Apple is slapping PC users around with their 30" LCD!

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Eug

Originally posted by: Mik3y
the 30" apple lcd display wont work on any pc. even if the video card supports dual link dvi, it's all about the drivers too. i know because i talked to an apple worker. he said that apple will eventually make a 30" lcd display for the pc market, so who knows. it might or might not happen.

Your source is full of it.

It works on the PC, as long as the card supports dual-link DVI and the stock drivers support 2560x1600. Many non-gaming cards support this. The nVidia Quadros do for instance, and people have already tested the 30" Apple Cinema Display with them. Works fine.

Pix!

The main problem on the PC side is the cost of the video cards. They are usually 4-digit prices. On the Mac, the video card is a $400 upgrade from the el crappo stock GeForce 5200U to the GeForce 6800 GT. Or it's another $100 more if you want the GeForce 6800 Ultra.

Note that the Mac cards have TWO dual-link DVI ports, which means they can run two 30" displays simultaneously. :Q

That's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. <= (We need a crying emotion)

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Naustica

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Holy sh!t, I just saw an Apple 30" in action at CompUSA a couple of days ago! That thing is simply AWESOME! Like I said, there's nothing on the PC side that can compare. I just don't understand why SOny can't come up with a display equal to it.

Yeah I also played around with it at an Apple retail store. Amazing.

Sony is not the leader in display like they were CRT and Trinitron displays. Sony was actually late to the party on LCD, Plasma, and other high-end display. They're now playing catchup to their competitors like LG, Samsung, Sharp, and others who currently have the technology lead in the new generation displays. LG has been especially strong and are usually the first to release the largest displays.

Don't think so bro. Sony was behind, but with their release of their bad ass XBrite LCDs, I'd say they are at the top of the game again. Their 19" 12ms XBrite LCD is AWESOME! Others might have a slightly faster response time, but set another LCD (Samsung, LG, Sharp whatever) beside the new Sonys, and the others will pale in comparison image wise. I believe NEC has something like XBrite with their new panels, but I'm not sure what they call theirs.

 

[batmanuel]

You know I was over at my local Fry's and for some reason they have their 30" cinema display hooked up to a PowerMac with the base model FX5200. The image looked like crap, pixellated as hell. I don't know how they expect to sell customers on those monitors until they get a decent card for it.

 

[Andres3605]

i just have to say something, nice but a complete overkill, with the price of the display and the video card(S) to have a decent game scenario, you could just build 5 decent pcs or a decent home cinema (projected) , ill stick to 19" and leave the cinemas for rich Mac folks.

 

[NarcoticHobo]

As I finish building my college gaming desktop I realize if I save my money right that will be part of my graduate school desktop:

30" LCD with SLI Geforce 8900 Ultra's and a dual core 8 Ghz 4mb cache Athlon 128-bit processor, oh and about 8 Gigs of ram and a 500 GB 20k RPM SATA II NCQ hard disk.

All for $3700...

Scary those predictions may come true... well probably not the 128-bit or the hard drive.

 

[Anubis]

id rather have that IBM T221

 

[Stangs55]

Screw Apple...I've compared my Sony SDM-P234 directly next to the 23" apple and the Sony looks better. And no, I'm not an apple troll, I was prepared to buy whichever one was better...everyone who was there agreed--Sony wins. As for the 30"...it'd be nice....real nice.

 

[Mik3y]

Originally posted by: Stangs55
Screw Apple...I've compared my Sony SDM-P234 directly next to the 23" apple and the Sony looks better. And no, I'm not an apple troll, I was prepared to buy whichever one was better...everyone who was there agreed--Sony wins. As for the 30"...it'd be nice....real nice.

um, both 23-inchers are the same panels...

 

[piroroadkill]

I have 45" of LCD at 3072x768

I don't have special DVI, or anything like that.

Yeah, now you're thinking I'm a bullshitter, then you realise that's just 3 15" TFTs... hehe

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Apple has their BAD ASS 30" LCD out. Where is an LCD that can come ANYWHERE close to it for the PC? Is Apple that far ahead of the game? What is going on?

Sounds like a nice monitor. The availability of a $3000 item is not enough to convince me that Apple is a better solution than a PC for my computing needs.

 

[Stangs55]

Originally posted by: Mik3y

Originally posted by: Stangs55
Screw Apple...I've compared my Sony SDM-P234 directly next to the 23" apple and the Sony looks better. And no, I'm not an apple troll, I was prepared to buy whichever one was better...everyone who was there agreed--Sony wins. As for the 30"...it'd be nice....real nice.

um, both 23-inchers are the same panels...

Apple contrast ratio - 400:1
Sony contrast ratio - 500:1

I spy a difference!

 

[Kingofcomputer]

Don't you know there are NEC 30", 40", Samsung 40" LCD for PC long time ago?

 

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: Stangs55

Originally posted by: Mik3y

Originally posted by: Stangs55
Screw Apple...I've compared my Sony SDM-P234 directly next to the 23" apple and the Sony looks better. And no, I'm not an apple troll, I was prepared to buy whichever one was better...everyone who was there agreed--Sony wins. As for the 30"...it'd be nice....real nice.

um, both 23-inchers are the same panels...

Apple contrast ratio - 400:1
Sony contrast ratio - 500:1

I spy a difference!

Companies don't follow a standard method to measure this. Some companies like Samsung inflate their numbers. I guess Sony does it too.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Kingofcomputer
Don't you know there are NEC 30", 40", Samsung 40" LCD for PC long time ago?

I'm not talking JUST about size. Like I've said, there are 30"+ LCDs out there that you could hook up to your PC, but the the res sucks ass (1280x768 on a 30"+, no thanks).

 

[Tbirdkid]

first off, my desk wouldnt house a 30 inch lcd... second, if i want a monitor that big... i will just use my tv. 51 inches of pure unadulterated viewing pleasure. I use my monitor for my pc because it fits in my desk and it looks awesome for games. Try running a game on that lcd and you will see so much ghosting and stuff that you wouldnt even want to keep it.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Tbirdkid
first off, my desk wouldnt house a 30 inch lcd... second, if i want a monitor that big... i will just use my tv. 51 inches of pure unadulterated viewing pleasure. I use my monitor for my pc because it fits in my desk and it looks awesome for games. Try running a game on that lcd and you will see so much ghosting and stuff that you wouldnt even want to keep it.

Who the fvck cares if your desk won't support a 30" LCD. What does that have to do with how good the LCD is. What, if your desk only supports a 15" monitor, then 21" LCD/CRTs are crap? All that means is you need a bigger desk. And most likely someone who pays $3000+ for an LCD will have money to buy a better desk.

Secondly, I hate people that brag about their crappy big screen. If it is AT LEAST an HD DLP, LCD or Plasma then cool. It's still low res, but it's pretty much as good as it gets for TVs. But, if it's some sh!tty ass old school rear projection, no viewing angle big screen then please. No need to boast. I'll take a 30" SUPER high res LCD any day. I put quality waaaaaay in front of quantity.

And lastly, have you tried running a game on it? You sound like you speak from experience. Or are you just talking out of your ass?

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Gurck
I dunno, I'm still not seeing the appeal nor do I have a few k to blow on a display... and judging by other responses, I'm far from alone. If you like it so much, stop fellating Apple and just go buy one, and a Mac to go with it.

Dude, if I wanted an Apple, I wouldn't be b!tching about why the PC side doesn't offer it. The cards for the PC that support the display are NOT gaming cards. I don't want to do CAD work or look at a pretty 2D wallpaper. I want some gaming action!

If you don't have a few k to blow on a display, that's your problem. But for those that do, I think the option should be available.

klah has provided you with the information. Dude.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: arsbanned

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Gurck
I dunno, I'm still not seeing the appeal nor do I have a few k to blow on a display... and judging by other responses, I'm far from alone. If you like it so much, stop fellating Apple and just go buy one, and a Mac to go with it.

Dude, if I wanted an Apple, I wouldn't be b!tching about why the PC side doesn't offer it. The cards for the PC that support the display are NOT gaming cards. I don't want to do CAD work or look at a pretty 2D wallpaper. I want some gaming action!

If you don't have a few k to blow on a display, that's your problem. But for those that do, I think the option should be available.

klah has provided you with the information. Dude.

And what information is that? A workstation graphics card? Like I said, not what I'm looking for. Dude.

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: Stangs55
Apple contrast ratio - 400:1
Sony contrast ratio - 500:1

I spy a difference!

I don't know if the Sony is better or not, but the Apple 23" is pretty nice. However, I would be more inclined to believe the Apple rating than ratings from other companies. Apple tends to rate contrast conservatively, but companies like Samsung, etc. do not. I own a Samsung, and it's great, but the contrast specs can't really be taken at face value.

Originally posted by: Tbirdkid
first off, my desk wouldnt house a 30 inch lcd... second, if i want a monitor that big... i will just use my tv. 51 inches of pure unadulterated viewing pleasure. I use my monitor for my pc because it fits in my desk and it looks awesome for games. Try running a game on that lcd and you will see so much ghosting and stuff that you wouldnt even want to keep it.

You'd be stupid to buy a 30" screen for gaming. Anyways it has a 16 ms pixel response time.

And pretty much all TVs suck for use as a computer screen.

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: arsbanned

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Gurck
I dunno, I'm still not seeing the appeal nor do I have a few k to blow on a display... and judging by other responses, I'm far from alone. If you like it so much, stop fellating Apple and just go buy one, and a Mac to go with it.

Dude, if I wanted an Apple, I wouldn't be b!tching about why the PC side doesn't offer it. The cards for the PC that support the display are NOT gaming cards. I don't want to do CAD work or look at a pretty 2D wallpaper. I want some gaming action!

If you don't have a few k to blow on a display, that's your problem. But for those that do, I think the option should be available.

klah has provided you with the information. Dude.

And what information is that? A workstation graphics card? Like I said, not what I'm looking for. Dude.

Well I guess it's just not possible to please you then. Perhaps you should consider counseling. Dude.

 

[Tbirdkid]

as for being a crappy big screen, you need to read my friend, big screens are nothing like they used to be. my screen compares equally to plasma and its not even that. its a rear projection hitachi and it is probably the best looking tv i have ever seen. i could have gotten a plasma, or a dlp. however, try to pay someone to work on that nightmare and you will be paying out your ass.

no, i havent ever played a game on that 30 incher. however, whats the response time on it? 16 mseconds? and i dont care if you have a 6800 ultra. you still are gonna ghost.

LCDs are sh1t anyways. go ahead and buy that piece of junk and watch like 7 pixels go out and stay like that forever. you wont be able to return it. not enough dead. that would drive me crazy much like it would alot of people.

Not to mention, to buy something for over 3 grand only to know its gonna break.... yea. thats an intelligent purchase.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Tbirdkid
as for being a crappy big screen, you need to read my friend, big screens are nothing like they used to be. my screen compares equally to plasma and its not even that. its a rear projection hitachi and it is probably the best looking tv i have ever seen. i could have gotten a plasma, or a dlp. however, try to pay someone to work on that nightmare and you will be paying out your ass.

no, i havent ever played a game on that 30 incher. however, whats the response time on it? 16 mseconds? and i dont care if you have a 6800 ultra. you still are gonna ghost.

LCDs are sh1t anyways. go ahead and buy that piece of junk and watch like 7 pixels go out and stay like that forever. you wont be able to return it. not enough dead. that would drive me crazy much like it would alot of people.

Not to mention, to buy something for over 3 grand only to know its gonna break.... yea. thats an intelligent purchase.

why dont you STFU and stop trolling

1) a 16ms responce time is fine for games, no ghostring at all even on sh!tty graphics cards, the issue is getting a game to support the native resolution of the thing, also you need a workstation graphics card to run it and that wont play games anyway,
2) a computer will look like crap on your TV when doing anything other then say watching a DVD
3) apples displays actually very rarley have dead pixels,
4) your TV cost more then 3 grand didnt it? its gonna break also at some point

IMO CRTS > LCDs but thats because i do alot of photo editing, and CRTS have more accurate color still, however if i had 14000$ to spend i would buy 2 IBM T221s and call it a day

the Apple LCD is great but 30in is overkill, the 23in Display is very nice but other companys have models out that are just as good, the Sony and HP for example

 

[Tbirdkid]

why dont you STFU and stop trolling

Bite my a55

Dont know where you are getting that I am trolling. I am simply stating why i wouldnt own one. 16ms response time on a 30 inch lcd is still not that great. which is why i stay crt.

Its an lcd, its either gonna have dead pixels or you will have some before the 1st year is up. It is a rareity if you dont.

My tv was sub 3k. But only because my cousin is a manager for a CC. and sure its gonna break. but you wont be recharging plasma or nothing of that sort.

The lcd is probably good and all. But for me and my apps, i wouldnt own one.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Tbirdkid
as for being a crappy big screen, you need to read my friend, big screens are nothing like they used to be. my screen compares equally to plasma and its not even that. its a rear projection hitachi and it is probably the best looking tv i have ever seen. i could have gotten a plasma, or a dlp. however, try to pay someone to work on that nightmare and you will be paying out your ass.

no, i havent ever played a game on that 30 incher. however, whats the response time on it? 16 mseconds? and i dont care if you have a 6800 ultra. you still are gonna ghost.

LCDs are sh1t anyways. go ahead and buy that piece of junk and watch like 7 pixels go out and stay like that forever. you wont be able to return it. not enough dead. that would drive me crazy much like it would alot of people.

Not to mention, to buy something for over 3 grand only to know its gonna break.... yea. thats an intelligent purchase.

Don't give me this, "big screens are nothing like they used to be" crap. I like how you are so critical of ghosting when that sh!t screen of yours has a sh!t viewing angle! Oooo, 51" screen that you have to be directly infront of and not be sitting too high or too low to get the best possible picture (which ain't saying much). Please, list the model of your AWESOME big screen. I'd like to tear into it.

And WTF are you talking about ghosting on a 16ms panel? Dell's 2001FPs are 16ms and most people report no ghosting AT ALL. 16ms is damn good for gaming. It could be better, but 16ms is normally pretty damn good, ESPECIALLY for a 30" LCD. And the bullsh!t pixel arguement, LCDs are getting REALLY good. If you buy a quality LCD, you'll usually have ZERO dead pixels. And if you don't have dead pixels when you first get it, you'll have a REALLY good chance you'll have a perfect LCD (pixel wise) for a long time.

Listen, just because your poor ass can't afford it, doesn't mean you need to make bullsh!t up to make yourself feel better.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: arsbanned

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: arsbanned

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Gurck
I dunno, I'm still not seeing the appeal nor do I have a few k to blow on a display... and judging by other responses, I'm far from alone. If you like it so much, stop fellating Apple and just go buy one, and a Mac to go with it.

Dude, if I wanted an Apple, I wouldn't be b!tching about why the PC side doesn't offer it. The cards for the PC that support the display are NOT gaming cards. I don't want to do CAD work or look at a pretty 2D wallpaper. I want some gaming action!

If you don't have a few k to blow on a display, that's your problem. But for those that do, I think the option should be available.

klah has provided you with the information. Dude.

And what information is that? A workstation graphics card? Like I said, not what I'm looking for. Dude.

Well I guess it's just not possible to please you then. Perhaps you should consider counseling. Dude.

Perhaps you just have really low standards and it's very easy to satify you're needs. Maybe you should consider getting a better job. Dude.