Apple, Facebook and Spotify remove 'The Alex Jones Show,' Infowars over hate speech

Starbuck1975

Lifer
Jan 6, 2005
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Took them long enough but glad to see the social media and streaming service giants finally take action.

Technology is what gave these fringe voices a platform to begin with, and in doing so, legitimized it
 

interchange

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Oct 10, 1999
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Jones is nuts and it's despicable that any reputable network or producer would throw money to put him on the air. As for the groups mentioned above, I hope their policies are even-handed.
 

UNCjigga

Lifer
Dec 12, 2000
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I've wondered this for a long time...but I've never really asked this out loud. I am not a constitutional law expert nor do I pretend to be one--but how is InfoWars not the constitutional equivalent of falsely yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater? I guess the answer to that question goes to whether you agree with Schenck vs. US or Brandenburg vs. Ohio when it comes to tests of the First Amendment. I am guessing that this issue will probably come up again in the Supreme Court soon, given everything that's happened with fake news, Russian trolls, and far-right loons feeding conspiracy theories to the masses.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
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And Facebook took off like a rocket today. I wonder if people are seeing this as a positive?
 

Amused

Elite Member
Apr 14, 2001
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I've wondered this for a long time...but I've never really asked this out loud. I am not a constitutional law expert nor do I pretend to be one--but how is InfoWars not the constitutional equivalent of falsely yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater? I guess the answer to that question goes to whether you agree with Schenck vs. US or Brandenburg vs. Ohio when it comes to tests of the First Amendment. I am guessing that this issue will probably come up again in the Supreme Court soon, given everything that's happened with fake news, Russian trolls, and far-right loons feeding conspiracy theories to the masses.

Because you have to prove real, tangible harm. That becomes difficult in court.

We all KNOW the harm misinformation and conspiratard propaganda causes. But taking that to the level of real tangible harm in court is different.

Unfortunately, Jones falls under Brandenburg vs. Ohio.
 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
Sep 21, 2002
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Simple proof that the left are not to be trusted with power.
If interfering with social media is an attack on democracy, by their own standards, the heads of the silicon valley left should hang, that is the punishment for treason.

This makes it clear for all to see, what the left has become, and its why you are not to be trusted with power. You see fascists everywhere, but you are the tyrants you complain about. Its no surprise the left so fear the second amendment, because you intend on behaving in ways which will validate its existence.
 

UNCjigga

Lifer
Dec 12, 2000
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Because you have to prove real, tangible harm. That becomes difficult in court.

We all KNOW the harm misinformation and conspiratard propaganda causes. But taking that to the level of real tangible harm in court is different.

Unfortunately, Jones falls under Brandenburg vs. Ohio.

So, Sandy Hook victims having to move around due to threats of violence does not pass the test for "imminent danger"?

Also, Brandenburg dealt with KKK members expressing an opinion (inciting violence against blacks and Jews), but did not deal with comments that were blatant lies. I thought the opinion in Schenck very clearly stated that a dangerous falsehood would not be tolerated.

At what point are lies that either threaten a group with imminent harm, OR prevent a group from exercising a constitutional right (I.e. voting) no longer considered protected free speech?
 

Amused

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Apr 14, 2001
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Simple proof that the left are not to be trusted with power.
If interfering with social media is an attack on democracy, by their own standards, the heads of the silicon valley left should hang, that is the punishment for treason.

This makes it clear for all to see, what the left has become, and its why you are not to be trusted with power. You see fascists everywhere, but you are the tyrants you complain about. Its no surprise the left so fear the second amendment, because you intend on behaving in ways which will validate its existence.

Look how stupid you are.

No. Seriously. Just look at yourself.

This is about the stupidest thing I've seen on AT in quite some time and the right-wing keeps lowering the bar.

Either private property owners have rights, or they do not. Full stop. Any whining after that is just fully retarded sour grapes that your hateful and conspiratard nonsense is not socially acceptable.
 

Amused

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Apr 14, 2001
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So, Sandy Hook victims having to move around due to threats of violence does not pass the test for "imminent danger"?

Also, Brandenburg dealt with KKK members expressing an opinion (inciting violence against blacks and Jews), but did not deal with comments that were blatant lies. I thought the opinion in Schenck very clearly stated that a dangerous falsehood would not be tolerated.

At what point are lies that either threaten a group with imminent harm, OR prevent a group from exercising a constitutional right (I.e. voting) no longer considered protected free speech?

Yes., that case does.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
May 28, 2007
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Simple proof that the left are not to be trusted with power.
If interfering with social media is an attack on democracy, by their own standards, the heads of the silicon valley left should hang, that is the punishment for treason.

This makes it clear for all to see, what the left has become, and its why you are not to be trusted with power. You see fascists everywhere, but you are the tyrants you complain about. Its no surprise the left so fear the second amendment, because you intend on behaving in ways which will validate its existence.

LMAO at calling the CEOs of the largest firms in the world the "left".

Yeah, okay buddy.
 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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Interesting to watch FB chase Apple on this. The latter has never made any bones about their platforms being theirs to do with as they see fit which is a huge difference.
 

SNC

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Jan 14, 2001
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Simple proof that the left are not to be trusted with power.
If interfering with social media is an attack on democracy, by their own standards, the heads of the silicon valley left should hang, that is the punishment for treason.

This makes it clear for all to see, what the left has become, and its why you are not to be trusted with power. You see fascists everywhere, but you are the tyrants you complain about. Its no surprise the left so fear the second amendment, because you intend on behaving in ways which will validate its existence.
So you believe that the government can and should force a private company to provide a format for those that it does not agree with? There is nothing stopping these people or groups from starting up their own social media app and spewing whatever they like. This is not a left v right issue. Its a first amendment issue, one that has been resolved several times. What part are you confused about?
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
27,399
3,947
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Simple proof that the left are not to be trusted with power.
If interfering with social media is an attack on democracy, by their own standards, the heads of the silicon valley left should hang, that is the punishment for treason.

This makes it clear for all to see, what the left has become, and its why you are not to be trusted with power. You see fascists everywhere, but you are the tyrants you complain about. Its no surprise the left so fear the second amendment, because you intend on behaving in ways which will validate its existence.

stfu soyboy
 

umbrella39

Lifer
Jun 11, 2004
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126
Simple proof that the left are not to be trusted with power.
If interfering with social media is an attack on democracy, by their own standards, the heads of the silicon valley left should hang, that is the punishment for treason.

This makes it clear for all to see, what the left has become, and its why you are not to be trusted with power. You see fascists everywhere, but you are the tyrants you complain about. Its no surprise the left so fear the second amendment, because you intend on behaving in ways which will validate its existence.

No. Simple proof that sock puppets like you are always on the wrong side of every issue. Even hardcore constitutionalist conservatives disagree with you. This isn't left vs right. It's smart vs stupid. Credit to SY for that brilliant distinction made several years ago...

You can log out of this account now. You've embarrassed your puppet master enough today...
 
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Commodus

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Oct 9, 2004
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I was counting down the seconds until 0roo wandered in with his "if people can't force private sites to spread toxic and demonstrably false right-wing conspiracies, the US is doooooomed" crap, and sure enough...

On this note, for those wondering about YouTube: it did remove Alex Jones' official channel. And frankly... good. So long as Jones continues to peddle in outright falsehoods and hate, he deserves to be silenced everywhere, at all times, forever.
 

Homerboy

Lifer
Mar 1, 2000
30,856
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Simple proof that the left are not to be trusted with power.
If interfering with social media is an attack on democracy, by their own standards, the heads of the silicon valley left should hang, that is the punishment for treason.

This makes it clear for all to see, what the left has become, and its why you are not to be trusted with power. You see fascists everywhere, but you are the tyrants you complain about. Its no surprise the left so fear the second amendment, because you intend on behaving in ways which will validate its existence.

I have some things I'd like to say that should be posted on the NRA website/TV. How do I go about getting a voice there?
 

Vic

Elite Member
Jun 12, 2001
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Simple proof that the left are not to be trusted with power.
If interfering with social media is an attack on democracy, by their own standards, the heads of the silicon valley left should hang, that is the punishment for treason.

This makes it clear for all to see, what the left has become, and its why you are not to be trusted with power. You see fascists everywhere, but you are the tyrants you complain about. Its no surprise the left so fear the second amendment, because you intend on behaving in ways which will validate its existence.

If you don't like it, then start your own media streaming service instead of demanding some socialist 'right' to use the private property of others in violation of their clearly established terms of service.
 
Reactions: DarthKyrie
Feb 4, 2009
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If you don't like it, then start your own media streaming service instead of demanding some socialist 'right' to use the private property of others in violation of their clearly established terms of service.

He’s a Russian troll you are wasting your time
 
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