone 4.
Some apps handled it. Many apps did not.

There were other 4:3 10” 1024x768 Android tablets with similar issues. Even worse, mainstream apps that didn’t show in the store for a tablet or they ran as if they were on a mobile phone screen.
 

sdifox

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Some apps handled it. Many apps did not.

There were other 4:3 10” 1024x768 Android tablets with similar issues. Even worse, mainstream apps that didn’t show in the store for a tablet or they ran as if they were on a mobile phone screen.

Android just doesn't have the control, or will to control like Apple does.

Advantage of a closed system.

Funny enough now my tv runs on webos


As to the original Retina, it was hilarious that you are expected to hold the phone ten inches from your eye to satisfy the claim.
 
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senseamp

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When you are watching youtube video in portrait mode on iPhone6-8, you are seeing 750x421 resolution.
On Galaxy S6-8 you are seeing 1440x810 resolution, which is higher than iPhone6-8 in full screen landscape.
That's just whack.
 

WelshBloke

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Jan 12, 2005
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You know what else you don’t notice? Any perceivable improvement in visual fidelity.
Maybe not between 1080p and 1440p, but even my tired old eyes can see a difference between 720p and 1080p.
The higher resolution is there for VR and apparently helps with things like Japanese scripts.
 

sdifox

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Maybe not between 1080p and 1440p, but even my tired old eyes can see a difference between 720p and 1080p.
The higher resolution is there for VR and apparently helps with things like Japanese scripts.


Chinese even more so.
 

WelshBloke

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I've never used wireless charging on any phone I've had that included that feature. I prefer fast or turbo charge. It may be lame but it will be one of the smoothest Android phones considering how smooth the pixel XL is.

I couldn't give up wireless charging now. I don't use it at home, wired is quicker and you can still use the phone. In the car though wireless is fantastic. I have a wireless car mount that I made. There's some magnets inside the mount and when I get in the car I just plonk the phone on the mount and it starts charging and Android auto fires up automagically!
 
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