Apple fakes gaming benchmarks?

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Originally posted by: Adn4n
Dual processors? I'm I mistaken when I say that a Dual Opteron system would be better?

you are most likely right. my point isnt that its the best system, but none the less, it plays games VERY VERY well. the combination of the system and the monitor make it the best looking system i have seen

also, IMO, OS X is far superior to windows. i would much rather have dual G5 over dual opteron, not because i have more processing power, but rather a much better OS
 

obeseotron

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This is new even for apple. They usually use discredited benchmarks like bytemark, poorly equipped PCs, and rigged settings. There is no way to manipulate the scores that much. They've got to be just made up. For the record, a 1.25Ghz G4 would pretty easily max out an FX5200, you could put the fastest chip in the world in there and it still shouldn't get much faster.
 

ponyo

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Who buys Apple Macs to game? People who buy Macs buy them to get work done. They can always buy a cheap PC or console if they want to game.
 

DaFinn

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You can play games on Apple??? Whoa, what is this world coming to... Next they'll be making their own version of XBOX called IBOX or aBOX! :Q
 

tfinch2

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Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: Regs
Originally posted by: jasonawatkins
I have used both types of computers and I can honestly say that gaming on a Mac is nowhere near as fun as gaming on a PC. The PC is much better for gaming, as I'm sure you all know already!!

Even though I would agree with you, that was hardly persuasive.

This is coming from a guy with a P3/933 and gF3. That ought to speak volumes about the magnitude of Suckage found in "Mac Gaming"

- M4H

lol
 

n7

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Originally posted by: DaFinn
You can play games on Apple??? Whoa, what is this world coming to... Next they'll be making their own version of XBOX called IBOX or aBOX! :Q



Hey now! Don't give them any ideas :Q
 

imported_jediknight

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Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Originally posted by: zainali
lol who uses apple computer for playing games? someone please link to the apple games trailer spoof.
"And you know all the titles because you already beat them like 2yrs ago on PC. My name is______and I'm a gamer. Well....I used to be."

"And that puzzle game with the Apple logo. I beat it, but.. it's still fun"

Damn.. I HAD that movie somewhere.. I can't find it!
 

The MACdaddy

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Originally posted by: Adn4n
Dual processors? I'm I mistaken when I say that a Dual Opteron system would be better?

Yep.

You can't make a blanket statement like that and expect it to hold any water. Through looking a various bench tests I've come to the conclusion the Dual Opterons and Dual G5s are roughly clock for clock the same performance wise in real world test. EX: video editing, Photoshop, 3D rendering. Macs are better (barely) on some and the Opterons are better (barely) with others. The other thing Is the cost/performance is about the same too. Anyone fully versed on both platforms would easily come to the same conclusion.
 

imported_jediknight

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Originally posted by: thegimp03
Apple: "And then there?s the NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra graphics processor with 64MB of DDR SDRAM. It?s a combination that delivers unparalleled 2D and 3D graphics performance and an immersive, photorealistic gaming experience with three times the frame rate of previous-generation processors."

lol. :/


Wow! So I guess I should trade my GeForce4 Ti for the 5200? After all, if Apple says it's true.. then IT MUST BE!

(*Disclaimer: I don't own a GeForce4Ti.. I've got a MX440SE :-< BUT. I'm using a 9800 Pro :-> )
 

iwantanewcomputer

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Originally posted by: The MACdaddy
Originally posted by: Adn4n
Dual processors? I'm I mistaken when I say that a Dual Opteron system would be better?

Yep.

You can't make a blanket statement like that and expect it to hold any water. Through looking a various bench tests I've come to the conclusion the Dual Opterons and Dual G5s are roughly clock for clock the same performance wise in real world test. EX: video editing, Photoshop, 3D rendering. Macs are better (barely) on some and the Opterons are better (barely) with others. The other thing Is the cost/performance is about the same too. Anyone fully versed on both platforms would easily come to the same conclusion.

this is very true. i'm glad to see some people who actually look at benches before making comparisons. the processors are very similar clock for clock and performance per dollar. the thing is though that the rest of the mac system sucks. i can't really say the motherboard/chipset sucks cause there is nothing to compare with, but the memory is slow, high latency, and way overpriced. video cards?- i'm not even going to go there. a 9600xt in a 3000 dollar computer. I'm not sure but i don't think you can get decent raid or scsi solutions for macs either.

all in all, a dual opteron system would kill any g5 system with equivalent processing power in applications that are memory bandwidth or latency dependent once you put in a few extra sticks of fast memory and run two processors in dual channel.

the g5 is a great processor, the mac system sucks
 
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Ofcourse theres that big of a performance gap... The previous IMac might get 2fps while the new one gets 5.5 or 6fps...


Come freaking on its a goddamn 5200U, If I saw the engineers for Mac I would seriously shoot the bastard who thought of putting that card in it, and then trying to pass it off as:

And then there?s the NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra graphics processor with 64MB of DDR SDRAM. It?s a combination that delivers unparalleled 2D and 3D graphics performance and an immersive, photorealistic gaming experience with three times the frame rate of previous-generation processors.

I don't buy this bs and neither should anyone else if they want "unparralleled 2D and 3D graphics performance"
 

The MACdaddy

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Originally posted by: iwantanewcomputer
Originally posted by: The MACdaddy
Originally posted by: Adn4n
Dual processors? I'm I mistaken when I say that a Dual Opteron system would be better?

Yep.

You can't make a blanket statement like that and expect it to hold any water. Through looking a various bench tests I've come to the conclusion the Dual Opterons and Dual G5s are roughly clock for clock the same performance wise in real world test. EX: video editing, Photoshop, 3D rendering. Macs are better (barely) on some and the Opterons are better (barely) with others. The other thing Is the cost/performance is about the same too. Anyone fully versed on both platforms would easily come to the same conclusion.

this is very true. i'm glad to see some people who actually look at benches before making comparisons. the processors are very similar clock for clock and performance per dollar. the thing is though that the rest of the mac system sucks. i can't really say the motherboard/chipset sucks cause there is nothing to compare with, but the memory is slow, high latency, and way overpriced. video cards?- i'm not even going to go there. a 9600xt in a 3000 dollar computer. I'm not sure but i don't think you can get decent raid or scsi solutions for macs either.

all in all, a dual opteron system would kill any g5 system with equivalent processing power in applications that are memory bandwidth or latency dependent once you put in a few extra sticks of fast memory and run two processors in dual channel.

the g5 is a great processor, the mac system sucks


You have NO IDEA what you are typing into your computer. OMG. Please. This information is NOT hard to find.
"G5 processor has its own dedicated bidirectional interface to the system controller. That?s a mind-boggling 20GB per second of total bandwidth on dual 2.5GHz systems"
http://www.apple.com/powermac/architecture.html
Read through that page...
"Serial ATA, Gigabit Ethernet, FireWire, USB 2.0 and optical digital and analog audio are all integrated through two bidirectional 800MHz HyperTransport interconnects for a maximum throughput of 1.6GB per second."

"The Power Mac G5 can hold two internal Serial ATA drives that support 1.5Gbps throughput per channel (equivalent to a 150 MBps data rate)."

"What?s more, the data streams integrate clock signals along with the data, allowing the frontside bus to work at speeds of up to 1.25GHz for an astonishing 10GB per second of aggregate bandwidth."

This hardly equates to "mac system sucks" in anybody's book that has a clue.

Maybe you ought to look here too:
http://www.hypertransport.org/
And check out the Apple logo on the page as one of the founding members.

Latency on RAM does NOT make a hugh difference at the user level. It doesn't change the 6.4GB memory throughput that the RAM is capable of. BTW there's nothing stopping you from buying better ram. NOBODY buys ram through Apple that knows what they're doing.

OR her some reliable Photoshop scores:HERE
Notice all the G5's and Opterons at the top? Wow! Not bad for and app as "memory bandwidth or latency dependent" as PS is.

I'm not saying that G5's PWN Opterons... ANY blanket statement is stupid. They are fairly similar performance wise.

Yes you can get RAID/SCSI solutions for Macs - you can even fit up to 5 HD's in a G5 and RAID them, or go external: http://www.apple.com/xserve/raid/
 
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