Apple refreshes iMac with R9 295X?! EDIT: It's the M295X

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Stuka87

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During the presentation I was like "What?!" (Ars left off the M in their live cast). But then once the site was updated it showed it as an M295. Which isn't a bad chip, but thats a LOT of pixels to be pushing.
 

HurleyBird

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Seeing as the non-retina iMacs can sport up to a GTX-780M, I'm thinking that the Retina model is using AMD GPUs for the display controller.
 

ShintaiDK

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Tonga was the only AMD option, since GCN 1.0 and GCN 1.1 cant handle 4K video.

The TDP is 125W?
 
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sontin

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Nvidia lost the Apple contract. Hmmmmm.

No, they are still in the other iMac versions.

BTW: The M290X is slower than the GTX780M. So, for more gpu performance you need to update to the M295X...
 

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Good for AMD. Absolutely fail on Nvidia's part for not getting the win with GM204.

Ironically huge win for the consumers:

1) A single 980 isn't even fast enough for 4K, with most reviewers/users with real world experience recommending 290 CF/ 970 SLI / 980 SLI or faster. 5K is more than 70% of the 4K resolution which would mean essentially 3 high end GPUs. The difference between 970M/980M/295X is immaterial for modern games at 5K - ie., slideshow.

2) iMac is not a gaming platform. You just need solid rendering and 2D/3D video acceleration. AMD delivers that easily with OpenCL acceleration in the entire Adobe Suite.

3) While undoubtedly 970M/980M are more capable gaming cards and they have a more forward looking feature set, it's just mind-blowing that Apple is launching a full PC with a 5K 27" display at $2500 when Dell will charge that much for the display alone. I bet if Apple used NV they would have had to take a hit on their margins or raise the price beyond $2500. This pricing actually makes the iMac look like a bargain for someone who wants a display of this quality.

4) With shortage of GM204 desktop chips, Apple would have likely ran into a major shortage of 5K iMac if they used 970M/980M OR PC gamers would have faced even worse shortages of 970/980 cards. Sounds like a very smart decision by Apple to anticipate that NV would not have been able to meet demand for GM204 across iMac and PC mobile/desktop products.

-> Next year the iMac will be even more impressive with Broadwell/Skylake and Thunderbolt 3.0. I think if I was considering the iMac, and since a lot of users keep them for 3-4 years, I'd wait until that version.

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Apple claims 3.5 TFlops of SP. That likely suggests a 2048 SP Tonga XT @ ~850mhz. I wonder if the full Tonga XT has those rumoured 48 ROPs and/or 384-bit memory bus?

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PC monitor makers need to wake up. If Apple sells a full blown PC with 27" 5K monitor at $2.5K, we should have $1.3K 27" 4K IPS displays already, not those $3K 4K monitors like the Asus one.
 
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Stuka87

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I am thinking the reason they went AMD was for the display controller that is on board GCN 1.1 cards.

That and AMD most likely said they would undercut whatever price nVidia gave.
 

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I am thinking the reason they went AMD was for the display controller that is on board GCN 1.1 cards.

That and AMD most likely said they would undercut whatever price nVidia gave.

Probably the other way around.

Nvidia wanted a premium for something that can be done by someone else cheaper.

Good for AMD, consoles and now Apple.
 

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Ironically huge win for the consumers:

1) A single 980 isn't even fast enough for 4K, with most reviewers/users with real world experience recommending 290 CF/ 970 SLI / 980 SLI or faster. 5K is more than 70% of the 4K resolution which would mean essentially 3 high end GPUs. The difference between 970M/980M/295X is immaterial for modern games at 5K - ie., slideshow.

The R9 290M is slightly WEAKER than the 780m. It is significantly weaker than the 880m while the 980m is about 40-50% faster.

I don't know how fast the 295M is but it needs to be significantly faster to get close to the 980m

2) iMac is not a gaming platform. You just need solid rendering and 2D/3D video acceleration. AMD delivers that easily with OpenCL acceleration in the entire Adobe Suite.

The 980 is generally faster than the R9 290X in Compute. OpenCL appears to be slightly better to slightly under. On a 100W mobile chips the two should perform similarly. You do lose CUDA however.

3) While undoubtedly 970M/980M are more capable gaming cards and they have a more forward looking feature set, it's just mind-blowing that Apple is launching a full PC with a 5K 27" display at $2500 when Dell will charge that much for the display alone. I bet if Apple used NV they would have had to take a hit on their margins or raise the price beyond $2500. This pricing actually makes the iMac look like a bargain for someone who wants a display of this quality.

Its not the same display nor is it the same quality but equivalent displays will be available shortly and you can always buy something like this

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=ca&cs=cadhs1&l=en&sku=860-BBCD

Its expensive sure but you don't have to throw it out when you upgrade the computer.

4) With shortage of GM204 desktop chips, Apple would have likely ran into a major shortage of 5K iMac if they used 970M/980M OR PC gamers would have faced even worse shortages of 970/980 cards. Sounds like a very smart decision by Apple to anticipate that NV would not have been able to meet demand for GM204 across iMac and PC mobile/desktop products.

PC monitor makers need to wake up. If Apple sells a full blown PC with 27" 5K monitor at $2.5K, we should have $1.3K 27" 4K IPS displays already, not those $3K 4K monitors like the Asus one.

See link.

Note that GM 204 is significantly more powerful in OpenCL applications

Also note that apple is under no rush to upgrade its products. How long has the mini gone without an upgrade? If they wanted to wait they could easily wait, its not like the products are selling poorly.
 

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Apple just gave Dell the big FU because the dell 5K monitor cost the same as this IMac lol
 

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The R9 290M is slightly WEAKER than the 780m. It is significantly weaker than the 880m while the 980m is about 40-50% faster.

I don't know how fast the 295M is but it needs to be significantly faster to get close to the 980m

The M9 295x will be just about as fast as GTX 880M for gaming. Apple has gone with AMD because of pricing. Nvidia would have wanted a premium for GTX 980M which given the aggressive pricing of the 27 inch iMac would not have been possible. Also GM204 is in very high demand in both desktop and notebook. So Apple must have anticipated supply issues too. AMD's M295X OpenCL compute performance and gaming performance should be quite good and the price must have been right for Apple. AMD can do with any sales right now as they are getting hammered by Intel and Nvidia.
 
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