Apple removes all bitcoin and other coin apps from its store

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vbuggy

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http://consumerist.com/2014/02/06/apple-purges-last-bitcoin-wallet-from-its-app-store/

No more bitcoin wallets in Apple's app store. The bitcoin people see it as Apple doesn't want competition with its currency. (I find that laughable, since Apple uses currency based on the US dollar.) I think it's more a matter of Apple not wanting any part of when that market crashes.

I can't help but think it's mainly that they can't monetise it yet into Store sales, yet there's a transaction taking place there and this then destabilises the way that the Store deals with in-app purchases. And the regs are unclear as to whether Apple can really insist in taking it's 30% cut (or whatever it is, which of course the Bitcoin contingent will froth at the mouth on). Ergo, gray area, nuke it.
 
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Rakehellion

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I can't help but think it's mainly that they can't monetise it yet into Store sales

90% of apps in the store are free and they still have banking at credit card apps available for download, so that conspiracy is debunked.
 

vbuggy

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90% of apps in the store are free and they still have banking at credit card apps available for download, so that conspiracy is debunked.

You may be too wrapped up in your own argument to read further. Something that could be said in general perhaps.
 

Arkaign

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Oct 27, 2006
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Bitcoin is a gigantic game of musical chairs. There will be many winners, those that aren't holding the bag when it comes tumbling down. And there will be many, many losers, those who bought in big at the wrong time, or held too long.

The smartest are those who continually stream in and out of it, never too big at once, and who transfer that wealth out of the volatility into tangible assets.

If Bitcoin still exists in 5 years I'll be somewhat astonished.

The facts of the issue at hand :

(A)- The governments of the world CRAVE power and control.
(B)- This control comes in legal and financial absolutism.
(C)- Bitcoin and similar virtual currencies are outside of the regulatory and taxation systems operated by the most powerful governments on earth.

this leads to

(D)- Bitcoin is crushed by regulation and government controls. All they have to do is write and pass a law that says that sending or receiving a digital currency not regulated by the federal government is a felony punishable by prison time and fines, and boom : it's reduced to irrelevance.

The best anyone can hope for is that Bitcoin et al are co-opted by the government rather than being outright crushed.

People tend to forget that the G-men *DO* take exceedingly strong steps towards eliminating challenges to central authoritarian control, ESPECIALLY when it comes to financial instruments. You either buy/co-opt them (Big Banks), or get kicked to the curb.

I'll give you another hint :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber_Intelligence_Sharing_and_Protection_Act

Look at the voting numbers on this thing. Democrats were split on CISPA support, but Republicans almost universally support it. If you understand what CISPA means in terms of aligning the government with corporate interests, one can see the writing on the wall : this WILL pass, and similar legislation when the Republicans next gain control of the Senate. Also relevant, SOPA was a Republican initiative, so was the Patriot Act series, yadda yadda.

So approximately 12-24 months at the longest after the next Republican takeover, say sayonara to the *coins.
 

Doppel

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I cherish and I do mean cherish the times ahead of us when the bitcoin fanatics realize that they were wrong and that, yeah, really, bitcoin was a fad.
 

rockyct

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I cherish and I do mean cherish the times ahead of us when the bitcoin fanatics realize that they were wrong and that, yeah, really, bitcoin was a fad.

I honestly can see its purpose and a possibility of it working as a currency. The issue right now is just that $100 of bitcoin today may be worth $120 or $80 tomorrow, and $1000 or $5 a year from now. With so many people speculating or trying to play the market, it just doesn't have the stability of a major currency. I do think that the time to play the bitcoin market is over so joining now would probably be a mistake. Of course, I thought it was dead when it went from something like $20/coin to $3/coin so I was quite wrong then.
 

lxskllr

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Nov 30, 2004
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I cherish and I do mean cherish the times ahead of us when the bitcoin fanatics realize that they were wrong and that, yeah, really, bitcoin was a fad.

Everything's a fad until it isn't. All the geniuses can retroactively look at history, and say "told you it was a fad", while silently forgetting everything that wasn't a fad.

Apple hates freedom, and it's no surprise they'd remove apps that allow the personal freedom of their serfs.
 

UglyCasanova

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Mar 25, 2001
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because the US dollar has never been used for that. . .

pyramid scheme ? i bought my first bitcoins this week. . . paid $25 for .024

I don't get it. They are "mined", ok. And then you are able to buy fractions of one. Where are they stored, and if they are so anonymous how are they stored there? What prevents people from just hacking the code so to speak and making their own without mining?
 

ImpulsE69

Lifer
Jan 8, 2010
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I agree with the Apple wanting control thing. That's what they've always done. I'm actually surprised they accepted Bitcoin at all. I also think Bitcoin is WAY too volatile to try to bank on any kind of profit from them.
 

Lithium381

Lifer
May 12, 2001
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I don't get it. They are "mined", ok. And then you are able to buy fractions of one. Where are they stored, and if they are so anonymous how are they stored there? What prevents people from just hacking the code so to speak and making their own without mining?

it's math and cryptographic functions of sorts, i don't 100% understand it myself but thought it'd be interesting to jump in..
 

Lithium381

Lifer
May 12, 2001
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Bitcoin is a gigantic game of musical chairs. There will be many winners, those that aren't holding the bag when it comes tumbling down. And there will be many, many losers, those who bought in big at the wrong time, or held too long.

The smartest are those who continually stream in and out of it, never too big at once, and who transfer that wealth out of the volatility into tangible assets.

If Bitcoin still exists in 5 years I'll be somewhat astonished.

The facts of the issue at hand :

(A)- The governments of the world CRAVE power and control.
(B)- This control comes in legal and financial absolutism.
(C)- Bitcoin and similar virtual currencies are outside of the regulatory and taxation systems operated by the most powerful governments on earth.

this leads to

(D)- Bitcoin is crushed by regulation and government controls. All they have to do is write and pass a law that says that sending or receiving a digital currency not regulated by the federal government is a felony punishable by prison time and fines, and boom : it's reduced to irrelevance.

The best anyone can hope for is that Bitcoin et al are co-opted by the government rather than being outright crushed.

People tend to forget that the G-men *DO* take exceedingly strong steps towards eliminating challenges to central authoritarian control, ESPECIALLY when it comes to financial instruments. You either buy/co-opt them (Big Banks), or get kicked to the curb.

I'll give you another hint :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber_Intelligence_Sharing_and_Protection_Act

Look at the voting numbers on this thing. Democrats were split on CISPA support, but Republicans almost universally support it. If you understand what CISPA means in terms of aligning the government with corporate interests, one can see the writing on the wall : this WILL pass, and similar legislation when the Republicans next gain control of the Senate. Also relevant, SOPA was a Republican initiative, so was the Patriot Act series, yadda yadda.

So approximately 12-24 months at the longest after the next Republican takeover, say sayonara to the *coins.

Yep, government can't stand not being in control. . .
 

ultimatebob

Lifer
Jul 1, 2001
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Yeah, this makes perfect sense. Apple doesn't want any competition from their own micropayment system where ever possible... especially one that competes with their friends in the credit card industry.

I would be more worried the fallout from countries like Russia banning Bitcoin. The timing of the Russia Bitcoin ban ruling is especially painful, considering that all eyes are on Russia right now due to the winter Olympics.
 
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Rakehellion

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Jan 15, 2013
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Everything's a fad until it isn't. All the geniuses can retroactively look at history, and say "told you it was a fad", while silently forgetting everything that wasn't a fad.

But more often than not it's just a fad.
 

Crusty

Lifer
Sep 30, 2001
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They got rid of it because they don't want to be associated with what is mostly a pyramid scheme and something used for drug dealing and money laundering. It's not good for their image.

You have no clue what you are talking about.

The amount of USD that is used in drug trafficking and money laundering is staggeringly more than the amount of BTC that isused for the same purposes.

The amount of USD involved in money laundering is estimated to be between $800,000,000,000 and $2,000,000,000,000 globally.

The entire market cap of BTC is less than $20,000,000,000.

So even if you assume that everyone who owns and uses BTC is participating in money laundering, you barely touch 1% of the amount of USD used in money laundering.
 
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Exophase

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I don't think Apple is doing this to single out Bitcoin, I think they're against anything that resembles an in-app transaction that doesn't go through their system. Which makes sense, since they don't get their 30% cut that way.
 

Lithium381

Lifer
May 12, 2001
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You have no clue what you are talking about.

The amount of USD that is used in drug trafficking and money laundering is staggeringly more than the amount of BTC that isused for the same purposes.

The amount of USD involved in money laundering is estimated to be between $800,000,000,000 and $2,000,000,000,000 globally.

The entire market cap of BTC is less than $20,000,000,000.

So even if you assume that everyone who owns and uses BTC is participating in money laundering, you barely touch 1% of the amount of USD used in money laundering.

but terrorists!
 

Crusty

Lifer
Sep 30, 2001
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I don't get it. They are "mined", ok. And then you are able to buy fractions of one. Where are they stored, and if they are so anonymous how are they stored there? What prevents people from just hacking the code so to speak and making their own without mining?

The entire purpose of mining in the bitcoin protocol is to maintain what is called the blockchain.

The blockchain is comprised of a series of data blocks that represent all of the transactions within the bitcoin network and mining is what creates these data blocks. You can follow the blockchain from the Genesis block(the very first one created) and you can track where each and every bitcoin has gone. It is a secure, complete and distributed transaction ledger.

All of the mining in the bitcoin network is distributed. That is to say that in order to fool the bitcoin network into accepting an invalid piece of data or a block that violates the bitcoin protocol(hacking the code as you say) you must control at least 50% of the computing power involved in mining.

The bitcoin network is currently approaching 20,000 Terahashes/s of computing. According to bitcoin charts that's equivalent to ~250,000 PetaFLOPS.

To put that number in perspective, the worlds fastest super computers are still only measured in 10's of thousands of TeraFLOPS. So the amount of computing power behind securing the blockchain is an order of magnitude more than all of the top supercomputers combined.
 

zerocool84

Lifer
Nov 11, 2004
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No, you misunderstood me. I was laughing at the people who think it's a conspiracy that Apple is in on to squash bitcoin.

Meh, if Apple doesn't like it they can simply remove it from their app store, they do it all the time.
 
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