Model please? I don't think they sell the model "MY Big Screen" at stores.Originally posted by: Tbirdkid
my big screen, is nothing like you have obviously seen because my viewing angle is way better than any just plain old big screen rear projection. do some research fool. my tv is brand new. and will blow anything you have in your whole house out of the water.
as for lcds... they just plain old suck.
Thanks, but I don't know what I did?Originally posted by: Cat
Nice work, Jack.
Hehe, that's funny. I haven't updated that page in FOREVER.Originally posted by: Tbirdkid
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm...m/ccd/productDetail.do
there it is...
also, tell me what you got... because after looking at ur rigs... you dont have much room to talk.
Ah.Originally posted by: Cat
Oh, I was just laughing at the "MY Big screen" brand comment.
Originally posted by: Kingofcomputer
NEC 40" for PC - $5799.
Samsung 40" for PC - $5599.
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: Kingofcomputer
NEC 40" for PC - $5799.
Samsung 40" for PC - $5599.
NEC 40" for PC - $5799 - max digital res 1280 x 768 = CRAP
Samsung 40" for PC (403T) - $5599 - max digital res 1280x768 with a 23ms response time = CRAP
Now what didn't I know? Big LCDs have been around for awhile. 30" 16ms 2560x1600 res LCDs have not.
Apple's high end setup with the display is with a 6800Ultra dual link card. Last I checked that wasn't a workstation card. The problem comes in on the PC side as they only have workstation cards that support it. So no, it is not just a workstation LCD. It can definitely be a gaming LCD. The Dell 2001FP has the same pixel response time as the Apple. It's funny how alot of those people who bought their Dell LCD are using it for gaming and have reported little to no ghosting. Hmmm. Just because it supports a crazy resolution doesn't automatically make it a workstation LCD. My 21" G500 supports 2048x1536. Does that make it a workstation monitor? I didn't think so. This thing (Apple LCD) is a BAD ASS gaming LCD AND a great workstation LCD.Originally posted by: Naustica
This Apple screen is not a gaming display. The high res basically tells you it's not. This is a workstation LCD. That's why workstation card works with it.
For gaming I rather have something like Panasonic AE700 projector and 6800 Ultra and about 100" of screen in the basement. Sure resolution is lower but you're not going to notice it sitting 14 feet away from the screen. The experience of gaming on this kind of setup will be far superior to gaming experience on the Apple LCD.
The person that owned that LCD said he could play UT2004 at its native resolution really well. And the ONLY reason Doom 3 wouldn't play well at the native res is because his card wasn't built for gaming. If you can play a game a 2560x1600, there is no need for AA. I suspect if a video card can run Doom 3 at 4xAA well (6800Ultra SLI), it should pose no problems playing a game at its native res with no AA. Once video cards come out that support that high res, will the Apple 30" be magically transformed from a workstation LCD to a gaming LCD?Originally posted by: Naustica
The reason I said it's workstation LCD and not gaming display is not because only workstation card works on the PC side. I'm fully aware of the 6800U dual link DVI on the Apple side. Even if 6800U dual link SLI existed on the PC side, I would still say it's poor gaming LCD. The resolution is simply too high to get playable FPS on the native res on most newer games and many games simply don't support that high resolution. If you don't run the games at the native resolution, what's the point of running it non-native and have it look worse than lower res native screen? You will be better off with 1600x1200 or 1920x1200 native screen.
It's nice workstation LCD and good alternative to the pricier IBM T221 but just like the T221, it's not a good gaming LCD.
The 6800 Ultra on the Mac side is arguably a workstation card. (Remember, Macs aren't the best gaming machines. Gaming with a fast G5 can be great, but if you buy a machine strictly for gaming, you're better off with a P4 or something.) No, it's not a Quadro, but I'm told for most people doing 3D it's a good substitute, since Apple controls the drivers. (Most of the differences between a Quadro and the corresponding consumer gaming card have to do with the drivers.) Indeed, some of the 3D stuff at Pixar is done on G5 Macs.Apple's high end setup with the display is with a 6800Ultra dual link card. Last I checked that wasn't a workstation card. The problem comes in on the PC side as they only have workstation cards that support it. So no, it is not just a workstation LCD. It can definitely be a gaming LCD. The Dell 2001FP has the same pixel response time as the Apple. It's funny how alot of those people who bought their Dell LCD are using it for gaming and have reported little to no ghosting. Hmmm. Just because it supports a crazy resolution doesn't automatically make it a workstation LCD. My 21" G500 supports 2048x1536. Does that make it a workstation monitor? I didn't think so. This thing (Apple LCD) is a BAD ASS gaming LCD AND a great workstation LCD.
Actually, at all the Mac geek shows, Apple demos Final Cut Pro and Shake and stuff on G5 Power Macs running dual 30" screens. That is truly awesome. A $400 video card pushing dual 30" screens. :wine:Eug posted a link to the MOST l33t setup I've even seen. That thing is just plain awesome! If he had two 6800Ultra running in SLI (that supported dual link), it would be the most bad ass PC ever (well, under $20,000).
Re-Link for pure AWESOMENESS!
Originally posted by: JackBurton
The person that owned that LCD said he could play UT2004 at its native resolution really well. And the ONLY reason Doom 3 wouldn't play well at the native res is because his card wasn't built for gaming. If you can play a game a 2560x1600, there is no need for AA. I suspect if a video card can run Doom 3 at 4xAA well (6800Ultra SLI), it should pose no problems playing a game at its native res with no AA. Once video cards come out that support that high res, will the Apple 30" be magically transformed from a workstation LCD to a gaming LCD?Originally posted by: Naustica
The reason I said it's workstation LCD and not gaming display is not because only workstation card works on the PC side. I'm fully aware of the 6800U dual link DVI on the Apple side. Even if 6800U dual link SLI existed on the PC side, I would still say it's poor gaming LCD. The resolution is simply too high to get playable FPS on the native res on most newer games and many games simply don't support that high resolution. If you don't run the games at the native resolution, what's the point of running it non-native and have it look worse than lower res native screen? You will be better off with 1600x1200 or 1920x1200 native screen.
It's nice workstation LCD and good alternative to the pricier IBM T221 but just like the T221, it's not a good gaming LCD.
Originally posted by: Naustica
Originally posted by: JackBurton
The person that owned that LCD said he could play UT2004 at its native resolution really well. And the ONLY reason Doom 3 wouldn't play well at the native res is because his card wasn't built for gaming. If you can play a game a 2560x1600, there is no need for AA. I suspect if a video card can run Doom 3 at 4xAA well (6800Ultra SLI), it should pose no problems playing a game at its native res with no AA. Once video cards come out that support that high res, will the Apple 30" be magically transformed from a workstation LCD to a gaming LCD?Originally posted by: Naustica
The reason I said it's workstation LCD and not gaming display is not because only workstation card works on the PC side. I'm fully aware of the 6800U dual link DVI on the Apple side. Even if 6800U dual link SLI existed on the PC side, I would still say it's poor gaming LCD. The resolution is simply too high to get playable FPS on the native res on most newer games and many games simply don't support that high resolution. If you don't run the games at the native resolution, what's the point of running it non-native and have it look worse than lower res native screen? You will be better off with 1600x1200 or 1920x1200 native screen.
It's nice workstation LCD and good alternative to the pricier IBM T221 but just like the T221, it's not a good gaming LCD.
Apple 30" will probably never be a good gaming LCD display. Until the day arrives when pretty much all games support that native res and the videocard is powerful enough to drive it at enough FPS, it will never be . But that day will likely never arrive as newer game engines will always require more power and developers won't bother using high enough textures to make a difference at that res. If by some miracle this day arrives in the future, there will be better technology and better bigger displays available. So it will be pointless to buy this for gaming now when it sucks for gaming or for the future when better panels will be available. As workstation display, this display is beautiful. As a gaming LCD, it's less than optimal.